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Fri Mar 10, 2017, 01:27 PM

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Why have some decided the only way to improve the party [View all] BainsBane Mar 2017 OP

two words - "Reagan Democrat" TXCritter Mar 2017 #1

Reagan democrats are dixiecrats JI7 Mar 2017 #4

It also refers to places like McComb county Michigan BainsBane Mar 2017 #16

Yep. I lived in Macomb County for nine years. Not "Dixiecrats". Freethinker65 Mar 2017 #55

Good for them. But they voted for Trump. They are not the lowest hanging fruit for us. Squinch Mar 2017 #133

This message was self-deleted by its author Freethinker65 Mar 2017 #136

Yeah...but they voted for Obama twice too... Chitown Kev Mar 2017 #147

Right now the Democratic Party has seats that haven been this low since 1920 yeoman6987 Mar 2017 #87

Why is it, yeoman6987, that so many of your posts Kingofalldems Mar 2017 #100

Let's see. . . . Jake Stern Mar 2017 #118

Gee, doesn't everyone know that's how you motivate people? kcr Mar 2017 #168

Good point about Reagan Democrats BainsBane Mar 2017 #17

It sounds like this has to be an either/or decision. Why not both? jalan48 Mar 2017 #2

I addresses that point in my OP BainsBane Mar 2017 #3

Lets do both. We have lost almost all the state governments to Republicans, we need a strategy jalan48 Mar 2017 #5

And at the same time denying why they support trump JI7 Mar 2017 #6

Despite surveys showing BainsBane Mar 2017 #10

I believe that overcoming voter suppression is a HUGE opportunity. SharonAnn Mar 2017 #119

I agree and because voting is controlled at the state level we need to focus our efforts there. jalan48 Mar 2017 #124

More important get the red out Mar 2017 #7

I think she addressed that - but JustAnotherGen Mar 2017 #39

This.++++++++ littlemissmartypants Mar 2017 #45

That is who I meant get the red out Mar 2017 #114

If we focus so much on the presidency BainsBane Mar 2017 #112

THANK YOU!!! of course POC votes were down in voter suppression states!!!!! uponit7771 Mar 2017 #8

I don't get it either JHan Mar 2017 #9

They've been told that's what matters BainsBane Mar 2017 #13

Thing is.. JHan Mar 2017 #14

+1000nt iluvtennis Mar 2017 #43

Yeah and our best JustAnotherGen Mar 2017 #40

I am a white male Cosmocat Mar 2017 #49

The thing most Democrats don't get is that saying exactly what they believe without world wide wally Mar 2017 #11

"Like it is" BainsBane Mar 2017 #15

His response was about their perceptions. Not yours. Occulus Mar 2017 #73

Eloquently said, Bains! I reject that plea Cha Mar 2017 #12

We need them to win Congress back. nt geek tragedy Mar 2017 #18

But not the far more numerous black voters? BainsBane Mar 2017 #21

1) the swing districts don't have a lot of African-Americans geek tragedy Mar 2017 #35

What would you be willing to 'give up' JustAnotherGen Mar 2017 #42

As one of the infamous liberal coastal elites, I'd be willing to have the party geek tragedy Mar 2017 #113

...and since 2010 those "wwc" have put in Republicans in delisen Mar 2017 #105

not everyone who voted for Obama in 2008 (or in 2012) were madly in love geek tragedy Mar 2017 #115

But they warmed up to Donald "stiffing the working Charles Bukowski Mar 2017 #121

How is converting Republicans "clear eyed."? BainsBane Mar 2017 #146

We've won the House twice since 1992. geek tragedy Mar 2017 #161

Black voters tend to be concentrated in urban and Surburban areas. Blue_true Mar 2017 #132

People who think this are white kcr Mar 2017 #19

A good point BainsBane Mar 2017 #22

They're the same ones who buy the myth that Trump voters switched from Obama kcr Mar 2017 #97

That's not a myth... Chitown Kev Mar 2017 #149

I wasn't clear. Obviously there were some actual voters who flipped. kcr Mar 2017 #167

Yes.. Chitown Kev Mar 2017 #148

+1 betsuni Mar 2017 #164

What concerns me is that we have someone in charge of so-called "Outreach".... George II Mar 2017 #20

We do have to change BainsBane Mar 2017 #23

Dude. We lost to DFT. truebluegreen Mar 2017 #44

The thing is I've seen lots of criticism, but very few specific, positive recommendations.... George II Mar 2017 #84

It keeps coming up ismnotwasm Mar 2017 #24

Answer: because they voted for us before brooklynite Mar 2017 #25

Excellent post, Brooklynite! True Dough Mar 2017 #31

Whereas punishing the majority of Americans BainsBane Mar 2017 #123

I think generalizing is part of the problem here True Dough Mar 2017 #125

Question re this: JustAnotherGen Mar 2017 #46

You people keep bringing liquid diamond Mar 2017 #59

Those voters of color voted for Democrats before too BainsBane Mar 2017 #65

How is it you imiagine Democrats are "discriminating" by reaching out to White male voters? brooklynite Mar 2017 #67

Decrying identity politics means abandoning those issues BainsBane Mar 2017 #82

A more accurate and relevant translation being... LanternWaste Mar 2017 #69

Name the policies Clinton campaigned on... brooklynite Mar 2017 #106

She talked policy @ debates and at rallies emulatorloo Mar 2017 #134

Sensible, informative, rejection of foolish bias. Hortensis Mar 2017 #139

Several points. Stonepounder Mar 2017 #26

First BainsBane Mar 2017 #47

I agree. Stonepounder Mar 2017 #50

Well said. delisen Mar 2017 #27

I think the point is to reclaim the obama voters we lost. Parmenides72 Mar 2017 #28

We lost very few Obama voters to DT. That is a misconception. n/t pnwmom Mar 2017 #32

Yes. Hortensis Mar 2017 #138

You mean like this guy? klook Mar 2017 #29

I'm totally on board with looking forward BainsBane Mar 2017 #34

Fuck some. (n/t) Iggo Mar 2017 #30

For some reason many like to pretend that whites are the future of our party. wcast Mar 2017 #33

I agree in principle BainsBane Mar 2017 #37

Fuck many. (n/t) Iggo Mar 2017 #48

The white male Trump voters I know will never vote for a Democrat. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2017 #36

No, and those who make that argument BainsBane Mar 2017 #38

YEP Cosmocat Mar 2017 #52

Except a few voters switched from voting for Obama 2x. So you are wrong. KittyWampus Mar 2017 #58

I am talking about men who have NEVER voted Democratic. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2017 #60

Thanks or setting me straight on your post. Have a good weekend! KittyWampus Mar 2017 #63

You're welcome. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2017 #68

Well said! iluvtennis Mar 2017 #41

As a white male I can attest to the prevailing mindset of white male entitlement. gordianot Mar 2017 #51

Lack of empathy liquid diamond Mar 2017 #53

Agreed Cosmocat Mar 2017 #54

How to activate the base? NCDem777 Mar 2017 #56

I haven't seen much of what you allege... we should "cater to white male Republican voters". KittyWampus Mar 2017 #57

I've seen OPs about softening our support for abortion... also posts about immigration bettyellen Mar 2017 #102

Great post! NastyRiffraff Mar 2017 #61

Cutting into Trump's largest voting bloc is a good enough idea. Orsino Mar 2017 #62

Some good marketing people can come up with stuff that might work. And with data analysis KittyWampus Mar 2017 #64

Or just normal outreach Bradical79 Mar 2017 #98

The "everyone except me is racist/sexist" attitude that is seeping from this post is why we lost. redgreenandblue Mar 2017 #66

I asked questions BainsBane Mar 2017 #74

We don't have to cater to the worst elements of voters' personalities. lagomorph777 Mar 2017 #70

That can be part of a message BainsBane Mar 2017 #71

We have to select issues that appeal to the most people, and are the most important. lagomorph777 Mar 2017 #72

And that attitude is a problem BainsBane Mar 2017 #78

OK I think you need to list some positions that Dems should take, despite them being lagomorph777 Mar 2017 #120

HRC did that in her campaign mcar Mar 2017 #109

Bravenak liquid diamond Mar 2017 #75

Why does everyone think we have to do one or the other? Act_of_Reparation Mar 2017 #76

Why don't you read my post? BainsBane Mar 2017 #80

Why don't you read your post? Act_of_Reparation Mar 2017 #91

that is not the argument she was making. JHan Mar 2017 #101

Quote BainsBane Mar 2017 #141

Rigid arguments Dem2 Mar 2017 #77

If the point is to treat all groups of Americans with equal respect BainsBane Mar 2017 #85

Seems like a voter Democrats feel like they should have done better with? Dem2 Mar 2017 #99

The problem is there has been no attention on to disenfranchisement BainsBane Mar 2017 #117

HOLY SHIT LET ME RECOMMEND THIS 50 TIMES! Orrex Mar 2017 #79

The point that the party needs to focus more on BainsBane Mar 2017 #86

No, only white working class males matter. Didn't you get the memo? Orrex Mar 2017 #93

I so agree with you Orrex. nt irisblue Mar 2017 #137

The governor of Pa. is Democratic iamateacher Mar 2017 #81

But there was a Republican BainsBane Mar 2017 #83

The last governor Tom Corbett, repub iamateacher Mar 2017 #89

Okay, I'm wrong on that BainsBane Mar 2017 #96

Dems need to stand up for poor, oppressed, environment, unions and working class people lark Mar 2017 #88

Yes!! iamateacher Mar 2017 #92

White people are saying that. nt LexVegas Mar 2017 #90

It's disturbing to see no one talk about getting more women- which would make more sense to me.... bettyellen Mar 2017 #94

The Democratic Party cannot win over Trump voters and the future is in the diverse base of the party Gothmog Mar 2017 #95

I think the future of Dem party is South delisen Mar 2017 #108

As someone who is working hard to turn Texas blue, I agree Gothmog Mar 2017 #129

K&R mcar Mar 2017 #103

because white lives have always mattered more than the rest of ours La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2017 #104

And here is the thread winner! brer cat Mar 2017 #127

yup La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2017 #128

Same tired bullshit melman Mar 2017 #107

The issue is what they have said BainsBane Mar 2017 #143

There are not enough people in the House of Representatives ymetca Mar 2017 #110

People of color and women live in red states too BainsBane Mar 2017 #111

More representatives in each state ymetca Mar 2017 #116

A lot of POC in some rural areas Chitown Kev Mar 2017 #151

K&R Jamaal510 Mar 2017 #122

Focus should be on the working class, period Fiendish Thingy Mar 2017 #126

How do you define working class? BainsBane Mar 2017 #142

k&r Starry Messenger Mar 2017 #130

K&R sheshe2 Mar 2017 #131

Then there are these people JustAnotherGen Mar 2017 #135

You don't understand BainsBane Mar 2017 #145

Bains JustAnotherGen Mar 2017 #158

String-us-up theory BainsBane Mar 2017 #159

A triangulating party tries to cater to white republican votes. Our party has a history of doing JCanete Mar 2017 #140

Are you prepared to tell Bernie and his supporters BainsBane Mar 2017 #144

I just might write an essay like that Chitown Kev Mar 2017 #152

I look forward to seeing your essay. BainsBane Mar 2017 #155

They are not. They are focusing on the class warfare being waged on all of us. Yes, the white middle JCanete Mar 2017 #154

I didn't think so BainsBane Mar 2017 #160

Who is telling rather than listening? You are doing a lot of conflating and straw-manning here. JCanete Mar 2017 #166

Kicked and recced because Chitown Kev Mar 2017 #150

they are intrinsically tied together. there is no reason to sacrifice one in favor of the other. JCanete Mar 2017 #157

Elizabeth Warren thinks we can do both...if we have a clear message brooklynite Mar 2017 #153

cool! nt JCanete Mar 2017 #156

K&R betsuni Mar 2017 #162

I agree with you, and I am sick to death of hearing about working class white men. Why not go after Tarheel_Dem Mar 2017 #163

That's exactly what I want to know BainsBane Mar 2017 #165