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Zoonart

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1. Hope...

Fri Mar 17, 2017, 10:01 AM

Mar 2017

The generals are our only hope here. I think that Mattis and the other generals in the WH are already chaffing at being pushes around by the political apparatchiks.

Is a military coup in our future?

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What might Trump do in North Korea? [View all] MineralMan Mar 2017 OP

Hope... Zoonart Mar 2017 #1

I can't imagine a scenario where a military coup MineralMan Mar 2017 #6

Yeah, unfortunately it is. Unless Tillerson is disappeared. Jonny Appleseed Mar 2017 #10

Yeah, something along those lines... Wounded Bear Mar 2017 #2

NK has 1.2 M troops and 7 M reserves - SK has 650K & the U.S. 30K exboyfil Mar 2017 #42

LOL. That's probably the same question French General Henri Navarre asked KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #51

Overlooking artillery has changed a lot of battles exboyfil Mar 2017 #59

OT, but what were Custer's last words? KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #63

I forgot them damn gatling guns... Historic NY Mar 2017 #74

"Where the fuck did all those Indians KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #111

they have artillery that can hit Seoul and d_r Mar 2017 #55

And NK has 5000 tons of nerve agents - including VX jpak Mar 2017 #97

Is it poor sportsmanship to root for the underdog DPRK in this KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #3

no because d_r Mar 2017 #57

Oh, the poor South Koreans. I have it from an impeccable source that KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #62

What source, pray tell? MineralMan Mar 2017 #89

She had to flee ROK after she received death thrats from members of KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #113

I'm "rooting" for nobody. MineralMan Mar 2017 #72

Same. I'm against needless wars that can be avoided. xor Mar 2017 #85

MOAB jpak Mar 2017 #4

I wonder how many of those we have ready. MineralMan Mar 2017 #7

It's been superceded by the MOP jpak Mar 2017 #13

Hmm...could be. MineralMan Mar 2017 #17

They were developed with NK and Iran in mind - 20 ordered jpak Mar 2017 #20

I'm sure that's the case. Mostly Iran, MineralMan Mar 2017 #23

20's not enough for what I'm thinking about. MineralMan Mar 2017 #24

They have 1 plutonium production reactor jpak Mar 2017 #69

To change the subject, he will nuke it, rather than be humiliated over his wiretapping lies Doodley Mar 2017 #5

No, I don't think so. MineralMan Mar 2017 #9

According to 45 maryellen99 Mar 2017 #28

I truly believe that would be the point where the military would MineralMan Mar 2017 #39

Let's hope nt maryellen99 Mar 2017 #41

You over-estimate the restraint of the Chiefs... Moostache Mar 2017 #65

Also the ? that has to be asked too is that how many are rapturists/end timers? maryellen99 Mar 2017 #66

My thought too! PearliePoo2 Mar 2017 #86

He also asked, repeatedly, during the campaign why we couldn't just do a first strike hatrack Mar 2017 #30

See my #39. I don't think MineralMan Mar 2017 #40

WWIII is a distinct possibility. (nt) Paladin Mar 2017 #8

Any action will likely escalate, hard to tell where it will end and the extent of involvement by RKP5637 Mar 2017 #78

I would expect all this has been war planned out. PearliePoo2 Mar 2017 #11

I suppose it probably has. MineralMan Mar 2017 #12

The best the U.S. could hope for True Dough Mar 2017 #18

But Trump Don't Care. MineralMan Mar 2017 #21

Also for the very real possibility that North Korea will take hostages dalton99a Mar 2017 #27

Now that scares the shit out of me... Heartstrings Mar 2017 #82

I believe you have good reason to be scared. I'm scared for all of us, everywhere. PearliePoo2 Mar 2017 #96

Good idea however... Heartstrings Mar 2017 #103

Today, Tillerson said: PearliePoo2 Mar 2017 #14

I expect he will negotiate a Trump Tower North Korea Johonny Mar 2017 #15

North Korea has a decent air defense system that covers most of the country dalton99a Mar 2017 #16

Yes. However, we have a lot of technology designed MineralMan Mar 2017 #19

It's virtually all 1960's Soviet era stuff - and completely obsolete. jpak Mar 2017 #31

They rely on barrages of missiles and AA gunfire and mobile radar units. dalton99a Mar 2017 #48

So was Saddam's jpak Mar 2017 #58

Saddam's inventory looked good on paper dalton99a Mar 2017 #68

MIG-17, 19, 21 and their Chinese copies are no match for F-16, 15, and 22. jpak Mar 2017 #70

True. But you don't need a fighter to down a B-52. dalton99a Mar 2017 #73

And B-52s would use cruise missiles and stand-off munitions to attack NK targets jpak Mar 2017 #81

B-52s are exceedingly hard to attack. MineralMan Mar 2017 #90

Its only takes one "exocet" type crusie missle to get through.... Historic NY Mar 2017 #79

The Kh-35 is a subsonic cruise missile - a US destroyer shot down 2 similar Chinese ASMs near Yemen jpak Mar 2017 #87

This is very dangerous sabre-rattling Golden Raisin Mar 2017 #22

Yes, it is. It's also a massive distraction, and that's something MineralMan Mar 2017 #29

Pre-emptive sneak attack? workinclasszero Mar 2017 #25

Yep. North Korea doesn't need nuclear weapons to inflict massive damage on Seoul dalton99a Mar 2017 #32

Thats right. Seoul can be reduced to rubble in hours workinclasszero Mar 2017 #38

And South Koreans will hate the U.S. for sacrificing their capital city. dalton99a Mar 2017 #50

No doubt. workinclasszero Mar 2017 #93

Yes, I understand that very well. However, we're beginning to MineralMan Mar 2017 #34

Oh he's going to need a massive distraction alright workinclasszero Mar 2017 #43

i have no 'hope' for trump spanone Mar 2017 #26

Yes. That's why it's a real danger. MineralMan Mar 2017 #45

Trump, could likely take action with no thought about the consequences to prove his missile is RKP5637 Mar 2017 #84

Doesn't he have time to go to congress for this? Why aren't legislators demanding it? nt wiggs Mar 2017 #33

Not really. Not anymore. MineralMan Mar 2017 #35

Not sure this is pre-emptive. Pre-emptive is legal, preventative is not (Iraq). wiggs Mar 2017 #36

Weirdly enough, given Trump and Tillerson's taunts, DPRK would be fully within KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #46

It is a more volatile situation than most people believe, MineralMan Mar 2017 #49

Your support for the DPRK is worrisome to me. MineralMan Mar 2017 #75

Under current international law, preemptive wars to stop an imminent attack KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #106

I'm not saying anything at all of that nature. MineralMan Mar 2017 #108

Is it "supporting" DPRK to note that she has the absolute right KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #114

It is, yes. MineralMan Mar 2017 #115

Keeping a close eye...I have family traveling to Japan in two weeks. Might have wiggs Mar 2017 #37

North Korea could reak havoc on South Korea in minutes, beachbum bob Mar 2017 #44

Trump is unlikely to use nuclear weapons if he does such a thing. MineralMan Mar 2017 #47

30,000 US troops would face annihilation and their only defense are tactical field nukes beachbum bob Mar 2017 #53

Put nukes in So. Korea chelsea0011 Mar 2017 #52

I believe they flew some nuclear-armed B-52s into MineralMan Mar 2017 #54

Were they armed or just the planes? I never did see anything definitive one way or another. chelsea0011 Mar 2017 #56

I don't believe that information was made public. MineralMan Mar 2017 #61

One crazy trying to out crazy the other crazy California_Republic Mar 2017 #60

Exactly. Scary stuff. MineralMan Mar 2017 #64

There's also this as well maryellen99 Mar 2017 #67

Worth keeping in mind that Trump and the GOP love to punch down...not just wiggs Mar 2017 #71

That is true, and if Trump is looking around for a distraction, MineralMan Mar 2017 #76

I fear he will use nuclear weapons liberal N proud Mar 2017 #77

Fear is an appropriate reaction. MineralMan Mar 2017 #83

when prez putz starts to go down in flames, there is no telling what he Motley13 Mar 2017 #80

Trump will do whatever he thinks will keep him in MineralMan Mar 2017 #88

DUReccing this entire thread. longship Mar 2017 #91

Stimulating discussion is always my goal. MineralMan Mar 2017 #92

Well, IMHO, this is one of the better threads today. nt longship Mar 2017 #94

Thanks. I really appreciate that. MineralMan Mar 2017 #95

I hope that he can be convinced not to do this. Kimchijeon Mar 2017 #98

Yes. I'm sure we all hope that. MineralMan Mar 2017 #99

Seoul would be lost if that happens. bathroommonkey76 Mar 2017 #100

I think there is a very good chance of that, too. MineralMan Mar 2017 #102

I hope Trump knows that bathroommonkey76 Mar 2017 #107

Trump is a narcissist first, second and third. MineralMan Mar 2017 #109

The Missles Are Flying Bayard Mar 2017 #101

Regarding N. Korea, here are two VERY informative interviews with General Michael Hayden. PearliePoo2 Mar 2017 #104

Thanks very much for posting those two videos! MineralMan Mar 2017 #105

You're most welcome. Whenever General Hayden is interviewed, I sit up, tune in and pay attention. PearliePoo2 Mar 2017 #116

One or two more tweet, maybe. Meanwhile, China wants an apology, I imagine. L. Coyote Mar 2017 #110

I hope you are correct. I want to think you are correct. MineralMan Mar 2017 #112