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Ms. Toad

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36. Sorry - I don't see a Trump connection here.

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 09:34 AM

Mar 2017

Not everything bad has its roots in Trump.

Rape culture has existed pretty much forever. Men on Rape, by Timothy Benecke (1982) illustrated it very well using men's own words. When I volunteered at the rape crisis center for a decade in the late 70s/early 80s, I could have told you hundreds of stories like this one.

Yes, Trump gave permission for men to display their contempt for women more publicly. Without minimizing the violence of all rape, this kind of physical brutality by a stranger, out of the blue, is not what Trump "legitimized." He didn't hang out in bathroom stalls and physically brutalize strangers. He used his money and power to gain access to women.

No one who would have condemed this attack before thinks it's just fine and dandy now because of Trump.

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"Not today, mother f---er", female jogger turns table on Deplorable [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 OP

Awesome story. Great use of carabiners. nt Ilsa Mar 2017 #1

Always have one on my keychain. nt msanthrope Mar 2017 #28

Interesting! Never thought of that. JudyM Mar 2017 #116

It's very handy for clipping keys to a purse, dog leash, etc. msanthrope Mar 2017 #138

Never can tell when you might want to lead climb Loki Liesmith Mar 2017 #126

Deplorable is a specific political term. Please don't turn it into a catch-all insult. DetlefK Mar 2017 #2

+1 RedWedge Mar 2017 #5

As the attacker is "deserving of strong condemnation..." LanternWaste Mar 2017 #6

I agree. It seems fitting to tie the term to criminal scum like this guy. LonePirate Mar 2017 #33

he is a would be rapist just like t-rump. stonecutter357 Mar 2017 #66

the pussygrabber in chief is the main deplorable, and his supporters seem to think that niyad Mar 2017 #81

I agree with you. The word rapist should be used lunatica Mar 2017 #90

Yes. 7962 Mar 2017 #125

171 Recommendations and counting. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #131

Perhaps that's because she fought off a rapist lunatica Mar 2017 #139

+1,000 pablo_marmol Mar 2017 #145

Trump voter Aviation Pro Mar 2017 #3

He was probably dressed in drag. ret5hd Mar 2017 #4

Exactly. Orrex Mar 2017 #40

++++++ BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2017 #72

I've fought off 3 rapes in my life. Never raped. Alice11111 Mar 2017 #136

You make an interesting point, re: drawing political conclusions and arguments from this story Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #115

He was a registered sex offender and would-be rapist. We don't Tanuki Mar 2017 #7

Being a sex offender, I'm guessing this guy isn't big on voting whathehell Mar 2017 #8

I hope this is an example of a dangling modifier. spooky3 Mar 2017 #26

You're bad. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #27

I hope you're just a grammar geek whathehell Mar 2017 #56

I'm definitely a grammar geek, and intended the comment to be funny. No way do I believe any spooky3 Mar 2017 #67

Glad to hear it.. whathehell Mar 2017 #68

President Trump said it is okay to grab women by the hoo hah. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #10

Newsflash: Rape and sexual molestation including groping have been going on for a long time Tanuki Mar 2017 #12

How do we know that Trump's admonition didn't rekindle an impulse the "gentleman" tried to bury? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #14

How do we know that it DID. pablo_marmol Mar 2017 #18

You seem very invested in defending this "gentleman" at the expense of disrespecting me. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #21

**You** are disrespecting the rules of fair play. pablo_marmol Mar 2017 #82

Sticks and stones may break my bones but ad hominems will never harm me. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #93

Let me ask you something. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2017 #97

I think drawing a connection between this specific crime and Trump is a bit silly, frankly Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #107

Thank you. cwydro Mar 2017 #109

Actually, the op only called him a deplorable. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2017 #110

There are a lot of crimes where I think that connection is easily drawn. Absolutely. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #111

Correct. What's the point of making absurd assertions........ pablo_marmol Mar 2017 #120

Thank you. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #134

W/regard to dying on rhetorical hills: pablo_marmol Mar 2017 #122

Maybe because he's been doing this continually for almost 20 years? Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #101

He was dry for almost two years, bruh. Are you sure this didn't set him off: DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #104

No, except he's homeless, so he probably doesn't watch a lot of CNN. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #106

"Are you sure this didn't set him off:" pablo_marmol Mar 2017 #123

Please see Post #93 DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #130

So pointing out that you're shifting the burden of proof is throwing stones? pablo_marmol Mar 2017 #140

"I have become what I beheld and I am content that I have done right! " DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #151

LEAP to conclusions much?! "Seems" to be a follower?! pablo_marmol Mar 2017 #143

Thank you Tanuki. pablo_marmol Mar 2017 #13

Is or is not attempted sexual assault deplorable? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #15

Oh FFS, who are you trying to kid?! pablo_marmol Mar 2017 #17

"When I use a word , it means just what I choose it to mean-neither more nor less." DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #19

I like words- awesome words like entomophagy! snooper2 Mar 2017 #47

Mmmmm.. denbot Mar 2017 #70

"When I use a word , it means just what I choose it to mean"? progressoid Mar 2017 #73

The monster that tried to sexually assault the female jogger is Deplorable. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #75

Keep digging yourself in deeper! pablo_marmol Mar 2017 #83

Please see #93 DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #95

Except for the word "literally" Shrek Mar 2017 #76

I'm literally LMAO! progressoid Mar 2017 #80

I am glad/ not glad that Deplorable has become a fixed descriptor like... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #132

Keep digging. pablo_marmol Mar 2017 #146

It is sad (and) revealing you have invested more time attacking me than a serial predator DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #149

See #83 NT pablo_marmol Mar 2017 #84

Please see #93 DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #94

My sentiments exactly. nt raccoon Mar 2017 #30

Love it...Go on with your bad self Girl!! whathehell Mar 2017 #9

It reminds me of Extremities with Farah Fawcett. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #11

Yes.. whathehell Mar 2017 #53

OMG bdamomma Mar 2017 #16

He's clearly "deplorable" in the dictionary sense, however the phrasing of the OP does make it sound Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #20

My reaction, as well. The use of "Deplorable" as a noun, rather than an adjective, Ms. Toad Mar 2017 #31

Yup. Despite the number of people who are pointing this out....... pablo_marmol Mar 2017 #89

Why the soft pedal here? Trump enabled rape culture by his actions and words ismnotwasm Mar 2017 #22

Thank you. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #23

I agree. Trump shares part of the blame here. liquid diamond Mar 2017 #24

And for this miscreant DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #25

In 1999, when he was convicted of rape, what president do we blame? yeoman6987 Mar 2017 #69

Was Clinton encouraging men to grab women liquid diamond Mar 2017 #71

Thump has opened the Overton Window in a reactionary direction. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #96

No Lotusflower70 Mar 2017 #128

Toxic masculinity was doing just fine before Trump came along. RedWedge Mar 2017 #29

Thump has resurrected, mainstreamed, and given license to it. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #32

"Resurrected" implies it was dead. It wasn't. RedWedge Mar 2017 #46

And now he's the most powerful man in the world. ismnotwasm Mar 2017 #108

Sorry - I don't see a Trump connection here. Ms. Toad Mar 2017 #36

Thank you Ms. Toad. pablo_marmol Mar 2017 #87

"This sick asshole was one deplorable motherfucker." pablo_marmol Mar 2017 #85

Since he was a convicted sex offender... MicaelS Mar 2017 #86

You DO NOT KNOW if this *specific* rapist was influenced by Agent Orange or not. pablo_marmol Mar 2017 #88

So proper reasoning becomes a "soft pedal"? pablo_marmol Mar 2017 #144

If the jogger shot the rapist, would she be a deplorable too? HoneyBadger Mar 2017 #34

If someone tried to rape you and you shot him would you be a deplorable too? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #35

What is the current definition HoneyBadger Mar 2017 #37

Only if they are used illegally. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #41

Guns are only deplorable if used illegally? HoneyBadger Mar 2017 #42

Are you suggesting guns are inherently deplorable? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #43

Having guns for personal self defense is considered racist HoneyBadger Mar 2017 #48

By whom? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #49

Uponthegears HoneyBadger Mar 2017 #50

I would tell my friend it isn't so much the motivation for purchasing the gun, but how one uses it. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #52

Considered racist by whom? (nt) MarvinGardens Mar 2017 #61

That is really what you think? irisblue Mar 2017 #105

Trolololol! Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2017 #38

What? ismnotwasm Mar 2017 #51

Good Lord shenmue Mar 2017 #39

Good for her. lindysalsagal Mar 2017 #44

So heartening to read things turned out the way they did, that though she was FailureToCommunicate Mar 2017 #45

So glad she was able to get away. 58Sunliner Mar 2017 #54

This is why if I use an at all isolated restroom I check for pervs, rapists and murderers. betsuni Mar 2017 #55

I take your advice, but the assortment of miscreants you mention generally don't wear signs. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #60

If there is a man hiding in a women's public restroom stall, I assume. betsuni Mar 2017 #62

I am glad that young woman emerged safely, She did get lumped up , a bit. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #64

Change the title of your post to remove the word "Deplorable" oberliner Mar 2017 #57

John Stuart Mill says hi DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #58

Just a suggestion oberliner Mar 2017 #59

Misogyny has always been with us, but it has become more and more subterranean. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #65

Fair enough oberliner Mar 2017 #78

I am not arguing Trump is turning men into rapists. That would be absurd. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #79

Okay, but again playing the devils advocate re: your wording on THIS story Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #100

Not gonna happen. pablo_marmol Mar 2017 #121

I am going to keep doubling down on it until I get TWO HUNDRED recommendations. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #135

Pick a story and stick with it, DSB. pablo_marmol Mar 2017 #141

Please see Post 149 DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #150

Well, pussy grabbing is a favorite pastime of the deplorable leader. dalton99a Mar 2017 #63

I bet cannabis_flower Mar 2017 #74

You go girl! LOL Lib Mar 2017 #77

Women joggers being assaulted in Seattle is nothing new, unfortunately. LisaM Mar 2017 #91

Laws will only go so far to protect a woman from assault. Blue_true Mar 2017 #98

That may be, but we need to change the mindset. LisaM Mar 2017 #99

This guy was a repeat, violent sex offender. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #112

Exactly! I really think if there were more women in office, this would change. LisaM Mar 2017 #113

Prisons should be for the violent and dangerous, absolutely. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #114

KICK Angry Dragon Mar 2017 #92

So happy for her. riversedge Mar 2017 #102

Thumbs in the eyeballs. lpbk2713 Mar 2017 #103

Women should adopt that phrase 'not today motherf****r, as an anthem, like 'let's roll' ... JudyM Mar 2017 #117

Maybe other trump voters will learn from this experience. ileus Mar 2017 #118

You nuts? They all fancy themselves to be alpha male predators Warpy Mar 2017 #133

Anything like this happening in Seattle reminds me of Mia Zapata Tarc Mar 2017 #119

"He told police he went to the restroom with the intention of raping a woman, local station KOMO rep Crash2Parties Mar 2017 #124

"Not today, motherfucker" Stinky The Clown Mar 2017 #127

Good for her Lotusflower70 Mar 2017 #129

Should be the rallying cry for all wonen! leftyladyfrommo Mar 2017 #147

I know right Lotusflower70 Mar 2017 #152

Sounds good to me. leftyladyfrommo Mar 2017 #153

for those wincest Mar 2017 #137

Wow.. chills! That's an excellent battle cry for so many Cha Mar 2017 #142

The real deplorables were the anti transgender folk who tried to use her story to raise funds pfitz59 Mar 2017 #148