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Tom Rinaldo

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24. Reasonable people can disagree on that. I grant you that

Fri Mar 10, 2017, 02:14 PM

Mar 2017

I would say that those who disagree with me are blaming the messenger. Those who disagree with me might say that refusing to help hide that message heightened the problem. I say this sincerely, it can be argued both ways. What I do think is fairly clear though is that Bernie was in tune with sensing the growing public unease with business/politics as usual. And he, along with others like Michael Moore (who also supported Hillary after she had the nomination) gave fair warning to all about what was in store for Democrats last year if it wasn't dealt with. And still the Clinton campaign made false assumptions about the strength of their "blue fire wall" in the rust belt to the point that they did not spend the time and resources needed to win there. Consider an alternate past where the Clinton campaign fully heeded the warnings of "the messengers" and campaigned hard inside the rust belt. 125,000 more votes there and Clinton would be president today.

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Nonsense, Hillary is responsible for Hillary. dogman Mar 2017 #2

Ridiculous comment. Trump voters werent considering voting for Hillary. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #3

And many Bernie supporters voted for Hillary. dogman Mar 2017 #5

Some did, some didnt. Most of them though bad mouthed her non stop Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #6

But you are here bashing Bernie and his supporters, not non-voters. dogman Mar 2017 #8

You may need to rethink your approach if you want to beat the other side. Cha Mar 2017 #38

I voted for the Democratic Candidate for President. dogman Mar 2017 #42

Oh yes.. and she was our Candidate against trump.. our firewall. Cha Mar 2017 #37

It was the fault of the many voters who did not vote. LanternWaste Mar 2017 #7

So only Bernie voters are to blame? n/t dogman Mar 2017 #10

Post removed Post removed Mar 2017 #12

Completely wrong. When I build a website and people don't visit Occulus Mar 2017 #22

Those who didn't own a chunk of trump.. that's on them.. they cared Cha Mar 2017 #40

Good lord. I have never seen a politician(s supporters) so butt hurt over a primary race ProfessorPlum Mar 2017 #27

Two points, to specifically address what you said above (so this isn't alerted... George II Mar 2017 #45

Are you going to... tonedevil Mar 2017 #41

I bet you believe that Nader jrthin Mar 2017 #14

No, votes belong to voters, no one else. dogman Mar 2017 #20

I supported Hillary the wholeway. Blue_true Mar 2017 #29

His supporters will jrthin Mar 2017 #9

Somebody needs to sit in the back of the room and throw good ideas at the bad ones Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #11

Exactly. n/t jrthin Mar 2017 #19

Or she should have seen the damage she had done to her campaign and dropped out. dogman Mar 2017 #23

No, she shouldn't have. Cha Mar 2017 #44

Of course not. dogman Mar 2017 #47

Be careful, your post could be hidden. Blue_true Mar 2017 #31

Oh, but that wasn't an option. Cha Mar 2017 #39

Danger: Don't. Go. There. Tom Rinaldo Mar 2017 #13

Bullshit. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #15

I feel no need to comment on your incisive analysis n/t Tom Rinaldo Mar 2017 #16

Bookmarking for 2018 when we lose more seats. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #18

Which is more likely as you belittle more voters. dogman Mar 2017 #21

All of what you say may be jrthin Mar 2017 #17

Reasonable people can disagree on that. I grant you that Tom Rinaldo Mar 2017 #24

I disagree ProfessorPlum Mar 2017 #28

Hillary made her share of mistakes. Blue_true Mar 2017 #32

Completely agree with this insight. Tatiana Mar 2017 #46

I was just thinking the same thing ! Wonder if he feels any guilt - think he should - and I voted Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2017 #25

At the end of the day, the buck stops with the candidate. PatsFan87 Mar 2017 #26

Hillary made some mistakes. Blue_true Mar 2017 #33

It's important to remain vigilant Blue_Tires Mar 2017 #4

Despair is not an option ProudLib72 Mar 2017 #30

What I think is happening is people can't admit some mistakes. Blue_true Mar 2017 #34

But it should be a moot point ProudLib72 Mar 2017 #35

No, it isn't an option gratuitous Mar 2017 #36

We have Democrats Tom Perez and Keith Ellison working for us.. Of course I'm Cha Mar 2017 #43