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delisen

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44. and if Comey had on Oct surprise lie, or the govt revealed the Russian Connection or

Sun Mar 12, 2017, 11:28 AM

Mar 2017

if the Democrats had not over 1000 seats between 2008 and 2016-with big time loses in the "white, blue collar population states or if Democratic purists had not wanted to send a message by voting 3rd party, or if some Sanders backers hadn't voted for Trump, or if we had fought voter suppression with vigor for 8 years, or if we were prepared for the Health Care legislation backlash.........

So in short, the blame the candidate position is an old-fashioned "cop out."

Time to address the real world.

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Pundits say Dems need to reach out to the White Working class but do we really want to? [View all] Trumpocalypse Mar 2017 OP

It's not pandering Dem2 Mar 2017 #1

Very true Trumpocalypse Mar 2017 #3

It's the job of the politician to rally people Dem2 Mar 2017 #7

Gore and Kerry then also failed -and did so when Democrats filled far more seats. Systemic problem. delisen Mar 2017 #10

Some people lack charisma? Dem2 Mar 2017 #14

so Obama lacks charisma also ? since he also lost their votes JI7 Mar 2017 #23

Obama lost? Dem2 Mar 2017 #51

nope Obama lost the white vote . he won based on huge non white turnout JI7 Mar 2017 #87

Forget "charisma", forget "populism" We have an unaddressed systemic problem. delisen Mar 2017 #41

Republicans as examples? Dem2 Mar 2017 #52

GHWB and GWB -DID- have charisma... brooklynite Mar 2017 #54

Not all election years are equal karynnj Mar 2017 #84

At that point, ticket splitting was more popular crazycatlady Mar 2017 #37

The problem is Trumpocalypse Mar 2017 #12

That's what politicians do Dem2 Mar 2017 #19

calling for a ban on refugees and attacking black lives matter JI7 Mar 2017 #27

and if Comey had on Oct surprise lie, or the govt revealed the Russian Connection or delisen Mar 2017 #44

I think the candidate has the most power to change the dialog Dem2 Mar 2017 #50

Each had a far stronger Democratic apparatus- Dems lost all over in 1994 and 2010 delisen Mar 2017 #70

She was able to. She won by millions of votes. JTFrog Mar 2017 #20

There's a lot of us older white guys who live here in the 'burbs who are very liberal Dem2 Mar 2017 #53

Ok. Way to ignore everything I typed. JTFrog Mar 2017 #63

I'm angry too Dem2 Mar 2017 #65

JTFrong, word up. Exactly what I think kydo Mar 2017 #66

lunch pail issues ? these people vote on their bigotry JI7 Mar 2017 #24

Trump voters bought his pitch hook, line and sinker... Miles Archer Mar 2017 #72

We should welcome all people who value freedom, liberty, and equality. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #2

True we should Trumpocalypse Mar 2017 #5

I edited my post for clarity. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #6

Working class issues do not boil down to elections. rug Mar 2017 #4

We can't reject our human rights values in order to attract emotion-based voters-it won't work. delisen Mar 2017 #8

Is it pandering to try and educate people? logosoco Mar 2017 #9

Dems have been trying to do that since Reagan Trumpocalypse Mar 2017 #13

And yet, since Reagan we have had more Dem. presidents than Reps. logosoco Mar 2017 #18

it is the party of working people. POC are working class also JI7 Mar 2017 #25

Agree. The idea that it is acceptable to lie to voters needs to be challenged. delisen Mar 2017 #15

Pointing out his lies to them will have the exact opposite effect Occulus Mar 2017 #49

No, but it is arrogant. Why do you presume to educate others? nt msanthrope Mar 2017 #36

When they are being fed inaccurate facts? logosoco Mar 2017 #46

What does "white" have to do with it? dawg Mar 2017 #11

Their identify "people who look like them" and the historical "face" delisen Mar 2017 #31

Yeah ... I don't think we have anything to offer to people like that. dawg Mar 2017 #35

The loudest must obnoxious die-hard cReeps I know elehhhhna Mar 2017 #40

Pundits should say the white working class needs to wake the fuck up and watch, listen and Vinca Mar 2017 #16

what does pandering mean in this context? cheyanne Mar 2017 #17

Sorry, but our policies have been reaching out JDC Mar 2017 #21

Democrats have always emphasized issues that affect all working people, regardless of color. dalton99a Mar 2017 #26

Yes. That's is 100%. And they get spat on for it JDC Mar 2017 #28

Is it pandering to have a genuine concern for working people and to tell the truth? DefenseLawyer Mar 2017 #22

But Dem policies are better for the working class yet Trumpocalypse Mar 2017 #30

No the truth is not pandering. delisen Mar 2017 #32

It was a rhetorical question DefenseLawyer Mar 2017 #90

Another point to be made: immigrants didn't "steal" those jobs without Ilsa Mar 2017 #29

Pundits can go fuck themselves Orrex Mar 2017 #33

conservatives keeps the debate on guns, abortion, and bigotry...democrats usually suck beachbum bob Mar 2017 #34

What would you suggest as an alternative plan, then? MineralMan Mar 2017 #38

How about just calling it working class? That's who Democrats have traditionally appealed to. jalan48 Mar 2017 #39

Fuck pundits. (n/t) Iggo Mar 2017 #42

Maybe we should do what Hillary did instead truebluegreen Mar 2017 #43

Isn't that what brought us here? Not just in 2016, but over the past KPN Mar 2017 #45

That was actually my point. truebluegreen Mar 2017 #48

Ha! No, I shoulda picked up on that!!! KPN Mar 2017 #64

And she only came away with a 3M majority in the popular vote Orrex Mar 2017 #59

... truebluegreen Mar 2017 #61

Oh, I'm not saying that it's smart. Orrex Mar 2017 #62

Here's my theory.. mountain grammy Mar 2017 #47

Yes, but educate Metsie Casey Mar 2017 #55

Its very hard to reach some of these people. drray23 Mar 2017 #56

If Dems don't have a good economic message, we're a minority party. Yo_Mama Mar 2017 #57

So how did you lose all those Democratic seats between 2010 and 2016? delisen Mar 2017 #71

"Reaching out" / "pandering" unless you've got nothing to offer aikoaiko Mar 2017 #58

Youre absolutely right.Brilliantly said.So let's get the young people educated so they caroldansen Mar 2017 #60

This isn't a mystery. Adrahil Mar 2017 #67

Those "pundints" ignore Russia uponit7771 Mar 2017 #68

Who is "we"? Starry Messenger Mar 2017 #69

I feel strongly this is a task only for those Dems who are less fucked by the GOP bettyellen Mar 2017 #74

I completely agree, 100%. Starry Messenger Mar 2017 #75

I see a lot of "we should" and yet when I look at protests and volunteers - like the lawyers bettyellen Mar 2017 #81

'pundit say..' Bwahahahahahahahaaaaa spanone Mar 2017 #73

The white working class rethugs are so brain washed, I think they are almost a lost cause kimbutgar Mar 2017 #76

Maybe "reaching out" to Trumpy Fanboys should first be something like: Eyeball_Kid Mar 2017 #77

They already beginning to figure it out.... Historic NY Mar 2017 #78

This stuff, this kind of discussion, reflects both the dangerous and the good. Eyeball_Kid Mar 2017 #79

Here's the problem, speaking as a white woman Bettie Mar 2017 #80

Are they so flippen arrogant to think THEY are Doreen Mar 2017 #82

There is no reaching out to fundamentalists GitRDun Mar 2017 #83

Working class Kimchijeon Mar 2017 #85

My opinion Dan Mar 2017 #86

You make a good point. I think GOP like Kasich and maybe Flake get it. Blue_true Mar 2017 #88

can't believe it's even a question! Softail1 Mar 2017 #89

Dropping calls for bad gun control policy would win back enough of that demographic Lee-Lee Mar 2017 #91

it's the economy, stupid; this is not a WWC issue, but one that dems do not focus on nearly enough. TheFrenchRazor Mar 2017 #92