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Warren DeMontague

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183. Here's my take, and I am fully aware that my opinions are not some universal truth any more than

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 04:14 AM

Mar 2017

anyone else's--

Something like "slut" or "skank"-- yeah, there's an implication of "sex is bad (if you're a woman) and you as a woman are bad for having it"... and as others rightly note, there's not such a comprable set of insults on the male side. So I totally agree that it's an inherently sexist insult, as opposed to merely an insult with a gendered component.. Patriarchy in action or whatever you want to call it.

Shaming women for having consenting adult sex is just as much bullshit as it is for men. No argument from me, there. And I could give a shit, for instance, that Melania has nude pics out there. Don't care, am not in a froth of outrage over it, although it's always worth pointing the hypocrisy angle, since the GOP would lose their shit if it was someone on our side... hell, they had tantrums over Michelle Obama's bare shoulders..

...I digress. I still think "bitch" is not the same thing, I am of the opinion it's analogous to "dick" or "prick"- an insult with a gendered component but not an insult on the entire gender or one that perpetuates sexist double standards.

JMO.

But as I pointed out, some folks have been fighting over that particular word for, what, 13 years now? So you kind of wandered into a long-simmering DU minefield, unawares.

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Calling a woman a skank, tramp, bitch, whore, stripper is still misogyny [View all] B2G Mar 2017 OP

If We're Talking Kellyanne. . . ProfessorGAC Mar 2017 #1

I never know if the subject is Kellyann or Melania n/t leftstreet Mar 2017 #2

I was wondering the same thing. NurseJackie Mar 2017 #21

The point is that it doesn't matter who the target is. n/t Ms. Toad Mar 2017 #189

With the enemy....anything goes. ileus Mar 2017 #3

Nope- misogyny is bigotry and against the TOS. We had enough this past year, thanks. bettyellen Mar 2017 #13

So it's fine to call Colin Powell the n word then? meadowlander Mar 2017 #15

Not with me it doesn't. Whenever words that have misogynistic MineralMan Mar 2017 #34

Agreed. The only name any of them need to be called are liar and fascist, these are correct. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #152

Right? LOL Lib Mar 2017 #43

The words in the OP are not making fun of her looks. Demit Mar 2017 #54

She is female. That's all it is. For all her faults liquid diamond Mar 2017 #61

"possesing a vagina prohibits you from calling her certain names regardless of how accurate" JTFrog Mar 2017 #106

Read my previous posts. liquid diamond Mar 2017 #111

Last year, some here considered Hillary "the enemy," and called her the C-word. Nuh-uh. Hekate Mar 2017 #168

Pay attention. liquid diamond Mar 2017 #169

"It's OK to slut shame women who are actually sluts" meadowlander Mar 2017 #177

That double standard exists because women can get sex much more easily than a man can. liquid diamond Mar 2017 #181

Um, no. meadowlander Mar 2017 #182

No one said don't attack her. TDale313 Mar 2017 #66

Cheeto chose to be orange OriginalGeek Mar 2017 #85

Ehh I hear all of you. LOL Lib Mar 2017 #97

It's not about her. That's the point. TDale313 Mar 2017 #172

Post removed Post removed Mar 2017 #65

No. Language that derives its power from slut shaming makes our culture more misogynistic. femmedem Mar 2017 #90

How about if it's a Republican who is gay? You feel OK about pulling out Squinch Mar 2017 #99

If you can't come up with a better reason to dislike someone of the opposing political persuation, hughee99 Mar 2017 #190

I hope you don't cut your lip shaving. That would be bad. LanternWaste Mar 2017 #191

100% agreed Caliman73 Mar 2017 #4

Of course it is - but it seems much more fun to pile on people we don't like, even women. jmg257 Mar 2017 #5

I am a woman, and jrthin Mar 2017 #6

+1 coco22 Mar 2017 #7

I tend to agree. hamsterjill Mar 2017 #10

Under what circumstances is it appropriate to call a woman a skank or a tramp? meadowlander Mar 2017 #22

How nice you have arrived to defend GOP women... Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #49

meadowlander is defending all women Demit Mar 2017 #62

Oh please...after the abuse heaped on the Obama's I couldn't give a damn. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #122

ah, there it is. "that person is an asshole, therefore i have every right to be an asshole too" frankieallen Mar 2017 #131

Wasting your time...I personally don't say some of the stuff I see. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #165

It's not a waste of time for two reasons. meadowlander Mar 2017 #184

I called Kelly Ann trashy and she is. LenaBaby61 Mar 2017 #107

Post removed Post removed Mar 2017 #55

Lol, what would you call a husband who would sleep with a skank, then? Demit Mar 2017 #68

a dick? mnhtnbb Mar 2017 #88

Dick, prick, dickhead, wanker, tosser, jerk-off ... 11 Bravo Mar 2017 #92

You should look up the last three words for the, um, solitary aspect of their meanings. Demit Mar 2017 #100

You asked for examples. I provided them. Please don't pretend ... 11 Bravo Mar 2017 #108

What? I meant that the 3 last words all mean masturbation, and thus wouldn't Demit Mar 2017 #116

Three questions: Are the terms almost exclusively applied to males? 11 Bravo Mar 2017 #124

None of those is making a moral judgment on the man- they equal "jerk" .... bettyellen Mar 2017 #136

Go back, read the first post in the subthread, & try to follow the gist. Demit Mar 2017 #139

I love seeing us at each others throats ornotna Mar 2017 #163

Ex-husband, in my case. He's still the father of my children. Shrike47 Mar 2017 #155

Thank you for the reminder that it IS 2017. hamsterjill Mar 2017 #63

Very well put hamsterjill. liquid diamond Mar 2017 #71

Thank you. hamsterjill Mar 2017 #79

Women can be just as misogynistic as men. JTFrog Mar 2017 #167

Wow- I'm surprised you're so emotionally invested in this man and wife's personal decisions... bettyellen Mar 2017 #78

I'm not emotionally invested in this man at all. hamsterjill Mar 2017 #89

Sure you are - sharing what you imagine to be the story of their private lives with strangers and bettyellen Mar 2017 #114

Oh, good grief! hamsterjill Mar 2017 #119

Neither you nor I knows what goes on between those two people or how they really feel about it. bettyellen Mar 2017 #121

I'm not sure why you worry about how I spend my time. hamsterjill Mar 2017 #145

Nope - peering into the private lives of consenting adults and judging is not progressive - bettyellen Mar 2017 #149

Fuckin' A. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #185

She has plenty of opinions about others and has expressed them in this thread. mnhtnbb Mar 2017 #186

Yes. I see that! hamsterjill Mar 2017 #187

That old guy sounds like my Dad. Ligyron Mar 2017 #95

It is a common story with men: they are easily deceived when it comes to mnhtnbb Mar 2017 #105

Or they like sex enough to be happy with their situation- whatever it looks like to you? bettyellen Mar 2017 #115

Beyond skank. She's an amoral predator. elehhhhna Mar 2017 #127

Exactly. hamsterjill Mar 2017 #147

I agree that there are times to call liquid diamond Mar 2017 #26

Progressives don't judge consenting adults or use a woman's sexuality to shame her...period. bettyellen Mar 2017 #35

My post had nothing to do with liquid diamond Mar 2017 #50

This is no better than anyone judging Hillary for staying in her marriage... these things bettyellen Mar 2017 #69

So, when is the N word appropriate? wryter2000 Mar 2017 #141

How did the "N" word become a part of this? hamsterjill Mar 2017 #146

We're not wryter2000 Mar 2017 #171

so what if a non-white person acts very badly? do they "deserve" the N-word? the correlation is TheFrenchRazor Mar 2017 #175

As far as I'm concerned wryter2000 Mar 2017 #192

+2 Ligyron Mar 2017 #87

++ mnhtnbb Mar 2017 #94

They claim calling one woman a whore liquid diamond Mar 2017 #113

Nope. Just that it's a gendered slur when applied inaccurately to people not in the profession bettyellen Mar 2017 #134

So under some circumstances, is the N word OK with you? How about gay slurs? Squinch Mar 2017 #102

What about someone's jrthin Mar 2017 #126

Are you serious that you would want to describe behavior by using similar slurs against women? Squinch Mar 2017 #135

I am a woman, and you are wrong. Oneironaut Mar 2017 #153

Your statement is not logical. Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2017 #164

wow. talk about not getting it. nt TheFrenchRazor Mar 2017 #174

And btw, if a woman strips jrthin Mar 2017 #8

'Exotic dancers' and 'sex workers' are job descriptions leftstreet Mar 2017 #12

Because sexually empowered women are bad meadowlander Mar 2017 #20

I called myself what I was. A stripper. bravenak Mar 2017 #76

ITA ;-) JustAnotherGen Mar 2017 #14

A stripper. meadowlander Mar 2017 #16

It's not "common sense" its denigration of a woman's sexuality and misogynistic bettyellen Mar 2017 #30

"Couch gate" is the dumbest fucking thing ever. phleshdef Mar 2017 #9

Couchgate isn't about what she did ... it's about the hypocrisy of the right wing SFnomad Mar 2017 #31

I totally agree about the hypocrisy of the right wing phleshdef Mar 2017 #39

I agree. It's a pointless distraction. Oneironaut Mar 2017 #161

Oh well get used to it JustAnotherGen Mar 2017 #11

That's the spirit that brought us the Civil Rights movement. meadowlander Mar 2017 #17

I called Kellyanne trashy and classless for the couch thing, but.. demmiblue Mar 2017 #18

Another one I saw (regarding the couch photo): demmiblue Mar 2017 #19

Thank you Bucky Mar 2017 #70

Your post up-thread should not have been hidden. demmiblue Mar 2017 #125

I have also noted they have come from newer members but also Maru Kitteh Mar 2017 #25

You make a good point. n/t demmiblue Mar 2017 #45

This crazycatlady Mar 2017 #23

I would use the same words myself. Ligyron Mar 2017 #104

Agreed, but she is very smelly. Maru Kitteh Mar 2017 #24

What do we call a woman who liquid diamond Mar 2017 #27

A sex worker. What do you call them? n/t demmiblue Mar 2017 #28

Exactly what I thought. Lol. liquid diamond Mar 2017 #32

What do you call them? Those women? n/t demmiblue Mar 2017 #33

I call them what dictionary definition applies. liquid diamond Mar 2017 #36

You should call them what they prefer leftstreet Mar 2017 #40

Nope. I don't interact with such people. liquid diamond Mar 2017 #51

So what do you call them? Labels are fluid and change as societies develop. demmiblue Mar 2017 #44

I call them hookers sarah FAILIN Mar 2017 #72

And if you call a woman a stripper or a hooker, B2G Mar 2017 #73

a lie sarah FAILIN Mar 2017 #96

Thank you. This excessive PC bullshit liquid diamond Mar 2017 #74

You're welcome. sarah FAILIN Mar 2017 #98

A sex worker, prostitute, or some other word that means what you MineralMan Mar 2017 #38

I've been saying that people should be labeled liquid diamond Mar 2017 #56

Really. None of the execrable behaviors she has exhibited have MineralMan Mar 2017 #57

Good point ! Wash. state Desk Jet Mar 2017 #110

And pus-filled wen has a nice ring to it . . . Vinca Mar 2017 #84

Well, I thought so, anyhow. MineralMan Mar 2017 #93

A prostitute True Dough Mar 2017 #46

I agree with your last sentence. liquid diamond Mar 2017 #52

Is this about Kellyane? TNLib Mar 2017 #29

Links please. Kingofalldems Mar 2017 #37

Puhlease, I got a post hidden for linking to a poster's well documented transphobic history on DU. demmiblue Mar 2017 #48

Yep loyalsister Mar 2017 #41

Agreed. That the woman in question is a woman is immaterial MineralMan Mar 2017 #42

I agree with skank, tramp, whore, slut and c_nt True Dough Mar 2017 #47

Post removed Post removed Mar 2017 #53

Well aren't you a special kind of judgemental. B2G Mar 2017 #60

Apparently you have to be Suzy Homemaker. demmiblue Mar 2017 #67

Bitch is misogyny? usedtobedemgurl Mar 2017 #58

Here at DU it is. We're not your personal circle of friends, so.... bettyellen Mar 2017 #82

I understand it is not that hard.... usedtobedemgurl Mar 2017 #117

It's probably the mildest gender slur- and like all slurs "in group usage" doesn't have the same bettyellen Mar 2017 #120

I am surprised you are still here.. coco22 Mar 2017 #132

Is that against TOS? usedtobedemgurl Mar 2017 #178

A couple factual points: One, DU has been fighting over the word "bitch" since at least 2004. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #140

OK, thank you.... usedtobedemgurl Mar 2017 #179

Here's my take, and I am fully aware that my opinions are not some universal truth any more than Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #183

I agree, meadowlander Mar 2017 #188

Maybe. Like I said, pretty much every argument that could be had on the word "bitch", was run Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #193

Unfortunately people tend to lose perspective when dealing with "other" mythology Mar 2017 #59

Correct musette_sf Mar 2017 #64

Here we go again. Let's all hold hands and sing kumbayah because surely Vinca Mar 2017 #75

I'm not talking about them. B2G Mar 2017 #77

I don't use the terms myself, although I've been known to yell a certain word at her when she Vinca Mar 2017 #81

For many they are just words sarisataka Mar 2017 #86

uneducated Melania went all birther underthematrix Mar 2017 #80

what is it when we call men dicks, pricks, etc? nini Mar 2017 #83

well .... CountAllVotes Mar 2017 #130

Are you saying she's a gold digger? Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #142

well it seems to be the case CountAllVotes Mar 2017 #143

She aint.. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #144

she is a birther CountAllVotes Mar 2017 #148

I'm making a joke, in reference to a Kanye West song. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #160

"Stripper" is also a job description so be careful Warpy Mar 2017 #91

That's only okay if you're conservative or Donald J. Trump tenderfoot Mar 2017 #101

I called her a skank I won't do it anymore if it's disturbing but - luvMIdog Mar 2017 #103

Compared to what she does JustAnotherGen Mar 2017 #109

No kidding CountAllVotes Mar 2017 #150

Non- gendered words like "trashy" and "asshole" can come in handy! bettyellen Mar 2017 #123

Classless. Common. Cheap. NurseJackie Mar 2017 #154

my neighbor calls her a "slut" CountAllVotes Mar 2017 #137

Agreed! Anybody who's ever been in the military knows how easy and corrosive dehumanizing is. NWCorona Mar 2017 #112

Dehumanizing is a good point! Have been disturbed to hear DT refer to him as as "what voted" or ... bettyellen Mar 2017 #118

Thank you....Quite a few here need to hear that whathehell Mar 2017 #128

really? where you been? I not only believe it, i expect it. frankieallen Mar 2017 #129

Someone thinks "stripper" is an insult? MountCleaners Mar 2017 #133

It's happened here before wryter2000 Mar 2017 #138

Yes and the bulk of those who make excuses for slurs decamped here for JPR where no word is bettyellen Mar 2017 #158

Blatant hypocrisy here. Oneironaut Mar 2017 #151

Yep! Look at the people on this thread judging other women for relationships and slurring them... bettyellen Mar 2017 #157

+1 million! Thank you! Oneironaut Mar 2017 #159

It's the same as judging HRC's marriage and that was just as disturbing because when you look at the bettyellen Mar 2017 #162

The double standard Dallasdem1988 Mar 2017 #156

Obviously it does no good to try to educate some people. JTFrog Mar 2017 #166

I agree. cwydro Mar 2017 #170

you are of course correct, but principles are "relative" to many here. nt TheFrenchRazor Mar 2017 #173

I find it interesting that the first post I saw here of Kellyanne on the Oval rzemanfl Mar 2017 #176

I think we should hold hearings on the matter. njhoneybadger Mar 2017 #180