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AtheistCrusader

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28. Ok, but F&F didn't use tactics started under the previous admin.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 11:16 AM
Jun 2012

Not using Mexican authorities on the other side of the border to 'catch' the guns, or even telling them that the operation was under way, is a wholly new tactic, and basically resulted in those guns actually walking away completely. Thousands of them.

They may belong in the same file folder, but they are very different programs.

What would be very interesting is if Issa voted in favor with any provisions at that time that the program would involve 'blindly' walking guns into Mexico without Mexican authorities knowing about it. A tactic that might make sense knowing that the Mexican police and military are infiltrated by the cartels. However, if you're going to do something like that, you need additional safeguards in place to ensure the guns don't actually 'walk', or if they do, they don't function. (there are some extremely entertaining tactics we used in Vietnam around this sort of problem)

Again, I think too much is being made of Holder's involvement, and I doubt bad intentions were in play, but Holder has sort of shot himself in the foot a couple times here. Submitting hundreds of blanked out pages to satisfy the subpoena, farting around, careless statements... He's not doing a very competent job of defending himself or his department, and that is sad.

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Kick with edit for DOJ Full release SunsetDreams Jun 2012 #1
Great response from Holder. K&R! highplainsdem Jun 2012 #2
To hold this congress in contempt SCVDem Jun 2012 #3
So this will not distract Holder from going after State-approved medical-marijuana dispensaries? AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #4
That's not in his statement SunsetDreams Jun 2012 #6
His statement includes exactly what was quoted: AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #9
His statement does not include what you suggest SunsetDreams Jun 2012 #10
His own conduct suggested the question. If he did not have a strong history of going after AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #13
Technically, it is. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #18
Up here near San Jose they shut down a couple of ginormeous green house growers no local at all. xtraxritical Jun 2012 #21
Is anyone running against Issa in the next election? abelenkpe Jun 2012 #5
Yes Jerry Tetalman SunsetDreams Jun 2012 #15
Thank you! abelenkpe Jun 2012 #19
Please give me a name, I live in his district. xtraxritical Jun 2012 #22
Here: Rhiannon12866 Jun 2012 #27
Issa losing his seat would be nice, I think efforts should toddwv Jun 2012 #30
I agree! abelenkpe Jun 2012 #31
Excellent response! Spazito Jun 2012 #7
k&r... spanone Jun 2012 #8
K & R Scurrilous Jun 2012 #11
He's still claiming there was a program when there wasn't. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2012 #12
Suprise! Suprise! The ops began in the previous administration! Who'd of thought! Dont call me Shirley Jun 2012 #14
That's not true. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #20
True. The story would be a good one, if it were not for the facts. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #23
ALL if it falls under 'Project Gunrunner' which started in 2005 Tx4obama Jun 2012 #25
Ok, but F&F didn't use tactics started under the previous admin. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #28
kick SunsetDreams Jun 2012 #16
Keep kicked goclark Jun 2012 #17
Thanks :) SunsetDreams Jun 2012 #24
K&R! Rhiannon12866 Jun 2012 #26
K&R for a great response dgauss Jun 2012 #29
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