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zipplewrath

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271. Seems there's always an excuse

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 04:09 PM

Mar 2017

We were running a lot of things through those years. We were the ones that pushed through a stimulus that was too small by half, which is a big reason the economy recovered so slowly. And we didn't do all that well at the state level in 2012, which yes is connected with gerrymandering which is a legacy of our poor performance over a couple of decades at the state ballot boxes. We passed NAFTA and DADT not to mention the DOMA and then spent the better part of 3 election cycles running against them. And really, we watched the union movement wither and did little to nothing. We appointed Comey you may remember. And then we went out and pushed the TPP.

You can go looking for excuses in other people, or we can acknowledge that we led ourselves here.

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Hillary: 'I'm ready to come out of the woods' [View all] bigtree Mar 2017 OP

Welcome back Hillary ProudLib72 Mar 2017 #1

John Dean's advice: L. Coyote Mar 2017 #122

Trumpie will do his nut, and watch Shitfetz sabre rattle OnDoutside Mar 2017 #155

YESSSS! eom BlueMTexpat Mar 2017 #194

Mahalo for that, Coyote! Cha Mar 2017 #257

"Everybody should just get along". rgbecker Mar 2017 #2

not an actual quote bigtree Mar 2017 #3

FFS, she said trump was Putin's puppet-- live, on stage, to his face. And she refered to half his LuvLoogie Mar 2017 #22

+1 Lucinda Mar 2017 #136

+2. Da-yum, it never quits. Hekate Mar 2017 #154

nope xxqqqzme Mar 2017 #230

+3 fleabiscuit Mar 2017 #217

Cuartro! Cha Mar 2017 #232

She IS a real leader radical noodle Mar 2017 #97

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2017 #239

She already is a real leader. nt msanthrope Mar 2017 #165

Oh whatever. The bullshit never ends. nt Codeine Mar 2017 #173

Hillary is a real leader and you're obviously not Cha Mar 2017 #218

That's a blatant alternative fact. Bradical79 Mar 2017 #250

she looks good in green juxtaposed Mar 2017 #4

And the new "do"... Heartstrings Mar 2017 #234

She's more than welcome to come out of the woods... Agschmid Mar 2017 #5

I agree. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #12

Yup. Agschmid Mar 2017 #28

That's big of you.. she said nothing about running for the damn POTUS. Cha Mar 2017 #36

She would have. Agschmid Mar 2017 #51

Yeah, you're allowed.. and I'm allowed to give my thought on it. Cha Mar 2017 #58

It really hurts your credibility to baselessly accuse someone of alerting on you. SunSeeker Mar 2017 #88

Someone did alert on that post, though. I know, because I was on the jury for it. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #220

You being on the jury does not give you any insight as to WHO alerted. SunSeeker Mar 2017 #221

Is there an accusation up there as to who alerted? I dont see one. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #222

Yes, the person implied Cha alerted. SunSeeker Mar 2017 #225

"Even through my previous post was alerted on." Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #226

If you don't know, then I can't help you. nt SunSeeker Mar 2017 #227

Probably true. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #229

2+2Yellow is an opinion as well, regardless of how idiotic it is. LanternWaste Mar 2017 #266

No, she didn't. Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #56

lol Cha Mar 2017 #61

OK. nt Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #109

Which lines? JHan Mar 2017 #83

Well, that's some time before she can run again. Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #87

shes still a very powerful nfluencer.... samnsara Mar 2017 #198

Welcome to DU, Susan Calvin! calimary Mar 2017 #85

I'm the poster previously known as SusanCalvin Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #86

Even for mayor of NYC? (nt) ehrnst Mar 2017 #183

I don't care.. Millions of us do like her. Cha Mar 2017 #215

Oh good grief radical noodle Mar 2017 #98

People can be so hateful uponit7771 Mar 2017 #134

She only tweeted one line. Any other is firmly made up in your head. fleabiscuit Mar 2017 #219

I'm With You Cha Me. Mar 2017 #59

Mahalo, Me. Cha Mar 2017 #66

I would have loved for Hillary to have won, but it is a strech to say that she was cheated out of it karynnj Mar 2017 #197

nobody here will cop to the fact that she lost the Presidency twice already jodymarie aimee Mar 2017 #201

Most people do -- it is also important to argue that she is still a powerful voice for us karynnj Mar 2017 #206

I disagree. "Party elite"... just another attempt at insuling buzzwords.. Cha Mar 2017 #208

That is not fair karynnj Mar 2017 #209

Bull.. I'll said it again.. I don't care how you try spin this Cha Mar 2017 #210

It's almost like something extremely unusual happened, like even by foreign agents. Or something. fleabiscuit Mar 2017 #223

I couldn't disagree more. I think Comey dramatically reshaped the race. StevieM Mar 2017 #253

Hard to explain Feingold zipplewrath Mar 2017 #264

I just addressed Feingold and other Democratic candidates. I gave a complete explanation, StevieM Mar 2017 #267

No single leader zipplewrath Mar 2017 #268

I think that the GOP did very well in the 2010 midterms because the economy didn't recover StevieM Mar 2017 #269

Seems there's always an excuse zipplewrath Mar 2017 #271

2nd and 3rd that. Bigtime triron Mar 2017 #216

That's for sure! GWC58 Mar 2017 #139

Awww.. we're on the same page, GWC58! Cha Mar 2017 #145

Thanks for saying so! GWC58 Mar 2017 #146

Hasn't She Been Criticised Enough Already? Me. Mar 2017 #50

I'm not criticizing her, she just shouldn't run again. Agschmid Mar 2017 #53

Yep. nt Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #57

You Are & This Is MIne Me. Mar 2017 #63

Well I'm sure she can handle my random internet posting criticism. Agschmid Mar 2017 #65

. Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #69

No doubt, Hillary is a strong woman. Cha Mar 2017 #148

It is an interesting pre-emptive first reaction lapucelle Mar 2017 #72

That's nice. Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #81

I would never presume to predicate lapucelle Mar 2017 #89

Post removed Post removed Mar 2017 #91

Well Said Me. Mar 2017 #93

I don't "predicate" her choices. Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #95

Didn't you use the expression "as long as"? lapucelle Mar 2017 #176

And I defend anyone's right to "presume." Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #96

I understand this will come as I shock to you BainsBane Mar 2017 #166

Ya, not everyone is "my mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts." fleabiscuit Mar 2017 #224

Well aren't you special. Also, we heard you the first 6 times. Hekate Mar 2017 #158

Well said! Blue_Roses Mar 2017 #160

+1 Starry Messenger Mar 2017 #167

No end yet of people presuming to tell a woman what she should do. delisen Mar 2017 #172

You'd vote for John Edwards in a primary????? Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #228

Actually there's a County Executive race in Westchester..... crazycatlady Mar 2017 #177

Oh I know: How about the PTA at her grandaughter's school? Hekate Mar 2017 #186

Yeah...or "hone your message" LaydeeBug Mar 2017 #191

Do not divide us! nola57 Mar 2017 #207

Welcome to DU gopiscrap Mar 2017 #263

Yep. nt Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #54

I voted for Hillary last time; I'd vote with pleasure for her again. With your premission, I mean . NBachers Mar 2017 #105

me too samnsara Mar 2017 #199

I don't think she will BainsBane Mar 2017 #124

Nixon did. And won the second time. okasha Mar 2017 #162

Same. Agschmid Mar 2017 #181

Adlai Stevenson in '52 & '56 Timer Mar 2017 #193

Personally, I don't see that in her future. herding cats Mar 2017 #144

She can do what she pleases as a citizen. joshcryer Mar 2017 #169

She is more than welcome to come out of the woods ESPECIALLY if that LaydeeBug Mar 2017 #189

I'm not a bigot, but thanks for the attempted personal insult. Agschmid Mar 2017 #190

So you allege... LanternWaste Mar 2017 #265

Meh. She and Bill are figures from the past geek tragedy Mar 2017 #6

Sorry, but as someone whose has devoted her life to public service she has every still_one Mar 2017 #10

I am with you. jrthin Mar 2017 #14

She and President Clinton brer cat Mar 2017 #15

To speak out, yes. Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #118

She didn't allude to running again why throw this rock? uponit7771 Mar 2017 #138

perhaps a bit of envy of an incredibly smart and experienced woman is still afloat? triron Mar 2017 #149

+1, and the people who voted for him in hiding uponit7771 Mar 2017 #150

perhaps to use as an excuse so they can speak negatively of Hillary. still_one Mar 2017 #152

Agreed. nt bunnies Mar 2017 #16

I agree that other, younger politicians must step up Blue_true Mar 2017 #17

This isn't about running for president BainsBane Mar 2017 #46

That would be great, from anybody. nt Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #60

Jimmy Carter and Jerry Brown are older than her, and more relevant to the Democratic soul LuvLoogie Mar 2017 #24

Gavin Newsom. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #30

If he can gain the Governor's office in California and implement single-payer, LuvLoogie Mar 2017 #45

I agree that Newsom can't run until 2024 but I am hoping that we will have an incumbent Democratic StevieM Mar 2017 #70

Any sane tentative list for 2020 has to have Senator Warren as a top contender. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #74

The difference is that Senator Obama was in office for 2 years before he started to run StevieM Mar 2017 #78

Bottom line is we need to lead on marijuana legalization. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #79

Boldly! Without hedging on more research is needed. aikoaiko Mar 2017 #92

Obama at least got elected to the Senate 4 years before election day MrPurple Mar 2017 #119

It's time for our party to get out in front of the issue, that seems patently obvious to me. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #76

Gavin Newsom would probably step aside if Hillary was going to run JI7 Mar 2017 #106

Hope so. nt Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #111

True. But I dont sense any great enthusiasm for another Hillary run. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #129

it would depend on who was running JI7 Mar 2017 #131

It's all hands on deck BainsBane Mar 2017 #26

She is a powerful and important voice Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #32

Same thing I said about the posts poo pooing Our Revolution BainsBane Mar 2017 #44

True. The only poo pooing we should be do-doing Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #84

You're the shit Warren! Thanks for another smile. bettyellen Mar 2017 #192

Exactly. We need all the help we can get. AgadorSparticus Mar 2017 #43

HRCDS Stinky The Clown Mar 2017 #47

I don't think that's Geek Tragedy BainsBane Mar 2017 #49

I disagree. Even though I supported Bernie, I think babylonsister Mar 2017 #27

She was robbed, period. Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #71

How so??? Beacool Mar 2017 #31

Exactly, BeaCool... that's Ridiculous.. yeah everyone gets to speak Cha Mar 2017 #40

The anti-Clinton crowd would like to pretend that they don't exist. Beacool Mar 2017 #75

Yes! And, I'm one of those Millions of peeps! Cha Mar 2017 #113

Me too!!! Beacool Mar 2017 #115

It's amazing to me lapucelle Mar 2017 #182

I would too. Beacool Mar 2017 #237

exactly. nt m-lekktor Mar 2017 #34

Bull.. we need all the damn help we can get.. Millions of People love Cha Mar 2017 #38

Yeah Why would you want to discourage ANYONE Opposing trump... Cha Mar 2017 #39

What a shitty thing to say. Stinky The Clown Mar 2017 #48

Thanks. eom Cha Mar 2017 #67

She had 65,844,954 total votes. herding cats Mar 2017 #130

No, that's not factually true. herding cats Mar 2017 #121

Whether they like it or not, every time the Clintons geek tragedy Mar 2017 #174

That's because so many people listen to the Clintons Progressive dog Mar 2017 #195

It wasn't in 2016 nt geek tragedy Mar 2017 #196

Yup, the Russians , jill Stein, and others Progressive dog Mar 2017 #200

3 million more votes says she's not uponit7771 Mar 2017 #137

They should retire and shut up. The 90s are over. elehhhhna Mar 2017 #163

No, they shouldn't. Yes, we all know it's 2017.. time for all Democratic Cha Mar 2017 #212

Their Foundation is certainly not still in the past, and neither is Carter. ehrnst Mar 2017 #184

Welcome home Hillary. sheshe2 Mar 2017 #7

omg i hope so.. i want her...... samnsara Mar 2017 #8

Looking forward to HRC getting back on the world stage and pointing democratisphere Mar 2017 #9

Um. Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #73

65,844,954 Americans voted for her. herding cats Mar 2017 #140

Unfortunately, that kind of thinking is the reason drumpf is our ridiculous President democratisphere Mar 2017 #164

Thanks for the sentiment, but "Democrat" Party? Twice? Hekate Mar 2017 #187

She's been shining a light for decades, brer cat Mar 2017 #11

Awesome! Gore1FL Mar 2017 #13

Exactly. nt Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #68

YES! DemForEvar Mar 2017 #18

She looks much better! CountAllVotes Mar 2017 #19

She is the legitimate president. period. triron Mar 2017 #20

This is true. nt Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #62

No. She's not. Flatpicker Mar 2017 #80

This is also true. nt. Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author Tribalceltic Mar 2017 #101

Sorry Flatpicker Mar 2017 #104

As a former Election Reform group stalwart, Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #117

Those I can understand Flatpicker Mar 2017 #125

I buy it, sorta, Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #128

To think of a hack of that magnitude would require almost every part of the government to be asleep. LenaBaby61 Mar 2017 #147

"They had plenty of time to change the rules"? It will take a Constitutional Amendment.... Hekate Mar 2017 #161

Her willingness to do so demonstrates her love for this country ecstatic Mar 2017 #21

With ice cream in the fridge. NBachers Mar 2017 #107

Sorry, Hillary...not your fault, but it really is too late for that The Sand Reckoner Mar 2017 #23

NO. It's not too late.. it's the damn Perfect time because it's happening NOW Cha Mar 2017 #41

It's too late to make nice with these people The Sand Reckoner Mar 2017 #82

Not talking about "making nice.." Talking about Hillary's Cha Mar 2017 #123

It says nothing about her working with Trump BainsBane Mar 2017 #120

I'd rather Flatpicker Mar 2017 #25

Yep. Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #77

She looks lovely in that photo. Beacool Mar 2017 #29

Her voice is needed and welcomed. panader0 Mar 2017 #33

It's the Perfect Time because it's happening .. you don't force Cha Mar 2017 #35

We could have all been "stronger together" lambchopp59 Mar 2017 #37

Right on! PinkTiger Mar 2017 #110

With an axe... smirkymonkey Mar 2017 #42

Fine with me, Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #52

Next time I see her I'll be sure to tell her she should run again. nt stevenleser Mar 2017 #141

k&r n/t lordsummerisle Mar 2017 #55

Kick his ass. lpbk2713 Mar 2017 #94

I fear for her. She'll be attacked mercilessly. Honeycombe8 Mar 2017 #99

I wouldn't be surprised if she ran for governor of NY. hrmjustin Mar 2017 #100

I love Hillary most of all... more than any other Democrat EVER!!! NurseJackie Mar 2017 #102

Yes, yes and yes! nt SticksnStones Mar 2017 #170

I wish her much success in supporting the resistance. aikoaiko Mar 2017 #103

YAY! burrowowl Mar 2017 #108

Ok cool Lotusflower70 Mar 2017 #112

she could do a thank you tour. should have no prob topping trumps weak turnouts....again nt msongs Mar 2017 #114

I will never criticise Hillary again orangecrush Mar 2017 #116

I hope not to have to. Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #127

And I respect your right to do so. orangecrush Mar 2017 #133

Mahalo orangecrush.. you're a mensch Cha Mar 2017 #151

Thanks, Cha. orangecrush Mar 2017 #156

Si.. Cha Mar 2017 #157

Psst, you've been doing so here in this very thread. herding cats Mar 2017 #142

What a great photo of her. pat_k Mar 2017 #126

KNR Lucinda Mar 2017 #132

who are we to say salster Mar 2017 #135

K&R... spanone Mar 2017 #143

I'm choking up here. Please make it so, dear Hillary. We wanted to give you all the time you need... Hekate Mar 2017 #153

As Trump plots destruction today, let's stop arguing Justice Mar 2017 #159

Yay!!!!!!! caroldansen Mar 2017 #168

Great woman. It makes be very sad that she's been so mistreated. nt Kahuna7 Mar 2017 #171

She looks great. betsuni Mar 2017 #175

Yeah-Hillary Clinton is a very important voice Gothmog Mar 2017 #178

We need your voice, Madam should-be-president! mcar Mar 2017 #179

Looking forward to it. She is an asset and we need her in this fight for sanity. livetohike Mar 2017 #180

knr triron Mar 2017 #185

Awesome Hillary! Come on out! The Russians did this to us! nt LaydeeBug Mar 2017 #188

Hillary should've been the one picked to give the Democratic response Seasider Mar 2017 #202

Remember Hillary is extremely qualified and her character was assassinated sharedvalues Mar 2017 #203

Wow! That's what it felt like, but I assumed that was just me... nt LAS14 Mar 2017 #204

I agree on the qualifications, but she has some responsibility for karynnj Mar 2017 #242

Rove and Bush did worse things with email sharedvalues Mar 2017 #244

Agree Rove and Bush were far worse - and so was Powell, karynnj Mar 2017 #245

the email story was blown up. JHan Mar 2017 #251

I agree it was given too much emphasis karynnj Mar 2017 #254

Yes, mistakes were made. JHan Mar 2017 #255

Hopefully not. ihaveaquestion Mar 2017 #205

66 Million people voted for Hillary.. she damn well will Cha Mar 2017 #211

Not all those voters voted FOR her. Lots just voted against DT. ihaveaquestion Mar 2017 #249

NO, you're "unrealistic" to say she can't speak. Wbo cares if all those Cha Mar 2017 #256

No one said she couldn't speak. ihaveaquestion Mar 2017 #262

That must be why she gets standing ovations everywhere she goes BainsBane Mar 2017 #260

It looks like she had ... NanceGreggs Mar 2017 #261

Many people feel the same way about the man in your avatar. brer cat Mar 2017 #259

We need a new generation of Democratic leaders. Her time has come and gone. kwassa Mar 2017 #213

We need her voice now.. I don't see how anyone would want to Cha Mar 2017 #214

Agree 100%! Kath2 Mar 2017 #233

Can you believe this, Kath! Cha Mar 2017 #236

"Well, she'll persist.. and too bad for them.. Great for the Planet, tho. " Kath2 Mar 2017 #241

Truth! ihaveaquestion Mar 2017 #247

It would be nice to see her in a Jedi robe and packing a lightsaber. fleabiscuit Mar 2017 #231

Sounds like her.. wouldn't it be nice! Cha Mar 2017 #243

the hill tries to install so many hooks in my computer, paused nexflix always auto starts. Sunlei Mar 2017 #235

That's a really sweet post.. Mahalo, Sunlei! Cha Mar 2017 #258

"Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways oasis Mar 2017 #238

Society of Irish Women.. Cha Mar 2017 #240

ImWithHer oasis Mar 2017 #246

Yes, oasis.. and President Obama wouldn't be Cha Mar 2017 #248

She had her Henry David Thoreau moment, and is now ready to act? guillaumeb Mar 2017 #252

Good! Trump has changed the rules so nows everyone should play the new game in town lunatica Mar 2017 #270