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BlueWI

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239. I've been a member since about 2003.

Wed Mar 1, 2017, 09:34 PM

Mar 2017

Changed names after the hack.

The substantive point I'm making is to respect differences rather than harp on divisions. Our Revolution and Indivisible are two strategies with a similar outcome. If we respect both camps, we build coalitions and win elections. The more slights, straw men, and innuendo, the fewer wins and the more Republican majority hell. Despite the Sanders majority that emerged during the primary season on DU, Dem-leaning independents are a constant target of passive aggression on this site (quite often by the same high volume posters) in addition to dismissal by the national party, as we've seen repeatedly with the over the top calling out of Jill Stein, Bernie Sanders, Ralph Nader, everyone being blamed for losses but the people in charge of repeatedly underwhelming Dem campaigns. So I occasionally speak up on that point. Don't alienate, ignore, or insult your likely voters and it can only help.

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It seems to me that INDIVISIBLE is much more powerful than OUR REVOLUTION [View all] bravenak Feb 2017 OP

a-yup. Very well organized. Grassroots. Regular people fighting and leading. boston bean Feb 2017 #1

Yes!! To me that matters more than who is leading the group bravenak Feb 2017 #2

Yes indeed! To everything you just said, brave. calimary Feb 2017 #123

I was asked to be on the planning committee for my county's Indivisible group Gothmog Feb 2017 #188

Please do. I want to form a group here and need help bravenak Feb 2017 #189

I know Texas law Gothmog Feb 2017 #191

Thank you, Alaska is weird since we don't actually have law schools and stuff bravenak Feb 2017 #192

Here is a link to INDIVIDIBLE for those looking to link up locally and download the guide! Maru Kitteh Feb 2017 #180

YES !!! This should be a sticky, there are way more people who didn't vote that are available than.. uponit7771 Feb 2017 #3

I know quite a few non voters who regret their decision bravenak Feb 2017 #6

"One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." greatauntoftriplets Feb 2017 #4

Yes. That's what we want bravenak Feb 2017 #10

To me, that's what this nation is all about. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2017 #47

To me too bravenak Feb 2017 #50

The Perfect line malaise Feb 2017 #22

I said this every day of grade and high school (not college). greatauntoftriplets Feb 2017 #48

The belief in that line is the reason for HOPE malaise Feb 2017 #96

I hope so. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2017 #107

If you had included Our Revolution types or Bernie-supporters in your list aikoaiko Feb 2017 #5

I am stating MY PREFERENCE of style bravenak Feb 2017 #8

My point is you marginalized a group and group members who aikoaiko Feb 2017 #24

No i did not. I said one group is better. bravenak Feb 2017 #25

I hope Indivisible continues to welcome Bernie-supporters and Our Revolution members aikoaiko Feb 2017 #38

In my borough group JustAnotherGen Feb 2017 #58

You just gave a perfect example of how to get shit done. bravenak Feb 2017 #63

Glad to hear it. I know that Bernie supporters are part of the solution. aikoaiko Feb 2017 #67

The caveat to that JustAnotherGen Feb 2017 #217

+1000 sheshe2 Feb 2017 #228

This is the way to do it! mcar Feb 2017 #88

This is the way to go... oldcynic Feb 2017 #124

We have former Bernie supporters murielm99 Feb 2017 #57

I'm glad they are there. I know they are there. aikoaiko Feb 2017 #65

We often find evidence of what we want to find LanternWaste Feb 2017 #229

If anything, Berniacs seem to be spoiling for a fight. Capn Sunshine Feb 2017 #98

We shouldn't be labelling ourselves as supporters of this or that mcar Feb 2017 #73

But we are not all Democrats. aikoaiko Feb 2017 #83

We are stronger together mcar Feb 2017 #86

You know I have always supported you. murielm99 Feb 2017 #111

My point exactly mcar Feb 2017 #115

I would argue it is. I'm a 2017 Bernie supporter aikoaiko Feb 2017 #184

"...moderate Republicans" Ligyron Feb 2017 #143

Here we go again NastyRiffraff Feb 2017 #79

Thank you for noticing my consistency. Words matter, though. aikoaiko Feb 2017 #84

I'm pretty sure she doesn't care NastyRiffraff Feb 2017 #93

I did not mention EITHER candidate. On purpose. Because it's not about the candidate. It's us. bravenak Feb 2017 #159

Right. aikoaiko Feb 2017 #183

You'll supply us with objective evidence to support your allegation, yes? LanternWaste Feb 2017 #230

I wrote an affirmative declaration as a response to her statement. aikoaiko Feb 2017 #238

Everyone was included by the OP. You saw groups you Blue_true Feb 2017 #119

I am helping both Community Action Network group and the Invisible group in my county Gothmog Feb 2017 #190

Do you not like the word manifesto? Which manifesto was alluded to? aikoaiko Feb 2017 #193

In Texas, this word is not a good way to win voters Gothmog Feb 2017 #196

Very active, focused on getting new people into the process and training them to run for office. JudyM Feb 2017 #203

These groups work together. milestogo Feb 2017 #7

I prefer Indivisible bravenak Feb 2017 #9

It's not an either/or choice meadowlander Feb 2017 #27

I see nothing wrong with primarying a Dem with a Dem. Else You Are Mad Feb 2017 #29

At a time when we need more Dems, I think it's a bad idea to give repubs a chance to steal a seat bravenak Feb 2017 #36

Valid point. Else You Are Mad Feb 2017 #43

I can see that, but only primary if the new person can win bravenak Feb 2017 #51

Agreed. Else You Are Mad Feb 2017 #60

Good idea. Experience in local politics is a good indicator of future success. bravenak Feb 2017 #62

only primary someone in a safe Democratic seat... say like Tulsi Gabbard OKNancy Feb 2017 #112

Oh hell yeah bravenak Feb 2017 #132

Not now mcar Feb 2017 #95

No thanks to democracy? StubbornThings Feb 2017 #128

Invalid response bravenak Feb 2017 #130

You said it. Not me. StubbornThings Feb 2017 #131

Why are you asking why? bravenak Feb 2017 #133

Because I'm wondering why you're against democracy? StubbornThings Feb 2017 #135

How is my suggesting peopke join indivisible being against democracy? bravenak Feb 2017 #138

"I saw some of the our revolution types threatening to primary dems. No thanks." StubbornThings Feb 2017 #141

Why am I not allowed to be against primarying my own allies? bravenak Feb 2017 #144

I didn't say you weren't allowed to be against democracy. StubbornThings Feb 2017 #153

I'm against fighitng my allies while the new Hitler is tossing my relatives into boxcars bravenak Feb 2017 #157

I heard you the first three or four times you said it. nt StubbornThings Feb 2017 #158

Yet, here you remain. bravenak Feb 2017 #160

LOL! Welcome to DU. Who sent you? And why do you hate puppies? WTF! Squinch Feb 2017 #179

Agreed. As I stated in post 11, I do not see competition. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #12

+1 n/t CousinIT Feb 2017 #206

There are a few Indivisible groups in my area. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #11

Good! bravenak Feb 2017 #20

The people fighting back at town halls probably won't join groups leftstreet Feb 2017 #13

Many of them are in groups bravenak Feb 2017 #15

Yes, they are. That is how many I know became more involved. n/t susanna Feb 2017 #213

Yes. We should welcome that energy, people are responding to us bravenak Feb 2017 #214

I completely agree. n/t susanna Feb 2017 #215

This should have 500 recs malaise Feb 2017 #14

Thank you :) bravenak Feb 2017 #17

One group is run by Jeff Weaver. The other isn't. SaschaHM Feb 2017 #16

Bingo!!!! bravenak Feb 2017 #18

So you only want unity if Bernie or anyone associated with him has nothing to do with it? MelissaB Feb 2017 #23

I'd take bernie over Weaver ANY DAY bravenak Feb 2017 #28

That's a completly different reason than what you said a long time ago MelissaB Feb 2017 #41

I said a long time ago that it was his fans not him that turned me off bravenak Feb 2017 #46

Here's a weaver tweet after Tom won.. Cha Feb 2017 #34

I cannot believe he is still up to that same shit bravenak Feb 2017 #39

Fucking insulting shit.. he drives everyone away who's Cha Feb 2017 #44

Some people never learn mcar Feb 2017 #100

he doesn't want to.. his personaity is to insult Cha Feb 2017 #103

Did you see the nasty statement he put out about Perez winning? SaschaHM Feb 2017 #64

That's the shit right there that turns me the hell off bravenak Feb 2017 #66

I was at an Indivisible meeting Wednesday night with a large turnout Gothmog Feb 2017 #19

It's so much more than the Tea Party ever was bravenak Feb 2017 #30

It was amazing Gothmog Feb 2017 #186

I think this is a sign of good thing to come if we fight bravenak Feb 2017 #187

"Don't let purity politics destroy this chance we have to build up momentum..." MelissaB Feb 2017 #21

I like it. Whatever works. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2017 #26

I love it! Thanks brave! Cha Feb 2017 #31

I am so damn excited bravenak Feb 2017 #32

Locally, yes. Nationally, I disagree... Wounded Bear Feb 2017 #33

I agree with you mostly bravenak Feb 2017 #49

At least that group knows who the real enemy is... and it's not us nini Feb 2017 #35

That's amazing to me. bravenak Feb 2017 #56

seriously.. these people who used to tire of my political rants finally are as pissed as I am nini Feb 2017 #199

I love it. Even my republican cousin changed his registration bravenak Feb 2017 #200

Can't they work together? Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #37

Of course they can work together. Indivisible means just that, indivisible. I love it bravenak Feb 2017 #52

If I follow your logic... Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #68

Where did I say that or anything like that? bravenak Feb 2017 #72

Ok,then, your post was a bit cryptic... Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #77

I said join a group like indivisiblE bravenak Feb 2017 #89

I'm in one and I love it LeftInTX Feb 2017 #40

Awesome!!! bravenak Feb 2017 #54

I will not stand for any attempt to hijack the Democratic Party. nt oasis Feb 2017 #42

Too late, it was hijacked a while back randr Feb 2017 #45

Me neither bravenak Feb 2017 #55

IMHO, it is not about "hijacking" anything... Wounded Bear Feb 2017 #59

I'm willing to have patience with our existing leadership. I trust oasis Feb 2017 #109

What is the vision? oldcynic Feb 2017 #168

You are so right! n/t murielm99 Feb 2017 #53

Totally agree. Spot on as usual, bravenak. SunSeeker Feb 2017 #61

I like it too mcar Feb 2017 #69

Me too. I see these groups as more impactful bravenak Feb 2017 #76

Ironic that this OP is actually divisive. KPN Feb 2017 #70

How is it divisive? bravenak Feb 2017 #75

It's pretty clear I think. KPN Feb 2017 #81

I have no clue what you mean bravenak Feb 2017 #82

I think you do ... you are an intelligent person from what I've seen. KPN Feb 2017 #85

It's only divisive if people refuse to drop their grudges and move into the nos bravenak Feb 2017 #92

And move into the "nos"? Not sure what that means. KPN Feb 2017 #101

But what you are doing is fine? bravenak Feb 2017 #127

Really? KPN Feb 2017 #210

Not everything is about him bravenak Feb 2017 #212

No it's not. NurseJackie Feb 2017 #78

Yes! You are absolutely correct. Even their NAME is better. "Indivisible" suggests unity, while ... NurseJackie Feb 2017 #71

That's it, exactly! bravenak Feb 2017 #74

Is Indivisible even a group? It strikes me way more as a political strategy, which bullwinkle428 Feb 2017 #80

+1000000 MarvinGardens Feb 2017 #87

Both play an.... zentrum Feb 2017 #90

We are not going gentle into that goodnight bravenak Feb 2017 #154

We have the same goals zentrum Feb 2017 #161

+1000, Bravenak. Hortensis Feb 2017 #91

I joined the indivisible group LittleGirl Feb 2017 #94

See? That's how we win!! Goid on you guy, I'm down to pull moderates to our side bravenak Feb 2017 #151

Yep, normal people that LittleGirl Feb 2017 #155

It's really up to us gwheezie Feb 2017 #97

Thank you guys for that. That was the reason that Ronan guy was not my style. bravenak Feb 2017 #149

There's an Indivisible group in my red county! mcar Feb 2017 #99

Is t it two if we include you? ;-). Grow that group please! bettyellen Feb 2017 #104

Oh I plan to mcar Feb 2017 #106

I hope you join him soon!! Two is better than one! bravenak Feb 2017 #146

Well said Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2017 #102

It has been so stressful bravenak Feb 2017 #165

KnR Hekate Feb 2017 #105

I signed up to the Tulsa group just last week OKNancy Feb 2017 #108

I signed up too. Things move slower here but we still work hard. bravenak Feb 2017 #145

indivisible is an umbrella group MyMission Feb 2017 #110

That's why I said find a group and join. bravenak Feb 2017 #142

K&R smirkymonkey Feb 2017 #113

I support both and we need both (nt) bekkilyn Feb 2017 #114

I'm a member of 2 Indivisible groups in Texas. It feels empowering cry baby Feb 2017 #116

I know it is great! LeftInTX Feb 2017 #125

K&R Starry Messenger Feb 2017 #117

YES LETS COMPETE WITH ONE ANOTHER! retrowire Feb 2017 #118

You move on. Indivisible did not exist until Trump. This op is about now. Maybe it's you who need bravenak Feb 2017 #140

The first has a positive connotation, the second a negative connotation. One implies.... George II Feb 2017 #120

One seems to imply a violent struggle. I don't want that. I want unity. bravenak Feb 2017 #136

OK .. ananda Feb 2017 #121

Why am I not allowed to prefer one over another? And to say so? bravenak Feb 2017 #139

Flamebait OPs like this BlueWI Feb 2017 #122

My stating my preference is not flamebait bravenak Feb 2017 #137

Your preference has been stated repeatedly in many forums BlueWI Feb 2017 #148

This is strategy. bravenak Feb 2017 #150

LISTEN TO YOURSELVES oldcynic Feb 2017 #147

This thread is Democracy with very little action. BlueWI Feb 2017 #162

This op is a CALL TO ACTION bravenak Feb 2017 #166

Is that what you joined to say? Seems odd. Squinch Feb 2017 #182

I've been a member since about 2003. BlueWI Mar 2017 #239

Hi BlueWI DesertRat Mar 2017 #240

Divisive thread. Buddyblazon Feb 2017 #126

Way to flame out. nt JTFrog Feb 2017 #129

Move on then bravenak Feb 2017 #134

Agree Completely -nt Piasladic Feb 2017 #152

as long as its democratic & not republican lite. pansypoo53219 Feb 2017 #156

You don't seem to know what Indivisible is BainsBane Feb 2017 #173

I like the idea of unity as well Kimchijeon Feb 2017 #163

They have whole sites dedicated to watching us fight. bravenak Feb 2017 #167

I prefer Indivisible myself. leftofcool Feb 2017 #164

It's more impactful, it has bigger goals, imo, and a better chance of working bravenak Feb 2017 #171

JMHO, but the Indivisible Guide is helpful to ANY resistance against the GOP and Cheeto-in-Charge. moriah Feb 2017 #169

I think so too, I listened to the podcast as soon as it came out. Brilliant. bravenak Feb 2017 #170

All hands on deck BainsBane Feb 2017 #172

I just have my preference bravenak Feb 2017 #174

Oh, I have mine as well BainsBane Feb 2017 #175

Just seeing OFA typed out make me miss Obama. bravenak Feb 2017 #177

Always right on the money, Bravenak. nikibatts Feb 2017 #176

Right? That word is unifying bravenak Feb 2017 #178

Both have value. Too many Dems have yet to admit why they have lost Congress and states or yurbud Feb 2017 #181

No way could a far left progressive win my state bravenak Feb 2017 #185

it depends on how you define "far left" in health care debate, some blue dogs were to right of yurbud Feb 2017 #218

That will not win my gun toting neighbors over. bravenak Feb 2017 #222

if it's a rural area, they can keep their guns. If they are farmers, getting Monsanto and the like yurbud Feb 2017 #223

It's alaska. bravenak Feb 2017 #226

What Democratic policies would appeal to them? Which industry do they work in? yurbud Feb 2017 #233

Legalized weed was one. We did pass a minimum wage hike tied to inflation. bravenak Feb 2017 #234

your neighbor likes ever increasing private insurance premiums? or is he already on Medicare? yurbud Feb 2017 #224

Non union electrician. Paid well, is mad right now because our state is pondering an income tax. bravenak Feb 2017 #225

that's the classic red state paradox. Obamacare missed a chance to fix that letting states NOT yurbud Feb 2017 #232

I think it was a court decision that allowed that bravenak Feb 2017 #235

Indivisible bdamomma Feb 2017 #194

They are running so scared of us now bravenak Feb 2017 #195

Great!! bdamomma Feb 2017 #201

Yes. I keep bringing up how Trump wants to let Putin control us. bravenak Feb 2017 #202

It's badass ismnotwasm Feb 2017 #197

I think so too, i'm impressed bravenak Feb 2017 #198

The Indivisible group leaders I know are literally the PTO moms from my kid's school. wildeyed Feb 2017 #204

Yep, that's how folks in my community feel. bravenak Feb 2017 #208

Hell is other people. wildeyed Feb 2017 #209

Agreed. bravenak Feb 2017 #216

Bernie is on our side and & I see no need to pit one against the other. We need BOTH. CousinIT Feb 2017 #205

Then, he can temper his passion with the spirit of brotherhood bravenak Feb 2017 #207

I gravitated to Indivisible myself. susanna Feb 2017 #211

This was posted on another thread. DURHAM D Feb 2017 #219

That's Truth bravenak Feb 2017 #221

2018 & 2020 should prove interesting... disillusioned73 Feb 2017 #220

Far more welcoming, that's for sure. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2017 #227

KnR! sheshe2 Feb 2017 #231

The problem I have with Indivisible is that it's too diffuse... brooklynite Feb 2017 #236

I hope that's not the case bravenak Feb 2017 #237