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H2O Man

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Sat Mar 4, 2017, 11:44 PM Mar 2017

Sessions Unplugged [View all]

“Coincidence takes a lot of planning.”
Malcolm Nance


I've seen a number of interesting discussions on the internet recently, about the “troubles” that the Trump administration is experiencing. Everyone seems to realize that a segment of the intelligence community is engaged in an effort to destabilize the administration. The part of this program that is visible to the public comes by way of coordinated leaks to various news sources. There is, of course, a significant amount of activity behind the scenes, that we do not see. Yet.

I think it might be fun to have a talk about both the context of such an operation, including a bit of history to assist us in defining some of the terms we hear – and will continue to hear – in coming months. In doing so, I think it is beneficial to be as objective as possible. Thus, I'll do my best to avoid including my own “value judgments,” other than to say here that I favor a constitutional government.

Journalists talk about the “Deep State.” This is best understood as the machine that runs this country. It is basically what Eisenhower famously warned of in his farewell address. It's worth noting that in almost all of the thirty-plus rough drafts Ike made, he identified the danger of the “military-industrial-congressional complex.” In more recent decades, it's understood to mean the military and intelligence community.

This is distinct from the concept of a “shadow government,” although some members of the deep state are also found in a shadow government. But the shadow government is identified as those who pull the strings on the puppets who serve in elected office. On occasion, members of the shadow government have stepped from behind the curtain, and served in elected or non-elected office. This has included Nelson Rockefeller and James Baker, as well as some military generals (both retired and active).

The issues confronting Trump et al are more similar to what Nixon faced in Watergate, than Reagan – Bush in Iran-Contra, or VP Cheney in the Plame scandal. So let's review a few things from the Nixon White House. First, early on, two people who would play significant roles in destabilizing the administration met regularly in the White House's basement: Bob Woodward and Mark Felt. At the time, Woodward was an officer from the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI). Felt, also an ONI officer, had “retired” to take an Assistant Director's position in the FBI.

Older readers will recall that Nixon learned that military intelligence was spying on him. This certainly upset poor Richard, yet he failed to actually address the issue. Around the same time, Felt suggested that Woodward retire and take up journalism – a curious idea, as Felt despised the media, and Woodward had absolutely no background in journalism. Yet, in a brief time, Woodward would be hired by the Washington Post. (his WP partner, Carl Bernstein, would eventually write an article that documented how the intelligence community had spread through the major medias of the day.)

According to Woodward, he had a “secret source” in DC, who “leaked” confidential information to him. He referred to this source as “Deep Throat.” Decades later, he identified Felt as Deep Throat, although it would have been impossible for Felt to have run the operation Woodward described alone. It was an operation that involved a group that sought to use the media to destabilize the Nixon administration, forcing the legislative branch to begin to take the actions that resulted in Nixon's resigning in utter disgrace.

Fast-forward to the Trump campaign. It is widely believed that “Russian intelligence” hacked the computers of the DNC and Clinton campaign, in hopes of finding “dirt” to harm the Clinton campaign. One can only speculate on if the materials leaked played any significant role in the choices that citizens made in the voting booths. However, although the DNC and Clinton campaign were private groups – not “government” entities – this is of concern to the intelligence community. Members from several agencies – including military intelligence – quickly became aware of suspicious connections between members of the Trump campaign, and some Russians they took interest in.

It is important to recognize that Russia also has a “deep state” and a “shadow government,” that are similar to those in the US. What the intelligence community found is described in detail in Malcolm Nance's recent book, “The Plot to Hack America.” Nance has become a regular guest on a number of television news programs. He is recognized as an expert in intelligence, being that he is a “retired” high-ranking ONI officer. As he notes in the book, he communicates with other retired and active members of the intelligence community.

The information that his book provides about the Trump campaign's connections to various Russian individuals and business interests is important. The on-going discussions between the campaign is, of course, closely connected to these financial ties. More, the discussions strongly indicate that the Trump people were promising accept Russian plans to “resolve” the conflict in the Ukraine, and to lift sanctions …..though for what, exactly, is not as clear.

The recent information about Sessions' meeting the Russian ambassador – at the republican convention, a trip which Sessions used campaign money to pay for – and his lying to try to hide it, fit in with the narrative that the campaign was coordinating efforts with the Russians. Likewise, the information regarding other campaign operatives systematic communications with the Russians provides further evidence of this. And the Russian ambassador's attending the Trump speech was clearly to hear the candidate confirm the deal they had agreed upon.

Keep in mind that European intelligence groups have provided the US intelligence community with even more evidence, which they gathered when Trump campaign representatives met “secretly” with Russians. Expect the domestic investigations to include the information from the fellow from MI5, which was originally gathered for the Jeb Bush campaign.

Note that Sessions now “remembers” that the ambassador and he got into a “heated debate” about the Ukraine. That is not a clever lie. Although his role may have been limited to the two meetings with the ambassador to discuss the Ukraine, it will be further exposed as being a significant piece in the larger puzzle.

It is important that both houses of Congress investigate this. It should be a special, select committee, not just the intelligence oversight committees, since the public would never see the real results. And, of course, that a truly independent prosecutor be appointed, although at this point, this would come by way of the Justice Department.

Even the republicans who speak in favor of Trump today will sacrifice him in time. This is not only true of those up for re-election in 2018, but those who want to stay in the majority as well. Most would prefer to work with VP Pence.

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Sessions Unplugged [View all] H2O Man Mar 2017 OP
TY for posting. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #1
You are welcome! H2O Man Mar 2017 #2
I like how Sessions clumsily exculpates himself here DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #3
He's not particularly smart. H2O Man Mar 2017 #4
You're right. Tatiana Mar 2017 #19
...the shitfaced grin, as he tunes up his face to make his beady eyes sparkle...ah, isn't he sweet Alice11111 Mar 2017 #22
When I used to H2O Man Mar 2017 #68
He is top notch. Eye contact. Not overly defensive Alice11111 Mar 2017 #72
I'm just hearing of Sessions' sudden remembrance of the "heated discussion". brush Mar 2017 #12
Sessions is severely compromised. Eyeball_Kid Mar 2017 #76
And to think it took Wellstone ruled Mar 2017 #5
Good question. H2O Man Mar 2017 #7
Ah so true. Wellstone ruled Mar 2017 #15
Trump was close to Cohn, too, and saw him as a role model. nt tblue37 Mar 2017 #18
Watched many a Newsreel during Wellstone ruled Mar 2017 #20
Good story Alice11111 Mar 2017 #23
Nice evocation of time and place! VOX Mar 2017 #66
Again,if it was not for the Store owner, Wellstone ruled Mar 2017 #67
I agree, I think they will use Trump as a fall guy. Dustlawyer Mar 2017 #74
When Trumpy is no longer of use to Putin, Uncle Vlad will pull the chain and flush Trumpy. Eyeball_Kid Mar 2017 #77
Trump also lacks the intelligence of Nixon vlyons Mar 2017 #27
Absolutely. H2O Man Mar 2017 #50
I was hoping this was a cartoon. littlemissmartypants Mar 2017 #6
Well, both Trump H2O Man Mar 2017 #9
Love and thank you for weighing in babylonsister Mar 2017 #8
Thanks, Buddy! H2O Man Mar 2017 #10
Nice post and excellent points. Tatiana Mar 2017 #11
Important points. H2O Man Mar 2017 #13
The vig. dchill Mar 2017 #24
WoW Me. Mar 2017 #14
Poor Donald. H2O Man Mar 2017 #38
The futute role of Mr Pence has possibilities. malthaussen Mar 2017 #42
"Funky Ideas" H2O Man Mar 2017 #45
"Destabilize the administration." malthaussen Mar 2017 #48
Sessions will be asked H2O Man Mar 2017 #49
K&R... spanone Mar 2017 #16
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2017 #39
K&R for visibility. I was wondering today why you hadn't been posting, and I was ready to tblue37 Mar 2017 #17
Well, thank you! H2O Man Mar 2017 #40
Those were classic! This will rise to the occasion. Good to see livetohike Mar 2017 #52
Those days were a blast. H2O Man Mar 2017 #54
H2O man, you truly rock! Thank you for posting this analysis. StrictlyRockers Mar 2017 #21
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2017 #46
KnRnThanks for this essay Hekate Mar 2017 #25
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2017 #47
Good to see you post again grantcart Mar 2017 #26
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2017 #53
Was Sessions being vetted by Russians? randr Mar 2017 #28
Good question. H2O Man Mar 2017 #80
Certainly seemed to be a well orchestrated meet and greet randr Mar 2017 #83
I hope you're right Juliusseizure Mar 2017 #29
Interesting points. H2O Man Mar 2017 #81
Thank you Juliusseizure Mar 2017 #87
Tiny, tiny insignificant point to make StrictlyRockers Mar 2017 #30
Yikes! H2O Man Mar 2017 #35
He's afraid to come to America. StrictlyRockers Mar 2017 #41
Informative post, thanks H20 Man. democrank Mar 2017 #31
Thanks. H2O Man Mar 2017 #58
Thank you for your analysis voteearlyvoteoften Mar 2017 #32
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2017 #59
We live in interesting times ms liberty Mar 2017 #33
What the radicals aren't, is organized. malthaussen Mar 2017 #43
Excellent post malaise Mar 2017 #34
Thanks, Buddy! H2O Man Mar 2017 #60
K&R BumRushDaShow Mar 2017 #36
Thank you H2O Man Mar 2017 #61
K&R (eom) CanSocDem Mar 2017 #37
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2017 #62
Thanks for your analysis. I am going to have to p/u Malcom Nance's book. AgadorSparticus Mar 2017 #44
It is a good book. H2O Man Mar 2017 #63
I'm wondering if Rod Rosenstein will lead the investigation. panader0 Mar 2017 #51
Good question. H2O Man Mar 2017 #64
Exactly and Trump and company do not belong to the club. gordianot Mar 2017 #55
Right. H2O Man Mar 2017 #69
K&R! gademocrat7 Mar 2017 #56
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2017 #70
K Me. Mar 2017 #57
The U.S. military must be very alarmed by Trump, since it is their own service men and women McCamy Taylor Mar 2017 #65
Jeb Bush must have wanted to advance the Trump/Russian connection himself Mr. Ected Mar 2017 #71
Two closely related reasons: H2O Man Mar 2017 #82
Where is Pallas when you really need her? coeur_de_lion Mar 2017 #73
Gracious. H2O Man Mar 2017 #84
Thanks for your answers -- I do so respect your opinion coeur_de_lion Mar 2017 #86
Thank you for a very clearly laid out post! FailureToCommunicate Mar 2017 #75
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2017 #85
Thank you for the lesson leanforward Mar 2017 #78
Kicking! littlemissmartypants Mar 2017 #79
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