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mountain grammy

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177. Good points and well made.

Fri Mar 10, 2017, 11:00 AM

Mar 2017

First, I have to say, I have so much hatred for trump voters, I couldn't even bring myself to respond to this OP. Then I got a jury call, and, as a Bernie, then Hillary supporter, decided to weigh in, for whatever it's worth.

You're right. Last night I endured an evening with people I know voted for trump. This was only the second time since the election I've done this. Are these people racist? I never thought that before, but it's hard to accept that they would support one, or at least it has been for me. I just can't get past it. At both of these parties, I stayed mainly with people I relate to, non trump supporters, several of them Republicans, no less, and that's what got me thinking. I disagree with these R's on almost everything except trump, and his dangerous cabinet. Some trump voters I know never voted before in their lives. No understanding of politics at all, so they were conned. Can I understand that? Not really, but it's reality and I can't live my life avoiding everyone, and these are the ones we can reach. We also must reach out to those who don't vote and especially those who couldn't. Voter suppression is real, and, in my opinion, why we lost.

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Bernie To Dems: Stop Neglecting Trump Voters! [View all] Bigredhunk Mar 2017 OP

I am sorry nycbos Mar 2017 #1

I am sorry DefenseLawyer Mar 2017 #8

True that. I think many have buyer's remorse. Woo them back. n/t Beartracks Mar 2017 #30

Very well said. Rather than shrink the pool of possible Democratic voters, guillaumeb Mar 2017 #76

Unless we decide to hate them even more fervently Tiggeroshii Mar 2017 #134

Maybe they need to reach out to us... lame54 Mar 2017 #175

Just not true because many areas that went overwhelmingly for Obama twice, switched to trump. That manicraven Mar 2017 #31

Exactly. They voted for Obama twice but suddenly they're racists? SMC22307 Mar 2017 #63

They voted for... tonedevil Mar 2017 #77

Some did, not all. SMC22307 Mar 2017 #81

No, all did. Every one of them. Orrex Mar 2017 #107

Consider the source of their news, though. JudyM Mar 2017 #158

I see very little to suggest that they are potential voters next time around Orrex Mar 2017 #172

Recognizing that a decent chunk of the voters have a below-average IQ (more on 45's side than not), JudyM Mar 2017 #182

Great analysis. However I do think we can peel away a bit more than 5% of Deplorables. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #203

At what point... tonedevil Mar 2017 #208

You paint with a broad brush and in so doing deny the details. KPN Mar 2017 #137

No I can not... tonedevil Mar 2017 #207

I hear you and understand you. At the same time, I don't agree with your position KPN Mar 2017 #217

Ninety three percent of Obama voters voted for Hillary. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #82

With your attitude, Democrats will get NO WHERE, EVER. elleng Mar 2017 #44

Exactly! Democrats will be a lost party into the future. Democrats need to support everyone. Trump RKP5637 Mar 2017 #51

Yes indeed. elleng Mar 2017 #57

Dump did NOT mislead them NastyRiffraff Mar 2017 #199

You're into Reality.. nothing wrong with that Attitude. Cha Mar 2017 #126

Hillary only got the votes of 2/3rds of Asians and Hispanics. Yo_Mama Mar 2017 #205

Yup this nt riderinthestorm Mar 2017 #219

Cause Russia had nothing to do with Clinton's loss? I'm sick of the ignore Russia crowd uponit7771 Mar 2017 #2

And, comey.. and voter Purging and Suppression.. Cha Mar 2017 #73

how quickly they forget. by 2020 it will be ancient history. nt TheFrenchRazor Mar 2017 #97

It's weird, isn't it. But I guess it's hard for people to accept they were manipulated by wikileaks bettyellen Mar 2017 #115

Some of us are sick of the everything is hunky dory, Hillary/we won the popular vote crowd. KPN Mar 2017 #139

Strawman... No one is even attempting to feign perfection but you. Just not going to ignore reality uponit7771 Mar 2017 #180

No it's not. If there is a straw man, it's that KPN Mar 2017 #191

Another strawman, no one is saying the only reason she lost was cheating but you uponit7771 Mar 2017 #193

BS -- you aren't reading many posts then. KPN Mar 2017 #194

Im reading yours and the minimizing of Russia's effect on the election uponit7771 Mar 2017 #195

BS again. I have never minimized any of that stuff ... KPN Mar 2017 #196

False in its face, your strawmen ... Not mine uponit7771 Mar 2017 #197

Okay, you win. KPN Mar 2017 #198

No, putting all the eggs in the Russia basket is a mistake. alarimer Mar 2017 #166

We agree, that's why they had Comey and voter suppression as a back up uponit7771 Mar 2017 #181

Sanders means well .. ananda Mar 2017 #3

+1 bluedye33139 Mar 2017 #40

There are a small percent of them we might be able to peel off, maybe 10% -20%. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #85

Even 10% would be plenty. Jim Lane Mar 2017 #112

I don't suggest calling them Deplorables to their face. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #114

When you call them that on a public board, you're calling them that to their faces. (n/t) Jim Lane Mar 2017 #124

Censoring myself is not something I can do. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #155

I disagree. Some are lost causes, but many are not. KPN Mar 2017 #140

Hekate to Bernie:YOU take care of the Trump voters!The rest of us are hanging on by our fingernails Hekate Mar 2017 #4

Does he mean grovel and apologize? I'm not taking the post that way. manicraven Mar 2017 #33

They WON. They got everything they thought they wanted. Sorest bunch of winners in the land. Hekate Mar 2017 #62

Bernie is taking care of their feelings. He's going to them with the message the Democratic Party KPN Mar 2017 #143

We never did live in an idyllic world nolabels Mar 2017 #152

It would have been 5 million but for voter suppression Cary Mar 2017 #34

Yep. It should be unacceptable. kerry-is-my-prez Mar 2017 #50

HELL yes! Hekate Mar 2017 #52

Hekate to Bernie:YOU take care of the Trump voters!The rest of us are hanging on by our fingernails. LenaBaby61 Mar 2017 #54

We have the superior product Cary Mar 2017 #74

Mahalo Hekate.. we don't need any more lectures from BS.. Tom & Keith have this.. Cha Mar 2017 #127

+1 Skidmore Mar 2017 #169

You're Welcome, Skidmore Cha Mar 2017 #171

That's BS. Nobody wants you or anyone to grovel to anybody. You know that. KPN Mar 2017 #142

Has he lost his mind? bravenak Mar 2017 #5

Just what we need right now, more friendly fire, just what the doctor ordered. JHan Mar 2017 #56

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So you think any suggestion of how to improve our tactics is "attacking us"? Jim Lane Mar 2017 #86

Oh. So I should try to kowtow to folks who voted to deport my relatives, because????? bravenak Mar 2017 #95

No. What you should do is stop with the idiotic straw-man arguments. Jim Lane Mar 2017 #102

There are several responses a liberal can make towards trump voters JHan Mar 2017 #116

Of those responses, I reject pandering. I also reject dismissing and ignoring. Jim Lane Mar 2017 #135

No it was not a strawman.. JHan Mar 2017 #141

You've misunderstood my argument about the straw man Jim Lane Mar 2017 #211

I know we agree on the basics but the point is focus: JHan Mar 2017 #212

Great post! Right on., Thanks for taking the time to articulate that so well. KPN Mar 2017 #145

Good points and well made. mountain grammy Mar 2017 #177

Like we need any lectures from BS.. Tom & Keith got this Cha Mar 2017 #129

No. KPN Mar 2017 #144

STFU! Perez and Ellison only just got started. KittyWampus Mar 2017 #6

Bernie, a request. kstewart33 Mar 2017 #7

+1 bluedye33139 Mar 2017 #42

Why? Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #69

Good question. KPN Mar 2017 #146

+1000. Paladin Mar 2017 #93

What am I supposed to do for them? world wide wally Mar 2017 #9

Yes DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #10

Lulz nt Quayblue Mar 2017 #46

this..nt heaven05 Mar 2017 #80

There was probably a time standingtall Mar 2017 #11

They hate brown people, Bernie. Adrahil Mar 2017 #12

50 state strategy. Thought it was popular. bunnies Mar 2017 #13

And it will be again Cirque du So-What Mar 2017 #17

Howard Dean actually implemented that strategy but many Sanders supporters turned on him KittyWampus Mar 2017 #27

Dean was very good as the DNC chair. Caliman73 Mar 2017 #48

Do you really want allies to 'shut up'? Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #70

Allies do not constantly trash sheshe2 Mar 2017 #83

What if what he is saying is absolutely correct? Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #90

Constantly trashing our DEMOCRATIC PARTY is not the way to go. sheshe2 Mar 2017 #94

Sanders statement wasn't so harsh... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #98

He did not "want to cut social security". bettyellen Mar 2017 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Mar 2017 #147

That is a false BainsBane Mar 2017 #167

Yep Go Vols Mar 2017 #213

He sees Democratic lawmakers everyday BainsBane Mar 2017 #165

Yeah, me too gratuitous Mar 2017 #19

You make a good point. I was 100% behind Hillary in the Primary Blue_true Mar 2017 #39

True that Lotusflower70 Mar 2017 #84

I think you're mistaken. lapucelle Mar 2017 #128

+1!!! THIS Dustlawyer Mar 2017 #60

Interesting observations Lotusflower70 Mar 2017 #87

Agree! mountain grammy Mar 2017 #179

I agree Johonny Mar 2017 #21

No, they're not. At least not all of them. SMC22307 Mar 2017 #61

who said it wasn't? And when Howard Dean entered the 'race' for DNC chair KittyWampus Mar 2017 #26

Another good point. If we spend more time and resources Blue_true Mar 2017 #64

Exactly - everyone on this freaking board was a fan of this approach bullwinkle428 Mar 2017 #168

But Bernie said it so... bunnies Mar 2017 #186

whatever... stillcool Mar 2017 #14

Love ya Bern, but we're in the middle of a street-fight right now... VOX Mar 2017 #15

When they stop ignoring themselves, then I will stop ignoring them. nikibatts Mar 2017 #16

Of course that's not actually what he said melman Mar 2017 #18

- Bigredhunk Mar 2017 #24

No. sheshe2 Mar 2017 #88

- Bigredhunk Mar 2017 #121

Huff is known for sensationalizing an article on their front page. sheshe2 Mar 2017 #122

- Bigredhunk Mar 2017 #123

And, thank you for that, Bigredhunk Cha Mar 2017 #125

just read the whole piece. Sanders has a whole spiel quoted where he attacks the Democratic party. KittyWampus Mar 2017 #29

Post removed Post removed Mar 2017 #55

Completely Agree Occulus onyxw Mar 2017 #119

Are there not enough voters with common sense and brain cells? ecstatic Mar 2017 #20

Exactly! Phoenix61 Mar 2017 #104

There are legit reasons to speak to the swing voters who went for Trump. Dawson Leery Mar 2017 #22

Agreed. The true Pro-Trump voters will likely never vote Democratic. Freethinker65 Mar 2017 #45

I don't disagree with him TexasBushwhacker Mar 2017 #23

I agree. The people who voted for Obama (some twice) are not racist. They just had not felt any of manicraven Mar 2017 #41

Nope sorry. sheshe2 Mar 2017 #91

So we cede the PNW, New England, Minnesota and Colorado? cemaphonic Mar 2017 #136

That's a good way to keep losing, mathematically. alarimer Mar 2017 #170

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Ok. How do we love them? Let's count the ways: (1) Build the wall, (2) Kill Obamacare, (3) ... dalton99a Mar 2017 #28

Simmer down, folks, he's calling for the 50 state strategy Warpy Mar 2017 #32

Which Democrat is not aware we need a 50 state strategy? Hasn't Ellison and Perez talked about this? JHan Mar 2017 #35

Has Perez actually done anything about it? Warpy Mar 2017 #37

When was the vote* again? JHan Mar 2017 #43

Perez and Ellison are touring together starting on March 24th. JTFrog Mar 2017 #65

Thank you, Frog! Cha Mar 2017 #72

You don't know what you're talking about.. please try to keep up and quit Cha Mar 2017 #71

I insulted no one. I asked if he's done anything about it. Warpy Mar 2017 #99

you haven't been paying attention or you wouldn't have thrown your Cha Mar 2017 #106

I see. You'd rather insult than answer. Warpy Mar 2017 #109

You're the one who insulted Tom Perez and Keith Ellison.. I've been keeping Cha Mar 2017 #110

Perez is a life-long Democrat who is now DNC chair. LuvLoogie Mar 2017 #75

Some here dislike ideas that work when they come from a particular source Occulus Mar 2017 #59

Oh do they? what ideas are those? For our Cha Mar 2017 #151

No standingtall Mar 2017 #38

Umm...that's not correct. Studies are stating otherwise. manicraven Mar 2017 #49

False standingtall Mar 2017 #53

"only 7 percent of Obama voters flipped to support Trump, and the real number could be even less" dalton99a Mar 2017 #58

Yes! Spot on! We lost 910 seats! We do need better outreach! manicraven Mar 2017 #47

Post removed Post removed Mar 2017 #79

Consider the worst Democrat in office right now, Manchin (D-WV) Warpy Mar 2017 #103

Democrats Tom Perez and Keith Ellison have this.. I'm Cha Mar 2017 #89

+1000000! SammyWinstonJack Mar 2017 #111

yeah okay. JHan Mar 2017 #36

Glad to see you agree. SMC22307 Mar 2017 #66

Most people do, there's already an acknowledgement we need to become a party of local government... JHan Mar 2017 #68

I prefer a party that doesn't value a few thousand white male Republicans BainsBane Mar 2017 #159

I agree with Senator Sanders - Dems need to be in the red states as well. Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #67

Tom and Keith have this.. Democrats Perez, Ellison embark on unity tour Cha Mar 2017 #78

Democrats HAVE neglected parts of this country democrank Mar 2017 #92

Maybe Trump voters should show some reasons why they should be paid attention to! hrmjustin Mar 2017 #101

I bet most people calling for us liquid diamond Mar 2017 #105

Well said. What we need to go after the 47% who didn't vote for one reason or another still_one Mar 2017 #113

NO!!!. Everyone who voted for trump knew he was a racist, sexist, and xenophobe, and they still_one Mar 2017 #108

There are plenty of people who voted for Obama and chose tRump. Should we give up on their future JudyM Mar 2017 #164

The future isn't a trump supporter. The 47% who didn't vote are still_one Mar 2017 #178

So voting for 45 is a litmus test for voters we should appeal to? Forget the ones who voted Obama? JudyM Mar 2017 #183

Where we need to focus is on the 47% who didn't bother to vote. That is where still_one Mar 2017 #184

Yawn. Starry Messenger Mar 2017 #118

I don't want anything to do with them gwheezie Mar 2017 #120

Good Thread CitizenZero Mar 2017 #130

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They voted for Trump. It's just a normal mistake anybody makes. Like dropping a baby on its' head. Tiggeroshii Mar 2017 #132

Hey Bernie! Stop worrying about Trump voters and worry about Russia for a change leftofcool Mar 2017 #133

I can worry about more than one thing -- and Bernie is smarter than I am. (n/t) Jim Lane Mar 2017 #138

This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Mar 2017 #162

I have never heard Bernie mention Russian interference BainsBane Mar 2017 #163

And we have yet ANOTHER straw man. Jim Lane Mar 2017 #210

Let BS go after the racist, misogynistic, homophobes.. Our Dems are doing Cha Mar 2017 #150

Preach the truth Bernie! KPN Mar 2017 #148

Is Bernie ever going to mention the million or so BainsBane Mar 2017 #161

You create a false choice. In my opinion, KPN Mar 2017 #188

You go after those racist, homophobic, misogynistic, bigoted, assholes, BS.. Our Cha Mar 2017 #149

He needs to come to the NJ -7th district JustAnotherGen Mar 2017 #153

I'm uninterested in what a white, male, non-Dem Senator from a racially-homogenized state has to msanthrope Mar 2017 #154

It's a fair point. 50-state strategy was the way to go. Orsino Mar 2017 #156

I don't know, he couldn't even get his BoBers to vote for the Democrat, not seeing seaglass Mar 2017 #157

Isn't that the truth. BainsBane Mar 2017 #160

Good point kcr Mar 2017 #174

+1 Jamaal510 Mar 2017 #216

I don't have to give bigotry a chance. ismnotwasm Mar 2017 #173

The position he has that he's presumably using for all of these "town halls" and appearances... George II Mar 2017 #176

You're correct! It's NOT going to work... NurseJackie Mar 2017 #185

pretty clear to me forjusticethunders Mar 2017 #204

I do not disagree with you at all. NurseJackie Mar 2017 #209

So, according to the good Senator, I am to extend heaven05 Mar 2017 #187

+1,000,000,000 ismnotwasm Mar 2017 #189

you are welcome heaven05 Mar 2017 #221

+1000 sheshe2 Mar 2017 #218

thank you heaven05 Mar 2017 #220

Trump voters are racist haters and religious fanatics workinclasszero Mar 2017 #190

A number of them are single issue voters. Anti-choice being a major culprit. ismnotwasm Mar 2017 #192

Bingo workinclasszero Mar 2017 #214

It's strategy, not sympathy! LAS14 Mar 2017 #200

Only progressive policies can save us now Fluke a Snooker Mar 2017 #201

Christ, not this shit again... Nope, sorry... Blue_Tires Mar 2017 #202

I don't want to neglect them MFM008 Mar 2017 #206

After they pulled this shit yesterday? Hell no!! Initech Mar 2017 #215

How Many of Us Say These Things on Consrvative Sites? Tom the Mechanic Mar 2017 #222

K and R Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2017 #223