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JHan

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81. with talk like that we'll get more scalias on the court..

Mon Mar 13, 2017, 12:30 PM

Mar 2017

There's a very distinct difference between the GOP and the Democratic Party. I don't even get the whole "Democratic Party is corrupt" spiel. If folks would just think beyond the usual silly slogans they'll know what to fight to make a difference..

All politics has an element of corruption and cravennes - it's simply the nature of the business since power is a corruptive influence.

This will not change with a person - there's no SAINT who will arrive and change everything. It's on us to insist that we shape that change through our choices and the incendiary progressives who couldn't stomach voting Clinton and focused their anger on the democratic party shot themselves in the foot by missing out on an opportunity to get Citizens United reversed and a bunch of a other decisions at SCOTUS which imperiled our politics.

The Democratic Party is NOT the problem. This obsession with corruption and "corporatist" and people in suits and ties and labeling people despite their record ( and I am speaking generally here), is a distraction we don't need right now. It's also a stupid strategy.

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Sanders Rallies Against GOP Health Care Plan at Town Hall [View all] Donkees Mar 2017 OP

Looking forward to Chris Hayes' program tonight on MSNBC. democrank Mar 2017 #1

Here's a link to a thread of snapshots of that town hall. Bernie is hosting two town halls Donkees Mar 2017 #3

A few years go when I was driving through a village in Vermont's Northeast Kingdom democrank Mar 2017 #4

By all rights madokie Mar 2017 #2

What rights are those? BainsBane Mar 2017 #5

Oh bullshit. ismnotwasm Mar 2017 #7

How do you figure that? NurseJackie Mar 2017 #8

I think he was, about a week or two ago. George II Mar 2017 #13

He was the best choice but he couldn't beat the system, Blue_Warrior Mar 2017 #29

No he wasn't. Cha Mar 2017 #171

You have to win a primary first...and the jury is still out as far as I am concerned. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #46

Nope liquid diamond Mar 2017 #70

NO lunamagica Mar 2017 #89

Um, no, says 65 million HRC votes. nt msanthrope Mar 2017 #100

Really?!?!?! This bullshit?!?! uponit7771 Mar 2017 #170

Put that heat on Manchin to vote like a Democrat! Dustlawyer Mar 2017 #6

He already said he won't vote against the tryan bill Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #48

If I was allowed to talk about how stupid it is to vote 3rd party in a 2 party system, I would. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #78

You are allowed to say it is stupid to vote third party in a two party system. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #148

He had better not vote for the Ryan bill. alarimer Mar 2017 #83

I'm missing something. Isn't the Ryan bill about healthcare? Isn't it going to kill people? How is JCanete Mar 2017 #159

He even put the heat on Capito hollowdweller Mar 2017 #73

Was this a "red" county? Did this area support Trump? NurseJackie Mar 2017 #9

Trump received 760 votes, Bernie received 1453 in the primary Donkees Mar 2017 #11

I didn't ask about the primary. Do you know how this area voted during the general election? NurseJackie Mar 2017 #14

Using that logic Sanders should be the father of our country.... George II Mar 2017 #16

For the record, trump got 93% of the votes in the republican primary, Sanders only 55%... George II Mar 2017 #23

Thank you for the info. Having accurate numbers helps me to understand things better... NurseJackie Mar 2017 #28

I may be wrong but I don't think he held any pro-Clinton rallies in West Virginia... George II Mar 2017 #42

"In fact he held very few rallies for her at all anywhere." WOW! Well, that's disappointing ... NurseJackie Mar 2017 #56

I saw what you were doing Tom Rinaldo Mar 2017 #57

With regard to the General Election must it be one or the other? Why not both? NurseJackie Mar 2017 #64

Of course not Tom Rinaldo Mar 2017 #66

Well that's good to know. Thank heaven for that. NurseJackie Mar 2017 #69

I apologize if I was wrong in believing that you already knew the answers to the questions Tom Rinaldo Mar 2017 #74

His first appearance for Clinton was about a week after Labor Day. Convention adjourned July 28. George II Mar 2017 #60

Wow. That's 39 days. Over five weeks. NurseJackie Mar 2017 #65

He campaigned very little for Hillary in the General. nt Blue_true Mar 2017 #166

I dont know why anyone would "fight about the primary" either, makes no sense. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #80

Ummmm, they didn't run against each other. George II Mar 2017 #15

If you'd be kind enough to provide a link, I'd like to verify those numbers please. And... NurseJackie Mar 2017 #19

And those who voted for Bernie said they had no intention of voting for him in the General... Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #49

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Why does that make a difference? Does the answer change depending on my motivation for knowledge? NurseJackie Mar 2017 #21

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Welcome to DU! NurseJackie Mar 2017 #26

And...So long, farewell, auf wiedersehen, adieu (That didn't last very long.) NurseJackie Mar 2017 #168

Why wouldn't you share a link...we all do it. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #51

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Go Bernie! bekkilyn Mar 2017 #10

He's not a Democrat. johnp3907 Mar 2017 #12

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Exactly how is Bernie fighting? Please name other 'fights'. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #52

He's actually standing up for what they allegedly stand for, unlike that turncoat Manchin. alarimer Mar 2017 #84

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Manchin is from WVA. If we lose his seat a GOP will take it and Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #140

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It does matter. It sends a message to his followers too. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #138

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Knew someone was going to say this...never fails bekkilyn Mar 2017 #25

He's not one of OUR leaders. johnp3907 Mar 2017 #33

He is currently chair of the Senate DEMOCRATIC Outreach Committee. (nt) bekkilyn Mar 2017 #35

You can have him. johnp3907 Mar 2017 #38

My thanks. Good luck in 2018. :) (nt) bekkilyn Mar 2017 #40

Your irrelevant non-sequiter certainly illustrates the depth of your context. LanternWaste Mar 2017 #79

Huh? Non-sequitur? Is that the expression you wanted to use? NurseJackie Mar 2017 #94

Is he really the best man for this job? I wish he'd do more actual outreach ... NurseJackie Mar 2017 #41

He's been out there tirelessly boots on the ground since the election bekkilyn Mar 2017 #50

I know of one protest and can't think of any town halls. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #54

Lots of his activities have been posted in the Bernie group here on this site. bekkilyn Mar 2017 #62

Really? NurseJackie Mar 2017 #59

There's an entire disillusioned progressive wing of the Democratic party bekkilyn Mar 2017 #68

People keep saying that, but... NurseJackie Mar 2017 #72

So either there are no progressives in the party who may leave if nothing changes bekkilyn Mar 2017 #77

So you're saying that the Democratic Party is corrupt? NurseJackie Mar 2017 #88

The reason it is up to you to prove these things is bekkilyn Mar 2017 #90

That makes no sense at all. NurseJackie Mar 2017 #101

Like-minded, reliable Democrats are less than 29% of the population, as of 2015 bekkilyn Mar 2017 #111

Yes it is. The greater good IS about defeating Republicans. Even if ... NurseJackie Mar 2017 #123

It's not about perfection bekkilyn Mar 2017 #127

So under the right conditions, you'd be willing to vote for the Republican? Right? NurseJackie Mar 2017 #129

Why is it bizarre? bekkilyn Mar 2017 #130

Actually ... having the majority is the most important thing. Even if ... NurseJackie Mar 2017 #134

I'd rather have the Senate voting for reproductive rights bekkilyn Mar 2017 #137

How dare you suggest a political party must earn your vote!!!!!! LiberalLovinLug Mar 2017 #108

This is so trumpian, smacks of "trump tower was wiretapped by Obama", now YOU prove it wasn't!! George II Mar 2017 #113

I'm not the one desperately wanting people's votes (nt) bekkilyn Mar 2017 #121

You mentioned "Democratic party corruption" and then called on someone to disprove it. George II Mar 2017 #124

If the party decides they don't want to address the issue bekkilyn Mar 2017 #128

Good grief Cary Mar 2017 #144

I'm not worked up bekkilyn Mar 2017 #154

Nobody's going to beg you for your vote NastyRiffraff Mar 2017 #150

Candidates should have to woo voters bekkilyn Mar 2017 #155

with talk like that we'll get more scalias on the court.. JHan Mar 2017 #81

It's that simple Cary Mar 2017 #169

Wait, where would they go? Do they not know this is a 2 party system and if you vote Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #82

Unaffiliated/Independent is probably the most popular choice bekkilyn Mar 2017 #91

So you are saying if there is a Dem who isnt perfect, so to speak, and a con Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #96

I voted for Democrats, including Hillary, this time around but who knows bekkilyn Mar 2017 #97

Sigh, so I was right, there are people out there who simply dont understand Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #99

Maddening, isn't it? NurseJackie Mar 2017 #104

I sincerely want to be allowed to discuss here how a 2 party system works. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #105

So the only reason you're a "democrat" now is because there isn't a 3rd party that you like? George II Mar 2017 #120

I'm supporting my local (county) Democratic party bekkilyn Mar 2017 #125

Why? Many do this, but I'm not certain what purpose it serves, other than vanity. NurseJackie Mar 2017 #109

It's not a protest action in my case; it's just what I've always been. (nt) bekkilyn Mar 2017 #131

Well, that tells me that you're not really serious about change or improving the party. NurseJackie Mar 2017 #136

It's because I'm supporting the local Democratic party in my county bekkilyn Mar 2017 #141

Coal is not coming back. The "FDR" version of our party is not coming back. It's a different world. NurseJackie Mar 2017 #146

I can agree with you about the coal bekkilyn Mar 2017 #156

I think Bernie should start his own party Cary Mar 2017 #87

Lots of progressives are begging him to do the same. bekkilyn Mar 2017 #95

I'm sure many people would be pleased Cary Mar 2017 #98

It's a leadership problem bekkilyn Mar 2017 #107

I don't see any "leadership problem." Cary Mar 2017 #122

Then what is the party going to do to convince unconvinced people to vote Democratic? bekkilyn Mar 2017 #132

We are a representative democracy Cary Mar 2017 #143

That strategy hasn't been winning elections though bekkilyn Mar 2017 #151

On the fence about what? George II Mar 2017 #112

About a future new 3rd party for progressives bekkilyn Mar 2017 #133

Well some "democrats" and their standardbearer don't appear to be doing much to quell the civil war. George II Mar 2017 #139

And some other "democrats" aren't doing much either, so there it is. (nt) bekkilyn Mar 2017 #145

Why should they? I'm assuming you're referring to long-term Democrats. It's their party.... George II Mar 2017 #147

The party needs new blood and new ideas bekkilyn Mar 2017 #157

By all means, please join another party. Thanks. George II Mar 2017 #92

The garbage about the "corrupt Democratic party", and then suggesting that is the reason to start still_one Mar 2017 #106

"Democratic party corruption"? Really? George II Mar 2017 #117

And at just about every one of those appearances he criticizes the Democratic Party. George II Mar 2017 #67

And this is the first 'outreach' I am aware of. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #53

That's probably because you don't look into it... TCJ70 Mar 2017 #63

Is it fair (or truthful) to characterize those "appearances" as being actual "outreach"? NurseJackie Mar 2017 #85

Maybe Bernie is not attempting to outreach "loyalists" bekkilyn Mar 2017 #93

Huh? What? Who's he trying to bring in to the Democratic Party by "trashing" the party? NurseJackie Mar 2017 #110

Being critical of issues within the party is not the same as "trashing" it bekkilyn Mar 2017 #119

Yes it is. He knows better. NurseJackie Mar 2017 #126

Because as of 2015, party membership is at historic lows according bekkilyn Mar 2017 #135

The two things he's doing are completely opposed to each other. Trashing the party... NurseJackie Mar 2017 #142

I completely disagree with you, but bekkilyn Mar 2017 #158

You know... when I invite people to a party at my house, I don't trash my place beforehand. NurseJackie Mar 2017 #160

I don't perceive him as being negative at all bekkilyn Mar 2017 #161

How about the voter who has NO "filters", NO pre-conceived notions? What's their motivation... NurseJackie Mar 2017 #162

We're simply not going to agree bekkilyn Mar 2017 #165

I thought we were making progress. NurseJackie Mar 2017 #167

Ok...I see many Vermont and TV and of course the old town hall that was cancelled in WVA and the new Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #152

He is rallying people against the GOP'S patient-killing travesty Tanuki Mar 2017 #44

thank you ProfessorPlum Mar 2017 #115

Skinner disagrees. QC Mar 2017 #103

During the General Election, did this many West Virginians come out to see Bernie... NurseJackie Mar 2017 #17

Bernie did win the Democratic primary there (nt) bekkilyn Mar 2017 #27

Okay. But that doesn't answer my question, does it? Are you trying ... NurseJackie Mar 2017 #31

My point is that many West Virginians supported Bernie bekkilyn Mar 2017 #37

It's a good question. And at this point the more of the latter the better Tom Rinaldo Mar 2017 #30

What kind of turn-out in West Virginia did Bernie get when he campaigned there for Hillary? NurseJackie Mar 2017 #34

Even Bernie wasn't able to overcome a lot of the Hillary hate bekkilyn Mar 2017 #39

I wonder how often Bernie appeared in West Virginia on her behalf... NurseJackie Mar 2017 #45

I don't know about West Virginia specifically, but... bekkilyn Mar 2017 #58

trump got 68% of the votes in West Virginia. So you're saying that Sanders... George II Mar 2017 #102

I don't know the answer to that, though I agree the answer would be of interest Tom Rinaldo Mar 2017 #43

Hillary is toxic in WV hollowdweller Mar 2017 #75

Obama is a lot more toxic in wv JI7 Mar 2017 #164

Good for him. Other Democratic Senators and Representatives MineralMan Mar 2017 #20

Bernie's a man of the people. We need more like him. jalan48 Mar 2017 #32

I don't know about that. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #55

Bernie relates well to the voters and he has a good message. jalan48 Mar 2017 #61

Exactly. alarimer Mar 2017 #86

I am not sure the message is worse the divisivness. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #153

I'm unifying around the message of wealth inequality myself. jalan48 Mar 2017 #163

Bernie is showing the way, we need to rally to counter Rump's rallies flamingdem Mar 2017 #36

K&R! nt riderinthestorm Mar 2017 #47

This is how JFK won WV hollowdweller Mar 2017 #71

Good for Bernie! mvd Mar 2017 #76