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jeff47

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76. Because these uncovered people won't fall into traditional Medicaid as their health and income fails

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 11:57 PM

Jun 2012

Leading to much more expensive care.

Declining the expansion saves money the same way that not paying your electric bill this month saves money.

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States can opt out of Medicaid expansion, citizens must buy x, and that's a progressive victory? [View all] usregimechange Jun 2012 OP

You don't have to buy X, and it's a victory for those who want affordable coverage or have pre-exist FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #1

Where is this affordable coverage of which you speak? Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #10

Health exchanges, subsidies, no cap, and the ability to pay only premiums vs. bankruptcy. FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #35

Health exchanges for some.... states can opt out. Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #49

With no lifetime cap you will only have to pay premiums. FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #54

The decision is an overall win but it isn't going to stop medical bankruptcies SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #60

It's going to stop the vast majority of medical bankruptcies. Schema Thing Jun 2012 #80

Do you have any data to support that? SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #106

http://www.healthleadersmedia.com/content/FIN-265414/Despite-ACA-OutofPocket-Medical-Costs-Lurk.html Schema Thing Jun 2012 #109

No, they can't. jeff47 Jun 2012 #71

states cannot opt out of the exchanges Schema Thing Jun 2012 #79

Wow, not disputing level of your premiums, but I bet at full phase-in you'll be better off. Hoyt Jun 2012 #82

I think you're counting your chickens before they've hatched. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #18

I think you need to read the bill. A lot of denial going on today. FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #37

At least I understand what is in the bill, including the fact that denials.. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #44

lolz. OH NO WE SHOULDN'T HELP MILLIONS BECAUSE WE CAN'T HELP THOUSANDS SO EVERYONE MUST SUFFER! FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #47

Thousands will continue to die.. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #90

would you rather have something flawed we can build on, or nothing at all? dionysus Jun 2012 #104

so states can also opt-IN to medicaid expansion, making it possible for good states nt msongs Jun 2012 #2

Even the ones that filed suit will eventually cave. HopeHoops Jun 2012 #5

Keep dreaming. Zalatix Jun 2012 #66

Wait until GOP-controlled states' citizens find out what they are saying no to Trekologer Jun 2012 #111

I'll say this: I hope it happens that way. Zalatix Jun 2012 #117

Yes. liberalmuse Jun 2012 #3

That and those under 26. HopeHoops Jun 2012 #6

Because of this, the insurance that I pay for my 22 daughter quintupled. Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #24

Yep SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #33

So sorry to hear that... progress2k12nbynd Jun 2012 #81

That's premiums only. Lasher Jun 2012 #101

Actually, that's because of Healthy San Francisco, from the sound of it Scootaloo Jun 2012 #102

Yes. Who were they to drop someone on that ground? treestar Jun 2012 #112

That seems awfully high and if you're already paying for a family plan it shouldn't have changed. HopeHoops Jun 2012 #105

I think the insurance industry is fine with ACA tblue Jun 2012 #4

Congress is going to have to fix the "incentive" for the states to expand Medicaid now. EFerrari Jun 2012 #7

What? Insurance cos. have spent a shit load of money fighting it. NYC Liberal Jun 2012 #21

If states opt out of Medicaid expansion,it costs them dearly in fed. funds. You don't have to buy X. Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #8

No, today's decision was that the Feds can't dock states for opting out of expanding Medicaid. n/t EFerrari Jun 2012 #11

That is not correct jeff47 Jun 2012 #72

A distinction without a difference. n/t EFerrari Jun 2012 #75

So according to you, millions of dollars is exactly the same as 0 dollars. jeff47 Jun 2012 #94

I'm confused about it, now. I THINK I read that the states have to opt out of Medicaid ENTIRELY. Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #110

It doesn't cost them. If states opt out they still get the same amount they usually get. Autumn Jun 2012 #12

I read the opposite. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #36

You might want to re read that part.n/t Autumn Jun 2012 #41

Ditto jeff47 Jun 2012 #73

It doesn't cost states anything if they opt out of the Medicaid expansion SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #13

Not exactly ProSense Jun 2012 #17

Yes, I realize that if they don't opt in they don't get the additional funding SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #22

Perhaps, you shouldn't use complicated phrases such as "in the long run." Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #27

Math? ProSense Jun 2012 #31

I'm sorry I wasn't clearer SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #34

And ProSense Jun 2012 #38

Was there a refutation of my claim in there somewhere? SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #55

But they won't be saving because their citizens will get sicker & sicker and need more expensive FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #42

States don't pay for people that show up at ERs with no coverage SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #62

Because there's nobody insured by the state by some program called Medicaid.... jeff47 Jun 2012 #74

Some states only offer Medicaid to the disabled, so unless the disabled roles go up, nothing goes up Lionessa Jun 2012 #92

And which states would those be? jeff47 Jun 2012 #93

My state gives funds to hospitals for ER care! JimDandy Jun 2012 #84

Not according to Rendel and Jerry Brown dsc Jun 2012 #87

$1.5B and $3B sound like big numbers Trekologer Jun 2012 #113

a fairer comparison would be deficit dsc Jun 2012 #116

Fed Government Picks Up the Tab for First Three Years Iggy Jun 2012 #39

Yes, feds pick up the tab for three years SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #63

"They elected conservatives for a reason" Iggy Jun 2012 #103

It won't cost them anything in Federal Funds. They will still receive the funds that they Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #14

Exactly - the decision created a new donut hole for the poor n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #16

Notice how many red states are seally dipping into those funds here loyalsister Jun 2012 #67

Because these uncovered people won't fall into traditional Medicaid as their health and income fails jeff47 Jun 2012 #76

The Republicans are now going to be called out on votes that reject medicaid loyalsister Jun 2012 #64

They aren't driving up their state budgets if they don't expand Medicaid SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #107

Medicaid rolls inevitably expand loyalsister Jun 2012 #108

States will continue to get funds for the natural growth that occurs under the current formulations SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #115

Who are these people, these 'deadbeats' you speak of who can 'afford it but refuse to pay for it'? sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #83

You can't be dropped for preexisting conditions...Insurance companies have to spend rustydog Jun 2012 #9

It's a big loss of for many poor people SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #15

Your argument ProSense Jun 2012 #20

You don't think the decision is a loss for the people that won't get Medicaid under this decision? SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #25

How are you saying a gain is a loss? I agree, not perfect, but it's a WIN for millions. FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #45

I'm not saying it's a loss for everyone SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #51

Prior to the ruling, states had to expand Medicaid or lose all Medicaid funding SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #28

What? ProSense Jun 2012 #32

I think you need to look again SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #46

No ProSense Jun 2012 #50

I never claimed that it did SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #53

Now find a Physician that accepts Medicaid Riftaxe Jun 2012 #89

Small businesses already can deduct insurance premiums, by the way... Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #19

Fail thread is EPIC FAIL n/t GarroHorus Jun 2012 #23

+1,000 nt MADem Jun 2012 #30

Insurance finance reform. Autumn Jun 2012 #26

Well, you're in the minority. Would you be happier if Roberts threw his vote the other way and MADem Jun 2012 #29

It is mixed but disappointed we couldn't do more usregimechange Jun 2012 #43

The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. nt MADem Jun 2012 #48

If true, when is NAFTA going to be revised? AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #57

When enough people rise up and decide it is an issue that is sufficiently important to merit MADem Jun 2012 #61

Been there. Done that. 2008. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #68

Ah, so, at first if you don't succeed....fuck it? MADem Jun 2012 #69

Maybe that is your way of handling it. Say "fuck it"? Be petulant? AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #78

I am not the one who said "I tried ONCE ... in 2008." MADem Jun 2012 #85

Such emotional language. I wonder why? But who really cares? AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #86

You're not the master at baiting that you apparently think you are. MADem Jun 2012 #88

No one is baiting you at all. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #96

That's exactly right--no one is baiting me! nt MADem Jun 2012 #98

Right. You are causing your own anger in that you cannot compel someone to agree with you. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #99

I am happy as a clam, couldn't be more thrilled today-- your concern is touching though. MADem Jun 2012 #100

It's an opening for Medicare for All... Rosco T. Jun 2012 #40

Thanks for letting me know Vermont doesn't exist. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2012 #77

States -- even the reddest -- aren't likely to do that. And, look at the legislation and you will Hoyt Jun 2012 #52

It is state-by-state, but it will be a sea-change for most bhikkhu Jun 2012 #56

DU Naysayers Health Insurance Plan: Bake Sales and Car Washes, and a penny jar on the counter. n/y progressivebydesign Jun 2012 #58

Which cost a penny more than what we have now and is just as effective. n/t EFerrari Jun 2012 #65

They're coming out of the woodwork, aren't they? All with a curious agenda. MADem Jun 2012 #70

I think you are misunderstanding what single payer is. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #91

Yes, it is bowens43 Jun 2012 #59

Optional services under medicaid loyalsister Jun 2012 #95

I remember a conversation with a fellow advocate loyalsister Jun 2012 #97

This is a start, and a BIG one. Enough of this purist foolishness. RBInMaine Jun 2012 #114