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alarimer

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6. Other countries manage to do it.

Thu Mar 9, 2017, 05:41 PM

Mar 2017

I don't see why we can't.

Well, we can't because people bitch about taxes. It is true that taxes in those countries are arguably higher, but I'd say that is because too many people here don't pay enough taxes (corporations, rich people). My insurance (through my employer) is something like $5000 in premiums alone. To say nothing of out of pocket expenses, which for me are not much so far.

Still, I cannot believe that any tax increase to cover single payer would be $5000 a year. It just wouldn't because of economies of scale and not having to provide profit for the insurance companies. And of course we wouldn't have out of pocket costs either.

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Mark Cuban's Healthcare Fix: We Need a Single-Payer System [View all] Kaotic Mar 2017 OP

No need for health insurance companies AT ALL. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #1

Right! Only To make the rich richer and the poor poorer Alice11111 Mar 2017 #8

You are conditioned to accept certaing things as normal. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #11

Right, but we have the greatest health care in the world, Alice11111 Mar 2017 #14

What kind of thinking? Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #18

We were never a pure capitalist country anyway. Alice11111 Mar 2017 #19

I'd like to dance on the grave of the health insurance business model.... mike_c Mar 2017 #2

May I have this dance? Alice11111 Mar 2017 #9

Perfect solution for 45's "I'll do it better and cheaper." Hortensis Mar 2017 #3

Costs WILL NOT go down while the Insurance industry is involved... Wounded Bear Mar 2017 #4

This plan would shift the burden of the most expensive treatments to a non-profit gov't program Kaotic Mar 2017 #5

More government control could reduce the amount spent on those things scscholar Mar 2017 #21

The middle man sucking $$ from both ends...patients & Alice11111 Mar 2017 #7

We have gov't run defense, law enforcement & judicial system to protect citizens... Kaotic Mar 2017 #13

For sure. Alice11111 Mar 2017 #16

Sad. But we ARE being taken over be Russia. madinmaryland Mar 2017 #22

They are facilitating it, because of the deals they made, Alice11111 Mar 2017 #24

Other countries manage to do it. alarimer Mar 2017 #6

Taxes are part of it metalbot Mar 2017 #12

I'm sure if implementation took, say, 10 years they would have time to switch those funds. alarimer Mar 2017 #15

As it is, many insurance companies are in the Medicare TexasBushwhacker Mar 2017 #26

Insurance could be like schools, as it is in other countries. Alice11111 Mar 2017 #27

Single Payer is also not the only option. alarimer Mar 2017 #38

I agree. There are other options, andMedicare expansion, Alice11111 Mar 2017 #40

DURec leftstreet Mar 2017 #10

What do you mean "chronic"? What is "life-threatening"? JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2017 #17

Paul Ryan wallows in that shit. Alice11111 Mar 2017 #28

The health insurance industry will never stand for it. mn9driver Mar 2017 #20

People complain about insurance industry jobs that will be lost kacekwl Mar 2017 #23

The Insurance industry played ball which is why Obamacare passed. n/t PoliticAverse Mar 2017 #33

Agree, unless we can get our toe in with a public option... Alice11111 Mar 2017 #29

Wow - great series of comments, Alice11111 (5?) erronis Mar 2017 #32

Thank you. "Caring will end when the bank account Alice11111 Mar 2017 #34

Looks like somebody's got Presidentitis March 4th Mar 2017 #25

He can be a hot head but he's actually quite smart having come up from nothing he has a big clue NotThisTime Mar 2017 #36

We need single payer. warmfeet Mar 2017 #30

Actually, the USA got alzheimers. Alice11111 Mar 2017 #35

Too true, unfortunately. warmfeet Mar 2017 #41

Hope, the people, the press, and for a bit, the courts, Alice11111 Mar 2017 #42

I don't give up, warmfeet Mar 2017 #43

"There would be no individual penalties." - I'm pretty sure if you didn't pay your taxes there'd be PoliticAverse Mar 2017 #31

Single Payer System is the best ever. It is what we have in Canada and it works well. akbacchus_BC Mar 2017 #37

Are any Canadians taking in Americans? Alice11111 Mar 2017 #44

Why Mention Taxes, Mark? ProfessorGAC Mar 2017 #39

They like the phrase "tax benefit" or "tax deduction" Alice11111 Mar 2017 #45

We had one proposed in 2009. Anyone remember that? Initech Mar 2017 #46