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Blue_true

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88. You make a good point. I think GOP like Kasich and maybe Flake get it.

Sun Mar 12, 2017, 07:01 PM

Mar 2017

But the rest of the GOP don't. Kasich is freaking out about the number of Independents. Most Independents reject the GOP message, but many have not fully embraced the Democrat's vision. Millennials are more likely than not to be Independents, most believe in social justice and world peace, most don't vote. We need to focus on talking to people that will listen to our message with an open mind, not the Trump voter who votes republican until they get screwed so bad that they stop voting. Screw the Reagan democrats, those people went republican long ago, Reagan's core message was one of barely concealed racism, sexism and hostility toward LGBTQ people and poor people - anyone that embraced that is no one that we should cater to.

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Pundits say Dems need to reach out to the White Working class but do we really want to? [View all] Trumpocalypse Mar 2017 OP

It's not pandering Dem2 Mar 2017 #1

Very true Trumpocalypse Mar 2017 #3

It's the job of the politician to rally people Dem2 Mar 2017 #7

Gore and Kerry then also failed -and did so when Democrats filled far more seats. Systemic problem. delisen Mar 2017 #10

Some people lack charisma? Dem2 Mar 2017 #14

so Obama lacks charisma also ? since he also lost their votes JI7 Mar 2017 #23

Obama lost? Dem2 Mar 2017 #51

nope Obama lost the white vote . he won based on huge non white turnout JI7 Mar 2017 #87

Forget "charisma", forget "populism" We have an unaddressed systemic problem. delisen Mar 2017 #41

Republicans as examples? Dem2 Mar 2017 #52

GHWB and GWB -DID- have charisma... brooklynite Mar 2017 #54

Not all election years are equal karynnj Mar 2017 #84

At that point, ticket splitting was more popular crazycatlady Mar 2017 #37

The problem is Trumpocalypse Mar 2017 #12

That's what politicians do Dem2 Mar 2017 #19

calling for a ban on refugees and attacking black lives matter JI7 Mar 2017 #27

and if Comey had on Oct surprise lie, or the govt revealed the Russian Connection or delisen Mar 2017 #44

I think the candidate has the most power to change the dialog Dem2 Mar 2017 #50

Each had a far stronger Democratic apparatus- Dems lost all over in 1994 and 2010 delisen Mar 2017 #70

She was able to. She won by millions of votes. JTFrog Mar 2017 #20

There's a lot of us older white guys who live here in the 'burbs who are very liberal Dem2 Mar 2017 #53

Ok. Way to ignore everything I typed. JTFrog Mar 2017 #63

I'm angry too Dem2 Mar 2017 #65

JTFrong, word up. Exactly what I think kydo Mar 2017 #66

lunch pail issues ? these people vote on their bigotry JI7 Mar 2017 #24

Trump voters bought his pitch hook, line and sinker... Miles Archer Mar 2017 #72

We should welcome all people who value freedom, liberty, and equality. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #2

True we should Trumpocalypse Mar 2017 #5

I edited my post for clarity. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #6

Working class issues do not boil down to elections. rug Mar 2017 #4

We can't reject our human rights values in order to attract emotion-based voters-it won't work. delisen Mar 2017 #8

Is it pandering to try and educate people? logosoco Mar 2017 #9

Dems have been trying to do that since Reagan Trumpocalypse Mar 2017 #13

And yet, since Reagan we have had more Dem. presidents than Reps. logosoco Mar 2017 #18

it is the party of working people. POC are working class also JI7 Mar 2017 #25

Agree. The idea that it is acceptable to lie to voters needs to be challenged. delisen Mar 2017 #15

Pointing out his lies to them will have the exact opposite effect Occulus Mar 2017 #49

No, but it is arrogant. Why do you presume to educate others? nt msanthrope Mar 2017 #36

When they are being fed inaccurate facts? logosoco Mar 2017 #46

What does "white" have to do with it? dawg Mar 2017 #11

Their identify "people who look like them" and the historical "face" delisen Mar 2017 #31

Yeah ... I don't think we have anything to offer to people like that. dawg Mar 2017 #35

The loudest must obnoxious die-hard cReeps I know elehhhhna Mar 2017 #40

Pundits should say the white working class needs to wake the fuck up and watch, listen and Vinca Mar 2017 #16

what does pandering mean in this context? cheyanne Mar 2017 #17

Sorry, but our policies have been reaching out JDC Mar 2017 #21

Democrats have always emphasized issues that affect all working people, regardless of color. dalton99a Mar 2017 #26

Yes. That's is 100%. And they get spat on for it JDC Mar 2017 #28

Is it pandering to have a genuine concern for working people and to tell the truth? DefenseLawyer Mar 2017 #22

But Dem policies are better for the working class yet Trumpocalypse Mar 2017 #30

No the truth is not pandering. delisen Mar 2017 #32

It was a rhetorical question DefenseLawyer Mar 2017 #90

Another point to be made: immigrants didn't "steal" those jobs without Ilsa Mar 2017 #29

Pundits can go fuck themselves Orrex Mar 2017 #33

conservatives keeps the debate on guns, abortion, and bigotry...democrats usually suck beachbum bob Mar 2017 #34

What would you suggest as an alternative plan, then? MineralMan Mar 2017 #38

How about just calling it working class? That's who Democrats have traditionally appealed to. jalan48 Mar 2017 #39

Fuck pundits. (n/t) Iggo Mar 2017 #42

Maybe we should do what Hillary did instead truebluegreen Mar 2017 #43

Isn't that what brought us here? Not just in 2016, but over the past KPN Mar 2017 #45

That was actually my point. truebluegreen Mar 2017 #48

Ha! No, I shoulda picked up on that!!! KPN Mar 2017 #64

And she only came away with a 3M majority in the popular vote Orrex Mar 2017 #59

... truebluegreen Mar 2017 #61

Oh, I'm not saying that it's smart. Orrex Mar 2017 #62

Here's my theory.. mountain grammy Mar 2017 #47

Yes, but educate Metsie Casey Mar 2017 #55

Its very hard to reach some of these people. drray23 Mar 2017 #56

If Dems don't have a good economic message, we're a minority party. Yo_Mama Mar 2017 #57

So how did you lose all those Democratic seats between 2010 and 2016? delisen Mar 2017 #71

"Reaching out" / "pandering" unless you've got nothing to offer aikoaiko Mar 2017 #58

Youre absolutely right.Brilliantly said.So let's get the young people educated so they caroldansen Mar 2017 #60

This isn't a mystery. Adrahil Mar 2017 #67

Those "pundints" ignore Russia uponit7771 Mar 2017 #68

Who is "we"? Starry Messenger Mar 2017 #69

I feel strongly this is a task only for those Dems who are less fucked by the GOP bettyellen Mar 2017 #74

I completely agree, 100%. Starry Messenger Mar 2017 #75

I see a lot of "we should" and yet when I look at protests and volunteers - like the lawyers bettyellen Mar 2017 #81

'pundit say..' Bwahahahahahahahaaaaa spanone Mar 2017 #73

The white working class rethugs are so brain washed, I think they are almost a lost cause kimbutgar Mar 2017 #76

Maybe "reaching out" to Trumpy Fanboys should first be something like: Eyeball_Kid Mar 2017 #77

They already beginning to figure it out.... Historic NY Mar 2017 #78

This stuff, this kind of discussion, reflects both the dangerous and the good. Eyeball_Kid Mar 2017 #79

Here's the problem, speaking as a white woman Bettie Mar 2017 #80

Are they so flippen arrogant to think THEY are Doreen Mar 2017 #82

There is no reaching out to fundamentalists GitRDun Mar 2017 #83

Working class Kimchijeon Mar 2017 #85

My opinion Dan Mar 2017 #86

You make a good point. I think GOP like Kasich and maybe Flake get it. Blue_true Mar 2017 #88

can't believe it's even a question! Softail1 Mar 2017 #89

Dropping calls for bad gun control policy would win back enough of that demographic Lee-Lee Mar 2017 #91

it's the economy, stupid; this is not a WWC issue, but one that dems do not focus on nearly enough. TheFrenchRazor Mar 2017 #92