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zeemike

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38. Agreed ...that is what must be done.

Fri Jun 29, 2012, 08:08 AM

Jun 2012

And the barriers to doing that is by confusing the issues and the right wing control of the media...who tell us things that don't matter or are complete lies...they want to focus on anything but fair elections.

I would love to see a protest in front of the county election officials office demanding that they junk the machines and have paper ballots counted precinct by precinct and in the open with any observer allowed to watch...and the results posted for all to see....in other words open elections.
But that does not happen because we are fragmented by single issues and have no leadership with a goal that matches free elections...that really should unify us all.
Divide and conquer is the tactic that is used and it works.

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Was the 2004 Presidential Election Stolen Too? [View all] Time for change Jun 2012 OP

I Believe OH Iggy Jun 2012 #1

I would like to hear your theory (nt) bigwillq Jun 2012 #16

Greg Palast said it was Ohio and New Mexico: Rhiannon12866 Jun 2012 #36

Good work -if anything of the U.S. survives in decades ahead, perhaps some of this "actual history" villager Jun 2012 #2

Of course it was.... Rosco T. Jun 2012 #3

Yes nobodyspecial Jun 2012 #4

K&R DJ13 Jun 2012 #5

Pope...Catholic. Bear...woods. WinkyDink Jun 2012 #6

Great information. Thanks. crazylikafox Jun 2012 #7

Yes Dragonfli Jun 2012 #8

yes. barbtries Jun 2012 #9

A horrific thing to realize ailsagirl Jun 2012 #20

Yes but the gop did it by releasing the exit polls early, giving Kerry a win early in the day applegrove Jun 2012 #10

The GOP didn't release the exit polls, and neither they nor their lackies in the Time for change Jun 2012 #13

Conspiracy my ass CountAllVotes Jun 2012 #14

I am so buying this book. FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #11

It was rigged. I watched and I remember it well. lindysalsagal Jun 2012 #12

If there are archives you can search Doremus Jun 2012 #15

Thank you. Time for change Jun 2012 #47

the right wing movement is a giant paper tiger... all fluff fascisthunter Jun 2012 #17

Of course it was. Blue_In_AK Jun 2012 #18

Definitely ailsagirl Jun 2012 #19

Yes, the 2004 elections were stolen. tabatha Jun 2012 #21

Yes. I cover that in Chapter 4, Time for change Jun 2012 #41

Yep Eddie Haskell Jun 2012 #46

What a crock! Do your research and check your facts. Coyotl Jul 2012 #66

Yes it was...and many here said it back then. zeemike Jun 2012 #22

Don Siegelman mentioned the 2000 election theft, around 2002 I believe. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #34

Agreed ...that is what must be done. zeemike Jun 2012 #38

I've said much the same thing about the absurdity of allowing private corporations to Time for change Jun 2012 #42

They need to organize then, and plan a virtual blitz of attacks on those machines sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #44

Wasn't Ohio Blackwell's gift to George Bush? He did promise to deliver it.. if you recall. n/t progressivebydesign Jun 2012 #23

That was Walden O'Dell, the CEO of Diebold Time for change Jun 2012 #25

Yes it was. Ohio flipped all of a sudden. Zoeisright Jun 2012 #24

screen shots that caught vote switching in Cincinnati & Toledo Botany Jun 2012 #26

Nothing concrete but ... slipslidingaway Jun 2012 #27

The writing was on the wall. Rember that one? Ellipsis Jun 2012 #28

Are you talking about the Hocking County technician? Time for change Jun 2012 #45

The one working on the Triad machines? Time for change Jun 2012 #49

Based on the last 12 years, I'm going to guess EVERY election will have accusations... progress2k12nbynd Jun 2012 #29

I think it discredits Mitovsky's report not to have included this fact: sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #30

God only knows! To give him the benefit of the doubt, it was a very poorly written and sloppy report Time for change Jun 2012 #32

Or he doesn't want to lose his job as exit pollster to the masses . . . nt MrTwister Jun 2012 #43

YESSSSSSSSS! burrowowl Jun 2012 #31

Cleveland friends who worked the polls talked of massive numbers. knitter4democracy Jun 2012 #33

I believe there is good evidence that this was the most important trick used to steal Time for change Jun 2012 #37

That's really all I have, but sure. knitter4democracy Jun 2012 #63

The trick was too simple to believe, just move the punch card ballots to the next precinct and Kerry Coyotl Jul 2012 #67

Greg Palast published this 11/4/04: Rhiannon12866 Jun 2012 #35

Palast brings up some excellent points Time for change Jun 2012 #40

I witnessed a DRE flipping votes in Florida in 2004... Sancho Jun 2012 #39

. CleanLucre Jun 2012 #48

Short answer, yes. Of course. MrSlayer Jun 2012 #50

Except that I believe there's a lot we can learn from it -- Time for change Jun 2012 #54

No doubt. MrSlayer Jun 2012 #57

This information is critical - imo there's no point in bothering... polichick Jun 2012 #51

It has long been a mystery to me why the Democratic Party hasn't tried more to counteract this Time for change Jun 2012 #58

I don't know, but their acceptance of election "irregularities" and receipt-free voting... polichick Jun 2012 #62

I've written a lot about the 2004 election and issues with elections. stevenleser Jun 2012 #52

Thank you -- I will take a look at them Time for change Jun 2012 #59

An excellent piece of scholarship... joycejnr Jun 2012 #53

Thank you Time for change Jun 2012 #60

K&R. It certainly was. I remember being right here as it happened. Overseas Jun 2012 #55

Yes, if you've ever taken a statistics course, it's screamingly obvious it was systematically stolen diane in sf Jun 2012 #56

Remember election night? Bush summoned the press up to the residence DefenseLawyer Jun 2012 #61

Has Kerry ever called it a stolen election? Marzupialis Jun 2012 #64

Yes. n/t Greybnk48 Jun 2012 #65