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yardwork

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195. As a middle aged white woman, I have to disagree with you.

Sat Mar 4, 2017, 12:08 PM

Mar 2017

This election proved that far too many U.S. citizens carry a deep belief that white males are superior to women and people of color. Even many women believe this. Even some people of color believe this. Trump's campaign appealed to those deep-seated fears and resentments.

There is no way to rationalize Trump's campaign as anything other than an appeal to white supremacy. The Latinos and other people of color who voted for him did so because they hoped to gain from the oppression of "other" people.

We can't ignore the clear split in the polls. A large majority of white men voted for Trump. A large majority of people of color - who suffer more than their white counterparts from economic distress - voted against him.

This was not about economics. This was about race-based resentments and fears, delivered to people's Facebook pages.

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I've finally figured out normal white people. [View all] Tobin S. Mar 2017 OP

I don't think I would generalize that far? kentuck Mar 2017 #1

I doubt it. Tobin S. Mar 2017 #2

You should educate yourself. This post is really Hortensis Mar 2017 #239

Where did you go after posting this drivel? snooper2 Mar 2017 #270

I agree with you. we can do it Mar 2017 #40

Living in East TN, it seems your findings are the same as mine. SharonAnn Mar 2017 #130

OP does not. Gives a percentage. treestar Mar 2017 #145

Thank God for the godless commie weirdos here on DU and elsewhere. POCs and the rest... brush Mar 2017 #186

of course you wouldn't heaven05 Mar 2017 #229

63% of white males voted for 45 Takket Mar 2017 #3

Comey's interference swung millions of white women over to Trump after they had leaned for Hillary wishstar Mar 2017 #22

That fact that her lead was small to begin with proves these are "normal white women." nikibatts Mar 2017 #27

Bullshit...What it proves is that women vote for similar reasons as men.. whathehell Mar 2017 #67

Lots of white women were put off by radical noodle Mar 2017 #247

Then that was a very, very easy swing. What did Comey say that was such an issue for those Squinch Mar 2017 #34

I don't think you can underestimate the impact of Comey's announcement. Chemisse Mar 2017 #85

I agree that his effect was enormous. It seemed to stop and reverse the direction of the momentum. Squinch Mar 2017 #90

I think that's a stretch. The Hillary bashing was nonstop. Her credibility was always questioned. we can do it Mar 2017 #103

Clearly anyone who voted for Trump had no problem with racism or sexism. Chemisse Mar 2017 #107

It did exactly that. we can do it Mar 2017 #141

What Comey's interference did was embolden the Hillary haters even more, mountain grammy Mar 2017 #126

This exactly. It was evident even here. we can do it Mar 2017 #138

The high percentage of white women BlueMTexpat Mar 2017 #77

I was floored by that. That was like a betrayal. Squinch Mar 2017 #91

It was a betrayal. mountain grammy Mar 2017 #143

I still feel that BlueMTexpat Mar 2017 #171

You have to remember that, on the whole, women are concerned with the same issues men are -- whathehell Mar 2017 #210

Yes, but the majority of white women overall voted for Trump. I am ashamed of my cohort. Squinch Mar 2017 #214

By a small margin.. whathehell Mar 2017 #226

So kind of you to offer your permission for my thoughts. Squinch Mar 2017 #227

Glad you're pleased, but I'm clearly unable to "permit" or deny anything to anyone here. whathehell Mar 2017 #234

I agree that you are unable to. Squinch Mar 2017 #252

Then why did you state otherwise? whathehell Mar 2017 #257

I didn't. I stated that you offered permission, which you did. I certainly never thought that Squinch Mar 2017 #260

The majority of college educated white women did NoT vote for him whathehell Mar 2017 #92

And the majority of single white women didn't either. n/t moonscape Mar 2017 #167

Exactly. whathehell Mar 2017 #200

That is a comfort .. BlueMTexpat Mar 2017 #170

Clinton did get 54% of ALL women voting--but not enough of them were non-white mnhtnbb Mar 2017 #132

I am wholeheartedly in agreement BlueMTexpat Mar 2017 #173

Of the ones that voted Zing Zing Zingbah Mar 2017 #175

this nt heaven05 Mar 2017 #238

Not surprising Lotusflower70 Mar 2017 #277

You sound like an angry man. I understand to a point where you are coming from but you're wrong! caroldansen Mar 2017 #4

Yep tobefree Mar 2017 #26

No. Tobin is not wrong. As a white woman I wish he was, but he isn't. The numbers bear out Squinch Mar 2017 #30

Accuracy tobefree Mar 2017 #52

And as I have said elsewhere in this thread: those who didn't vote watched Trump for a year, every Squinch Mar 2017 #57

Maybe..... tobefree Mar 2017 #79

I accept the point of the lazy voter. But even there, that indicates a certain lack of Squinch Mar 2017 #83

What about all the PoC that didn't bother to vote or who voted for Trump? whathehell Mar 2017 #211

Yes, of course I am. They saw the same thing that you and I saw, and it was not enough for them Squinch Mar 2017 #212

Sorry, but PoC include Hispanics too whathehell Mar 2017 #231

Yep. But either their racism or sexism was so strong that it overrode even their own safety. Squinch Mar 2017 #232

Could be, so I guess it's not just us evil, or, as the OP believes, whathehell Mar 2017 #235

The OP never said it was. Saying that the majority of white people did the wrong thing Squinch Mar 2017 #254

Um, that's not what the OP said whathehell Mar 2017 #256

OK, then I'll amend my statement: the fact that there are racists and sexists in other groups does Squinch Mar 2017 #258

Ok, then I will restate my opinion -- one shared by most -- that this election was complicated and whathehell Mar 2017 #259

I agree. It was about racism AND sexism. Squinch Mar 2017 #261

Lol.. whathehell Mar 2017 #263

+1 yardwork Mar 2017 #198

69+million Rw trumpchump voters heaven05 Mar 2017 #242

Nope, and your figures are disputed whathehell Mar 2017 #96

No, not disputed. We may be using different sources but my numbers don't necessarily disagree with Squinch Mar 2017 #112

The OP didn't even bother with with stats or science.. whathehell Mar 2017 #122

First of all, I disagree that Trump's win was all about racism. The educated conclusion, whathehell Mar 2017 #146

They knowingly voted... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #179

Then you probably should ask why a full thirty three percent of Hispanic women voted for Trump whathehell Mar 2017 #196

Some GLTBTQ people and Muslims voted for him too... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #201

those hispanics are bigoted against other groups. JI7 Mar 2017 #222

That may be, but the fact remains that they were the most directly insulted whathehell Mar 2017 #225

and most hispanics did not vote for him JI7 Mar 2017 #248

No, I would think not whathehell Mar 2017 #249

What if you include white people who did not vote? Vilis Veritas Mar 2017 #135

Well, what do you think it means if you watch a person spew racial and sexist hatred every Squinch Mar 2017 #177

Sorry I disagree. Vilis Veritas Mar 2017 #191

OK. Squinch Mar 2017 #193

Post removed Post removed Mar 2017 #280

As a middle aged white woman, I have to disagree with you. yardwork Mar 2017 #195

White people are a huge problem for this country. I say this as a white person too. agenasolva Mar 2017 #251

love and hate, really? heaven05 Mar 2017 #240

About 70% respond to White Power talk bluedye33139 Mar 2017 #5

85% of statistics are made up on the spot Drahthaardogs Mar 2017 #9

I did not refer to science bluedye33139 Mar 2017 #10

When you start to quantity observation Drahthaardogs Mar 2017 #11

Awesome bluedye33139 Mar 2017 #12

Probably not. Drahthaardogs Mar 2017 #13

don't know who that is bluedye33139 Mar 2017 #17

LOL I got the reference & it's 100% on point. Demit Mar 2017 #29

I'm sure it's hilarious bluedye33139 Mar 2017 #117

Um, you do realize that "personal hunches" have near zero credibility, right? whathehell Mar 2017 #114

Take this up with the original post bluedye33139 Mar 2017 #118

Lol.. whathehell Mar 2017 #123

I'd be happy to ignore white racism to discuss theories of knowledge bluedye33139 Mar 2017 #134

Lol, you would first need to realize that no legitimate discussion of racism ( or most anything) whathehell Mar 2017 #153

Personal hunches instead of facts elected nmp45. we can do it Mar 2017 #142

Bingo! whathehell Mar 2017 #147

! we can do it Mar 2017 #149

Back at ya.. whathehell Mar 2017 #154

Many RW memes have white supremacist origins MountCleaners Mar 2017 #28

The past ten years have seen a normalization of White Power/White Identity ideas in the bluedye33139 Mar 2017 #58

Um, no..Where have you "noticed" this? I'd say you either live in a very bigoted area whathehell Mar 2017 #73

Thanks. That's a really helpful comment. bluedye33139 Mar 2017 #78

I hope so, although, in fact, it was actually a question... whathehell Mar 2017 #88

Um, that's "opinion" not"fact". whathehell Mar 2017 #255

Makes sense ck4829 Mar 2017 #6

68 percent of Non-educated white MEN -- whathehell Mar 2017 #157

I agree with you Saboburns Mar 2017 #7

it's a majority of white men for sure . this is why they have no problem with Russia JI7 Mar 2017 #8

You don't remember the Cold War, do you? whathehell Mar 2017 #124

It's a new era treestar Mar 2017 #148

Attitudes don't change that fast, especially among Boomers who well remember whathehell Mar 2017 #158

this isn't the child war . putin is seen more as a right wing bigot JI7 Mar 2017 #161

What is the "child war"? whathehell Mar 2017 #165

And that says a lot about where they stand JI7 Mar 2017 #166

Russia is different from the USSR though treestar Mar 2017 #192

I doubt most of the RW are fully aware of that.. whathehell Mar 2017 #199

Apparently attitudes have changed. Turns out they don't care. yardwork Mar 2017 #203

Not necessarily apparent...At this point, It's likely more don't "believe" than don't "care" whathehell Mar 2017 #206

Bullshit melman Mar 2017 #14

Exactly we can do it Mar 2017 #43

Are you submitting this for peer review? nt Xipe Totec Mar 2017 #15

Hahaha! I have a feeling I won't be seeing this in PLOS or in JSTOR anytime soon! TheBlackAdder Mar 2017 #283

Perhaps in the Journal of Irreproducible Results. nt Xipe Totec Mar 2017 #284

Narcissistic deadbeat traitorous billionaire is NOT normal. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #16

But the white people who voted for him ARE the majority of whites. Squinch Mar 2017 #35

That doesn't make him normal among even those whites. tRump is not normal. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #61

It certainly means that they found him acceptable overall, and they found his faults to be something Squinch Mar 2017 #63

Acceptable and normal are two completely different things, as are desirable and normal. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #64

70% of white men voted for him. That would seem to define a norm. Squinch Mar 2017 #66

A norm for vote recipient in that group. NOT a norm for who they are. tRump is NOT normal. Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #72

I don't think anyone is saying that Trump himself is the norm. I think the point is that Squinch Mar 2017 #80

The OP's bogus claim that 70% of whites are racist is bogus. It is NOT the norm. Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #94

Lol. "I'm not saying he's a hater...but he's a hater..." No, I really have to disagree. Squinch Mar 2017 #106

I did not say "I'm not saying he's a hater...but he's a hater..." STOP diverting. Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #108

I see from your post that you thought we were having a fight. I thought we were having a discussion Squinch Mar 2017 #113

most are racist and deplorable heaven05 Mar 2017 #245

According to actual interviews, of Trump voters, what Trump "stands for" is whathehell Mar 2017 #164

Why does that make them the normal whites? Vilis Veritas Mar 2017 #137

This message was self-deleted by its author 58Sunliner Mar 2017 #223

Read the rest of the thread. This issue has been addressed a lot throughout. Squinch Mar 2017 #224

Still does not address your statement. 58Sunliner Mar 2017 #266

I do not know what the percentage is--70%, 80%, 60%--but Tobin is correct IMO mnhtnbb Mar 2017 #18

How does your epiphany account for babylonsister Mar 2017 #19

Here are the demographic breakdowns of the 2008 and 2012 Obama wins mnhtnbb Mar 2017 #21

Well....that and the Rooskies griloco Mar 2017 #47

Shhhh, please don't allow facts to interrupt such racial arrogance. Trust Buster Mar 2017 #33

Uh, yes, the facts of the demographic breakdown of voters mnhtnbb Mar 2017 #111

Except for your choice of "normal", I can see where you're coming from. no_hypocrisy Mar 2017 #20

It's melanin--the pigmentation that determines skin color--not melatonin which is a sleep drug. mnhtnbb Mar 2017 #23

Thank you, corrected. no_hypocrisy Mar 2017 #24

I think you've put your finger on the source of so much rage. Chemisse Mar 2017 #99

This has been my thought for some time. mnhtnbb Mar 2017 #125

covert,behind closed doors, nocalflea Mar 2017 #25

I find this to be an extremely racist and insulting OP. Why does DU tolerate such garbage ? Trust Buster Mar 2017 #31

If you could back it up with voter statistics it would not be hidden. Tobin's point is supported Squinch Mar 2017 #36

Bull. Tobin thinks he/she has the right to determine what constitutes a "normal white person". Trust Buster Mar 2017 #38

Whatever. I'm a white woman. I am able to look at the numbers without getting up on my high Squinch Mar 2017 #41

#Double Standard. Trust Buster Mar 2017 #44

In what way? If 70% of black men had voted for Trump, would you consider the Trump voter Squinch Mar 2017 #45

No, because not all of them vote. A large percentage of the country does not vote. we can do it Mar 2017 #48

Those who did not vote were not moved enough by Trump's raging sexism and racism to extend the Squinch Mar 2017 #54

Bad analogy. You left an important characteristic out - the word racist. Trust Buster Mar 2017 #53

No. We're probably going to get into the weeds here, but your analogy is incorrect. Squinch Mar 2017 #62

the average black voter was for Hillary over treestar Mar 2017 #152

I know that. I am trying to answer the poster who is saying that the fact that 70% of Squinch Mar 2017 #182

Oh yeah I know treestar Mar 2017 #190

Ditto! Dustlawyer Mar 2017 #84

Divisive posts like this serve no purpose here, exactly. we can do it Mar 2017 #93

Yeah..This is just a "Let's bash white people thread". whathehell Mar 2017 #102

In this case abnormal would be an honor treestar Mar 2017 #151

no bull, truth heaven05 Mar 2017 #246

You are correct. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #76

It's different talking about the dominant group treestar Mar 2017 #150

+1 hamsterjill Mar 2017 #221

I dunno... MountCleaners Mar 2017 #32

I'd rather listen to those who didn't vote. Drumpf voters bought him whole hog. haele Mar 2017 #156

This is racist, insulting bullshit. we can do it Mar 2017 #37

It's supported by the numbers from the election we just had. Squinch Mar 2017 #42

Bernie bros and non voters figured in? Cause I'm not buying it. we can do it Mar 2017 #46

A majority of white people who voted voted for Trump. The ones who stayed home didn't Squinch Mar 2017 #49

You must live in an unique area because the large majority of white people I know support Trump. wcast Mar 2017 #51

Northeast Ohio and Delaware. we can do it Mar 2017 #68

I live in a very blue city in a very blue state and a large majority of the people smirkymonkey Mar 2017 #163

What makes you think the White people YOU know are more reflective of the whole? Maybe it's you whathehell Mar 2017 #208

Not even half the eligible citizens voted sarah FAILIN Mar 2017 #71

That does not disprove the point. We watched Trump spew his racism and sexism for a Squinch Mar 2017 #74

Just because a majority of his voters were white does not mean all whites are racist sarah FAILIN Mar 2017 #95

I agree. And I agree that he accumulated racists. And I agree that not all white people Squinch Mar 2017 #189

Thank you. I agree completely. n/t whathehell Mar 2017 #262

The preliminary data on the 2016 election does show whites voting mnhtnbb Mar 2017 #116

Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long luvMIdog Mar 2017 #39

Thank you. Trust Buster Mar 2017 #55

Yes. cwydro Mar 2017 #75

This post has got to be meant as parody oberliner Mar 2017 #50

Wow - I hope so. It's disturbing anyone would lump all white people into that pot. Vinca Mar 2017 #56

Very disturbing. All white people aren't truckers. we can do it Mar 2017 #89

Of course.. whathehell Mar 2017 #213

I don't think so. sarah FAILIN Mar 2017 #97

I am not sure of your numbers but I had a conversation yesterday that confirms your observation. gordianot Mar 2017 #59

A lot of those very same white people voted for Obama bekkilyn Mar 2017 #60

This times 10000 we can do it Mar 2017 #69

That's not born out by the data. Squinch Mar 2017 #70

no they didn't. JI7 Mar 2017 #250

This "Obama is unAmerican" crap... MountCleaners Mar 2017 #65

so you now look at me with distrust. Thanks for that. elias7 Mar 2017 #81

If 70% of black men had just voted for a person who made it clear that he thought that Squinch Mar 2017 #87

Probably not, but that's the point. It's not whites per se. It's the majority race of any culture. elias7 Mar 2017 #233

The 70% number is for non-college educated men. Other white demographics vary from 50% Squinch Mar 2017 #264

What I mean is I think this is tribal human behavior when threatened elias7 Mar 2017 #267

In what way are white people more indigenous than other citizens? What makes you think Squinch Mar 2017 #268

I think you're misunderstanding my larger point elias7 Mar 2017 #269

I do understand your larger point. And history does not bear it out. In fact, if you were Squinch Mar 2017 #285

No you haven't....You're using normal as code for "Racist" whathehell Mar 2017 #82

What the everloving fuck? bunnies Mar 2017 #86

Thank you. Big mouth men on CB (who the hell is on CB anymore???) equal white people?!? we can do it Mar 2017 #98

Right? bunnies Mar 2017 #101

Hugs to you, I'm making some coffee now. we can do it Mar 2017 #104

Me too. bunnies Mar 2017 #105

I get where you are coming from. dawg Mar 2017 #100

This is the most optimistic post in this thread. Yes, attitudes are changing. mnhtnbb Mar 2017 #120

How great to read this post first thing in the morning! logosoco Mar 2017 #109

How do you handle Motownman78 Mar 2017 #110

Considering that only 55-58% of eligible voters actually voted in Nov 2016, Silver Gaia Mar 2017 #115

Thank you. Sick of this divisive crap. we can do it Mar 2017 #159

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2017 #169

This isn't who we are. Don't let this ignorant post keep you away. I'm a white female. we can do it Mar 2017 #174

I don't think a majority here agree with the OP.. whathehell Mar 2017 #243

That was an impressive rant El Viejo Mar 2017 #119

This is what I've been thinking for awhile .. ananda Mar 2017 #121

Um, guys, you know how they smirk and wink? raging moderate Mar 2017 #127

Pretty much ismnotwasm Mar 2017 #128

Yep. CanSocDem Mar 2017 #129

Ummmmmm, Bush the first? we can do it Mar 2017 #140

I wouldn't say 70%. More like 60%. BumRushDaShow Mar 2017 #131

Excellent post Blecht Mar 2017 #133

We can argue about statistics and broad brushes all day long mountain grammy Mar 2017 #136

The problem is that they -think- they're the norm MountCleaners Mar 2017 #139

They may not admit it or even think they think it treestar Mar 2017 #144

LOVE the subject line. As the whitest of white people let me say underpants Mar 2017 #155

Interesting to find out that some random white truck drivers represent all Caucasians elehhhhna Mar 2017 #160

Mostly male I would venture as well. we can do it Mar 2017 #168

this nt heaven05 Mar 2017 #162

Are you trying to normalize the Trumpsters? Zing Zing Zingbah Mar 2017 #172

Thank you. Not normal. Not most white people. Lots of third party and non voters among whites. we can do it Mar 2017 #197

Yes, the anti-abortion people.... Zing Zing Zingbah Mar 2017 #204

Your post KentuckyWoman Mar 2017 #176

I don't think so. First you lost the many nonvoters. And you're limiting this to Americans. nolabear Mar 2017 #178

My experience has me agreeing with you. liberalmuse Mar 2017 #180

I hate to say I agree. Even the men I knew who disliked Trump were not worried about him to the bettyellen Mar 2017 #181

Once we're back in power, we need to outlaw normal white people. ileus Mar 2017 #183

Please tell me you aren't being serious. Else You Are Mad Mar 2017 #188

No ilius is being sarcastic. He has a stubborn case of "not all white men." Squinch Mar 2017 #202

Riiiiight.. whathehell Mar 2017 #236

White as in the KKK? nolabels Mar 2017 #184

What bothers me about this post is the use of the word NORMAL nini Mar 2017 #185

normal - conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected. dchill Mar 2017 #215

I always think of this when I see 'abnormal' nini Mar 2017 #216

Yeah, or any picture of Trump. dchill Mar 2017 #217

yep nini Mar 2017 #219

I'm a normal white person. Trump is not. Bucky Mar 2017 #187

I am a white person. Without a lot of deep thinking on this ... KPN Mar 2017 #194

My black female boss (and friend) believed, and I quote, "Everyone is racist" including whathehell Mar 2017 #209

I took a class in college about the 60s from a Black point of view (I'm white) nini Mar 2017 #218

Racial identity is a driving force in American politics Yavin4 Mar 2017 #205

Racist tendencies tend to come out online and while voting Calculating Mar 2017 #207

You forgot how strongly normal white people are jmg257 Mar 2017 #220

What we are seeing is Wellstone ruled Mar 2017 #228

im normal and im white and i hate trumps guts. but i am a white woman. so...is there a difference? samnsara Mar 2017 #230

a lot of the vote for boy-potus chump heaven05 Mar 2017 #237

Outstanding post Tobin liquid diamond Mar 2017 #241

This sort of thread makes me appreciate the trash thread feature. Crunchy Frog Mar 2017 #244

Most of my threads are trash threads Orrex Mar 2017 #275

Trump received approximately 27% of the vote. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #253

This MAY be true in various parts of the country but not in more populous areas. alarimer Mar 2017 #265

IMO Mr Dixon Mar 2017 #271

Well, that's a hell of a drive-by, at least. Orrex Mar 2017 #272

Yet it was amusing to see who was most offended. hunter Mar 2017 #273

I'M OFFENDED THAT YOU POSTED THAT!!!!!!!! Orrex Mar 2017 #274

You're not that far off. These people exist, and there's millions and millions of them. Iggo Mar 2017 #276

Interesting observations Lotusflower70 Mar 2017 #278

Most white people are in denial. Scruffy1 Mar 2017 #279

No offense but Egnever Mar 2017 #281

You're metaphysics studies are beginning to make a difference lunatica Mar 2017 #282