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Tom Rinaldo

(23,195 posts)
13. Danger: Don't. Go. There.
Fri Mar 10, 2017, 01:57 PM
Mar 2017

There was plenty of negative propaganda spread about Hillary, all true. And, as Bernie always said, she would have been "light years" better as president than Trump. But every candidate, and by extension those who help nominate him or her, have to take responsibility for any weaknesses of that candidate. That is what the realm of competition known as politics centers around. Who can win enough support to win an election?

There were things that Hillary herself did that contributed to some of the negative feelings some had about her. She herself admitted that she didn't initially handle the private email server controversy as well as she should have. She ran knowing full well that she was under investigation by the FBI which is always problematic for any candidate for any office and she was in the public eye for months while underneath that cloud. While Hillary was initially cleared from any prosecution before she won the nomination, her conduct still received scathing criticism from the FBI Director and that was on public record before Democrats nominated Hillary. She also spent much of her time after she left the State Department, before she declared for President, courting Wall Street for money, millions upon millions of it. There is nothing illegal about it and it did not in any way establish that she might have become beholden to them as a result of that. But it did little to exactly polish her image as a fierce defender of the little guy and gal against powerful corporate special interests, free from divided loyalties in that regard. And this was an election year when perceptions about being part of or apart from the status quo mattered.

I supported Hillary in public and voted for her in the privacy of my polling booth, but blaming her soft degree of widespread popularity - which was apparent from low approval numbers dating back from a year before the election, on Bernie Sanders who went out and campaigned for her is counter productive now. Which is the only reason why I am writing this. Bernie is fighting on our team. This OP reflects that. Hilary is starting to speak out more again now, which is also good.

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Sanders: 'Despair is not an option' [View all] struggle4progress Mar 2017 OP
Post removed Post removed Mar 2017 #1
Nonsense, Hillary is responsible for Hillary. dogman Mar 2017 #2
Ridiculous comment. Trump voters werent considering voting for Hillary. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #3
And many Bernie supporters voted for Hillary. dogman Mar 2017 #5
Some did, some didnt. Most of them though bad mouthed her non stop Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #6
But you are here bashing Bernie and his supporters, not non-voters. dogman Mar 2017 #8
You may need to rethink your approach if you want to beat the other side. Cha Mar 2017 #38
I voted for the Democratic Candidate for President. dogman Mar 2017 #42
Oh yes.. and she was our Candidate against trump.. our firewall. Cha Mar 2017 #37
It was the fault of the many voters who did not vote. LanternWaste Mar 2017 #7
So only Bernie voters are to blame? n/t dogman Mar 2017 #10
Post removed Post removed Mar 2017 #12
Completely wrong. When I build a website and people don't visit Occulus Mar 2017 #22
Those who didn't own a chunk of trump.. that's on them.. they cared Cha Mar 2017 #40
Good lord. I have never seen a politician(s supporters) so butt hurt over a primary race ProfessorPlum Mar 2017 #27
Two points, to specifically address what you said above (so this isn't alerted... George II Mar 2017 #45
Are you going to... tonedevil Mar 2017 #41
I bet you believe that Nader jrthin Mar 2017 #14
No, votes belong to voters, no one else. dogman Mar 2017 #20
I supported Hillary the wholeway. Blue_true Mar 2017 #29
His supporters will jrthin Mar 2017 #9
Somebody needs to sit in the back of the room and throw good ideas at the bad ones Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #11
Exactly. n/t jrthin Mar 2017 #19
Or she should have seen the damage she had done to her campaign and dropped out. dogman Mar 2017 #23
No, she shouldn't have. Cha Mar 2017 #44
Of course not. dogman Mar 2017 #47
Be careful, your post could be hidden. Blue_true Mar 2017 #31
Oh, but that wasn't an option. Cha Mar 2017 #39
Danger: Don't. Go. There. Tom Rinaldo Mar 2017 #13
Bullshit. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #15
I feel no need to comment on your incisive analysis n/t Tom Rinaldo Mar 2017 #16
Bookmarking for 2018 when we lose more seats. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #18
Which is more likely as you belittle more voters. dogman Mar 2017 #21
All of what you say may be jrthin Mar 2017 #17
Reasonable people can disagree on that. I grant you that Tom Rinaldo Mar 2017 #24
I disagree ProfessorPlum Mar 2017 #28
Hillary made her share of mistakes. Blue_true Mar 2017 #32
Completely agree with this insight. Tatiana Mar 2017 #46
I was just thinking the same thing ! Wonder if he feels any guilt - think he should - and I voted Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2017 #25
At the end of the day, the buck stops with the candidate. PatsFan87 Mar 2017 #26
Hillary made some mistakes. Blue_true Mar 2017 #33
It's important to remain vigilant Blue_Tires Mar 2017 #4
Despair is not an option ProudLib72 Mar 2017 #30
What I think is happening is people can't admit some mistakes. Blue_true Mar 2017 #34
But it should be a moot point ProudLib72 Mar 2017 #35
No, it isn't an option gratuitous Mar 2017 #36
We have Democrats Tom Perez and Keith Ellison working for us.. Of course I'm Cha Mar 2017 #43
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