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JCannon

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Wed Mar 8, 2017, 05:47 AM Mar 2017

DOUBLE CROSS: John Schindler, Louise Mensch and other "spooky" writers in the anti-Trump movement [View all]

The anti-Trump movement includes prominent "former" spies and/or people with close ties to Spookworld. The best-known names would be Louise Mensch and John Schindler, whose pronouncements, in recent times, have received a great deal of publicity from the left-wing media. For example, Raw Story paid very respectful attention when Schindler proclaimed that the White House is targeting journalists using "Russian intel."

Is that specific allegation true? Don't know. This post is not about the merits of that claim. I am writing now to sound a note of caution.

Former NSA man Schindler claims to represent something called the 20committee. When I first saw that name, it struck a chord -- yet I did not comprehend the historical reference until this morning, when I slapped my forehead and flashed on a truth that should have been obvious from the start.

What an idiot I was! Why didn't I see it?

The "20committee" nomenclature is an homage to a classic WWII espionage operation better known as the XX Committee. "XX" is, of course, the number 20 in Roman numerals -- but in its original incarnation, it also referred to the double cross.

British intelligence agent John Masterman set up a spectacularly effective counter-intelligence ring which took effective control of all German spies within the British isles. Many Nazi spies were doubled; others were deceived. In order to sell false information to the Third Reich, the Brits surrounded each lie with a surprisingly large coating of genuine intelligence. It was the XX committee which convinced the Nazi high command that the Allied invasion would take place at Calais, not Normandy.

If John Schindler wants us to trust him, perhaps his group should not have named itself after history's grandest double cross.

About a month ago, liberal websites discovered Schindler. When he said that the intelligence community sought to remove Donald Trump, when he proclaimed that Trump would "die in jail," he told us precisely what we wanted to hear. Schindler tossed steak to the starving.

Schindler made no secret of the fact that he was a Republican. At first, his conservatism buttressed his credibility, since it automatically exempted him from the commonly-heard charge that only Hillary-loving die-hards believe in the Trump/Putin connection.

But Schindler is no ordinary conservative.

He is -- or was, until recently -- an employee of Jared Kushner, Donald Trump's son-in-law and loyal aide. Before he began working in the White House, Kusner owned The Observer, which published many articles in which John Schindler smeared Hillary Clinton. According to Schindler, Hillary is a demon from the deepest pits of hell -- and the email pseudoscandal was history's worst betrayal since Judas took up coin-collecting.

In short and in sum: Mere months ago, John Schindler was trying get Donald Trump elected.

Here are some examples of what John Schindler was getting up to in the days when he was a toiler for Trump's son-in-law:

Hillary’s Secret Kremlin Connection Is Quickly Unraveling

Why didn't that story catch fire? There are two possibilities. Either 1) Evil George Soros controls the entire mass media worldwide, or 2) Schindler didn't have his ducks in a row.

Did NSA Try to Destroy Hillary Clinton?
Allegations are circulating that the National Security Agency may be behind the massive hack of Hillary Clinton and her party

Vladimir, thou art absolved.

FBI Data Dump Shows Clinton Is Criminal and Clueless

She was neither.

EmailGate and the Mystery of the Missing GAMMA
Hillary Clinton’s 'unclassified' email included highly classified NSA information—why didn’t the FBI mention this fact?

Because it's bullshit...? No-one can credibly argue that the FBI helped Hillary.

Why Obama Is to Blame for Russia’s SpyWar on America

Most of us would blame Putin.

During this period, Schindler also published some material on the Trump/Putin linkage, although he was hardly "the firstest with the mostest." Always remember that Schindler is an admirer of the XX Committee. Always remember that the XX Committee deliberately fed genuine intelligence to the Nazis in order to make the false information seem credible.

I could write at equal length about Louise Mensch,
the other "spooked up" conservative writer who has gained fame among the anti-Trumpers. For now, let's confine ourselves to two main points:

1. Just as Schindler took a paycheck from Jared Kushner, Mensch took (takes?) a paycheck from Rupert Murdoch. There's a line from Lawrence of Arabia for every occasion, and on this occasion, that line is this: "The servant is the one who takes the money."

2. Donald Trump's instantly-infamous tweet-storm blaming Obama for wiretapping Trump Tower traces back -- ultimately -- to a piece that Louise Mensch wrote for Murdoch's right-wing "libertarian" publication Heat Street. In recent days, Mensch has (truthfully) stressed that her article does not accuse Obama of wiretapping. As this WP profile notes...

In tweets on Monday, Mensch emphasized that her reporting does not back up Trump’s wiretapping claim, even though the White House cited her article to justify the allegation. She stressed that her reporting refers to a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court warrant and does not mention anything about wiretapping
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In her report, published Nov. 7, Mensch said the FBI was granted a FISA court warrant in October “giving counter-intelligence permission to examine the activities of ‘U.S. persons’ in Donald Trump’s campaign with ties to Russia.”

She cited “two separate sources with links to the counter-intelligence community” as evidence for those claims.

Her twitter feed indicates that she is quite tight with John Schindler, whose 20committee is named after history's most successful counter-intelligence operation. Is Schindler one of those two sources? If he were, would she admit it?

For that matter, can we be certain that there is a second source? (James Angleton would sometimes pretend to have multiple sources when he was just repeating Golitsyn's bullshit.) If there are two sources, how can we be certain of their independence? How do we know that her sources are not beholden to the pro-Trump faction of the intelligence community?

Schindler and Mensch push a "intelligence community versus Donald Trump" narrative which I consider simplistic and false. Trump owes even more to Steve Bannon than he does to Vladimir Putin. Most liberals still don't understand that Breitbart (Bannon's operation) has been seriously spooked up for years. Go ahead and double-check that claim. I dare you to prove me wrong.

A short word about the CIA documents on Wikileaks.
Ten days after Trump took office, high-placed western moles in the FSB had bags placed over their heads as they were hustled off to their presumed dooms. And now we learn that -- at roughly the same time -- Wikileaks received a massive CIA data-dump, although Assange waited until now to spill the beans.

Who gave that material to Assange? I believe that someone within the Trump administration is leaking secrets.

The material published by Wikileaks includes the claim that the CIA can spoof the work of Russian hackers. The entire Putin/Trump meme began when Crowdstrike performed a forensic analysis which identified the DNC hack as the work of Russian hackers. As soon as the Wikileaks story hit the news, Milo Yiannopoulos instantly issued a piece arguing that the Putin hack was really a CIA hack. I don't think that Milo is right -- but the hell of it is, I can't prove him wrong.

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Maybe--I have never liked the JS-Observer-Kushner link. hlthe2b Mar 2017 #1
I see nothing in his post to doubt. OKNancy Mar 2017 #2
Count me in the skeptical column salin Mar 2017 #11
Hi there OKNancy Mar 2017 #14
I also thought of Bev Harris salin Mar 2017 #20
I was taken in until quite recently by Assange, Snowden and Greenwald, GliderGuider Mar 2017 #85
Right on, right on... pbmus Mar 2017 #102
Except that he's completely misstated what Mensch reported on. That's a glaring mistake. msanthrope Mar 2017 #27
all I know is she is a nut OKNancy Mar 2017 #42
Ok....she's a nut. So why not directly quote the nut, to prove her nuttiness? "Nuts and sluts" msanthrope Mar 2017 #43
I'm not going to spend a lot of time on Mensch, Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #57
I'm not in disagreement with her. msanthrope Mar 2017 #62
So you're up for WWIII? PaulaFarrell Mar 2017 #69
Mensch is starting WWIII.....well fuck that is a world of power. msanthrope Mar 2017 #77
Someone quoted to you that she would like to see 'regime change' in Russia PaulaFarrell Mar 2017 #88
Really? Regime change in Russia has occurred quite a bit. Tell me when nukes were used. nt msanthrope Mar 2017 #91
I'm getting peeved... JCannon Mar 2017 #5
ok, where's your blog? eShirl Mar 2017 #19
I found it by searching on his user name, + liberal blog salin Mar 2017 #22
Perhaps hlthe2b Mar 2017 #45
You DARE to talk about "anonymity"? JCannon Mar 2017 #52
Hey, Joe! peggysue2 Mar 2017 #99
Required reading OKNancy Mar 2017 #3
When I have Greenwald and the rest of the claimed "Far Left" decrying the Deep State, msanthrope Mar 2017 #12
Good point ymetca Mar 2017 #81
Your concern for our wellbeing is touching. GliderGuider Mar 2017 #4
To clarify GliderGuider Mar 2017 #6
Discredit? SecularMotion Mar 2017 #8
I follow them both. I don't make policy based on their writing, but GliderGuider Mar 2017 #10
The truth is out there - and in time we will find Nance, Mensch, and Schindler were right JustAnotherGen Mar 2017 #32
I get your point about his 20committee handle, drm604 Mar 2017 #7
let's not bring facts into this. nt msanthrope Mar 2017 #13
Oh, sorry. drm604 Mar 2017 #16
You seem concerned. Please feel free to air more of your concerns, and enjoy your stay. nt msanthrope Mar 2017 #9
well, of course, we have to take Mensch's and Schindler's posts with grains of salt Fast Walker 52 Mar 2017 #15
Mensch has her Patriobotics blog - it's more than a tweet JustAnotherGen Mar 2017 #34
sure, she's more of a real reporter than Schindler Fast Walker 52 Mar 2017 #41
Disagree theglammistress Mar 2017 #17
Yep - they are up there with Mr. Nance on this issue JustAnotherGen Mar 2017 #29
And other commentators I TRUST IMPLICITLY link to Mensch and Schindler. KittyWampus Mar 2017 #65
Very good point! get the red out Mar 2017 #78
+10000 n/t JustAnotherGen Mar 2017 #92
Y'know who was the first blogger to emphasize the Russian connection? JCannon Mar 2017 #55
Next time share the link of the original post. bathroommonkey76 Mar 2017 #18
Oh lord... JCannon Mar 2017 #25
All that from the number 20 Progressive dog Mar 2017 #21
Bizarre that you're reading something nefarious into his 20committee handle yodermon Mar 2017 #23
Thanks yodermon! n/t JustAnotherGen Mar 2017 #28
I swear, all of a sudden, I miss Octafish. nt msanthrope Mar 2017 #31
Me too! JustAnotherGen Mar 2017 #36
Octafish would have taken better-sourced jabs. But yeah....the Purity Concerns raised here miss the msanthrope Mar 2017 #38
Here's something - Paul Roderick Gregory JustAnotherGen Mar 2017 #49
Gregor is writing utter, and easily disproveable nonsense....in 2011, Trump was a candidate..... msanthrope Mar 2017 #53
Adam Khan? His stuff is in depth. dem4decades Mar 2017 #54
Yes, his tweets provide quite a lot to do further research. KittyWampus Mar 2017 #67
Thanks for bringing that to my attention. JCannon Mar 2017 #35
Who is the well-known writer? msanthrope Mar 2017 #40
Thomas C. Theiner ? OKNancy Mar 2017 #47
This is the first I've heard of Theiner JCannon Mar 2017 #56
Mensch and Schindler i still take with a huge grain of salt given their conservative bona fides yodermon Mar 2017 #61
Has anyone ever believed that Ilsa Mar 2017 #24
I'm with Louise Mensch on this - n/t JustAnotherGen Mar 2017 #26
It is sometimes very smart to make COMMON CAUSE against a mutual enemy. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #30
Mensch & Schindler's work has been very beguiling. Surely, though annabanana Mar 2017 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author -Steph- Mar 2017 #37
Schindler and Mensch put their names to their work. Do you? Renew Deal Mar 2017 #39
Of course. Do YOU? JCannon Mar 2017 #46
I want your aunts blood type and a hair from each of your dogs. Renew Deal Mar 2017 #58
You realize that nobody here knows you, right? GliderGuider Mar 2017 #70
But they have a BLOG! KittyWampus Mar 2017 #80
My argument speaks for itself JCannon Mar 2017 #95
your 'argument' is largely a conspiracy around the name "20 Committee" and Schindler himself KittyWampus Mar 2017 #98
Yes, that is my privilege. GliderGuider Mar 2017 #100
As long as their allegations continue to be proven later by fact Mr. Ected Mar 2017 #44
this . . .n/t annabanana Mar 2017 #59
Schindler has been fierce critic of Assange/Wikileaks for years and defender of NSA wishstar Mar 2017 #48
Please do not tell ME kpete Mar 2017 #50
I'm reccing this because of the note of caution it sounds about Schindler and Mensch, Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #51
So, the long game is simply to Ilsa Mar 2017 #60
No matter what I read or hear .. ananda Mar 2017 #63
A newcomer trying to discredit two people who have actually been fairly accurate exposing Trump KittyWampus Mar 2017 #64
Makes plausible sense and given the track record....... nolabels Mar 2017 #66
Wow! Only 24 posts and full of Russian and Wikileaks talking points! Koinos Mar 2017 #68
Well said. GliderGuider Mar 2017 #71
Thank you. Koinos Mar 2017 #76
100% GliderGuider Mar 2017 #79
I agree with everything you say. Koinos Mar 2017 #83
THIS... nt pkdu Mar 2017 #86
Louise mensch is a laughingstock in the UK PaulaFarrell Mar 2017 #72
As was said above, GliderGuider Mar 2017 #84
Her only agenda is herself PaulaFarrell Mar 2017 #90
One blogger, casting asparagus on a couple of other bloggers. MineralMan Mar 2017 #73
It's hugh. Series, even. nt msanthrope Mar 2017 #103
Excellent and important info flamingdem Mar 2017 #74
hokey net journalism bigtree Mar 2017 #75
Sorry, Milo saidsimplesimon Mar 2017 #82
Nah Schindler seems very anti-Russian, anti-Snowden and anti-wiki leaks TNLib Mar 2017 #87
Thank you blogslut Mar 2017 #89
The OP made a conspiracy out of the name "20 Committee" and it was explained by someone posting KittyWampus Mar 2017 #93
Not to mention her FISA warrant scoop GliderGuider Mar 2017 #97
Caution is the point peggysue2 Mar 2017 #94
We are all cautious now riverwalker Mar 2017 #96
Yeah, grain of salt. No, shit, we get it. hatrack Mar 2017 #101
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