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RBInMaine

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93. No, 4 justices said it WAS constitutional both under the commerce and necessary & proper clauses.
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 07:27 AM
Jun 2012

Read the whole ruling. The more progressive justices all said it was ok both under the commerce clause and the necessary and proper clause in addition to the taxation powers. Roberts said it was ok only under the taxation authority.

This law was clearly legal under all three theories. Under the commerce clause, Roberts and the other conservative justices said that it was not constitutional because it impelled commerce instead of regulating already-existing commerce. The more liberal justices said that under the commerce clause it was certainly constitutional because the healthcare market is very unique in that everyone, whether or not they have insurance, IS in this interstate market because anyone may need healthcare at any moment and everyone will absolutely need it at some point. It is not discretionary. And when someone doesn't have insurance but needs medical care, they will get it at emergency rooms which jacks up everyone else's premiums thus affecting interstate commerce given that many health plans are national plans, many people need healthcare when in other states, many go to other states for it, and the medications covered by insurance are an interstate market. They are exactly right. The healthcare market is unique and everyone is certainly a part of it whether or not they have insurnance.

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Presumably only one person from CNN was in the room holding the decision cthulu2016 Jun 2012 #1
story says producer Bill Mears was inside the room grasswire Jun 2012 #4
Bill Mears should be fired. Baitball Blogger Jun 2012 #6
Morons dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #2
Well, there we go. LOL closeupready Jun 2012 #58
I never thought I would say something good about CNN and especially FOX SoutherDem Jun 2012 #3
A "decision" is not a decision until you get to the end of it. nanabugg Jun 2012 #7
They were so sure it would be overturned SoutherDem Jun 2012 #46
Yes, nanabugg. You read the last lines of each section first and then go to the beginning. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #63
+1 nt Life Long Dem Jun 2012 #110
When a decision's more than a hundred pages long you kinda need more than the first few words. (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2012 #9
They just have to read the syllabus, but they didn't even do that. RedSpartan Jun 2012 #62
Here's my problem with that... sendero Jun 2012 #12
Reminds of the 2000 election cilla4progress Jun 2012 #54
There's nothing good for CNN and Fox in this. They BLEW it badly. Zen Democrat Jun 2012 #15
CSPAN 3 BumRushDaShow Jun 2012 #18
The cynical part of me believes this wasn't an accident liberalhistorian Jun 2012 #73
I think conservative media has gotten too big for their britches. fasttense Jun 2012 #94
Not an accident? thesquanderer Jun 2012 #97
The upside is that their pundits liberalhistorian Jun 2012 #107
Unfortunately for them, the SCOTUS doesn't release its decisions as Facebook updates n/t deutsey Jun 2012 #26
CNN was not trying to get it right, they were trying to get it first. Gold Metal Flake Jun 2012 #39
Then you gotta watch this --> savalez Jun 2012 #40
The whole clip was really good SoutherDem Jun 2012 #44
The problem was that BOTH of them wanted to slam the shiite out of the president Cosmocat Jun 2012 #67
CNN & FOX got what they got because they rushed the story. backscatter712 Jun 2012 #87
This is probably what happens on FoxNews every day. Baitball Blogger Jun 2012 #5
I did notice they had a job posting for a copy editor as of yesterday afternoon.. (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2012 #8
Wow, maybe I'll apply. RebelOne Jun 2012 #42
They don't care tularetom Jun 2012 #10
+1 Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #14
exactly. Raffi Ella Jun 2012 #69
this is CNN after all stuntcat Jun 2012 #109
What is this CNN thing everyone is talking about? progressoid Jun 2012 #11
I believe they stated that the mandate had been ruled unconstitutional n/t IDemo Jun 2012 #16
I think it's the trash journalism subsidiary of Fox News. toddwv Jun 2012 #22
DUzy! BumRushDaShow Jun 2012 #88
It's all over the internets. Here you go. Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #104
Did that mensa candidate *really* put "CNN" and "gold standard" in one sentence?? Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #13
I and many others have long regarded CNN as the gold standard in news. The 1st one I turn to for Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #105
John King is the slimiest of the lot. He was thrilled that he was able to say that it was damaging AlinPA Jun 2012 #17
I wasn't watching but could imagine they had a look of glee at the bad news Whisp Jun 2012 #47
THAT is why the got it wrong Cosmocat Jun 2012 #68
I'll bet it was Jeffrey Tooban who said that 'morons' thing. Whisp Jun 2012 #78
SCOTUS should have done a better job in releasing its decision. SDjack Jun 2012 #19
Or they could read the entire ruling toddwv Jun 2012 #21
No that is not what the SCOTUS did. former9thward Jun 2012 #25
No, 4 justices said it WAS constitutional both under the commerce and necessary & proper clauses. RBInMaine Jun 2012 #93
That is an exellent summary of the issue! n/t dragonlady Jun 2012 #103
I don't agree with your Commerce Clause theory. former9thward Jun 2012 #106
You're parroting the right wing on this. No, certain foods are discretionary. Healthcare isn't. RBInMaine Jun 2012 #108
Ah, no. Supreme Court decisions don't work that way. The details actually matter. yardwork Jun 2012 #30
"Reads like a murder mystery"....LOL ! TheDebbieDee Jun 2012 #32
Um, the SCT won't change the way they write opinions to accomodate the "morons" at Fox News and CNN. WeRQ4U Jun 2012 #37
They are supposed to be journalists, you don't go on the air with something as important as this sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #41
That's no excuse. CBS got it right in a sober careful evaluation of what was written. CNN and Fox AlinPA Jun 2012 #77
I'm sorry but I don't think we need to tell the Supreme Court ibegurpard Jun 2012 #86
I don't think any of them have ADD. That is not how ADD works. aquart Jun 2012 #96
BS! They issue a SYNOPSIS of their decision a few pages long. SCOTUS BLOG had is right immediately. RBInMaine Jun 2012 #92
The Conservative News Network certainly has fallen toddwv Jun 2012 #20
The "third staffer" got it right... tosh Jun 2012 #23
Hopefully, this will serve as a wake-up call to the folks who run CNN. GoCubsGo Jun 2012 #28
Isn't it funny that this happened on the heels tosh Jun 2012 #71
"Most trusted name in Faux imitators" is pretty close. nt hvn_nbr_2 Jun 2012 #34
And that is the story here ashling Jun 2012 #43
Uh - CNN - you ain't been the "gold standard" since Ted Turner sold you rurallib Jun 2012 #24
I stopped regularly watching them ever since Wolf Blister orgasmed on-air aint_no_life_nowhere Jun 2012 #50
I still remember when he was in Iraq sort of reporting on the first invasion arikara Jun 2012 #76
I don't think he was even in Iraq BumRushDaShow Jun 2012 #112
It epitomizes the state of journalism in America liberal N proud Jun 2012 #27
I changed my mind about giving them slack after watching the 10 minutes of reporting rufus dog Jun 2012 #29
As Chief Justice John Roberts began reading his decision rocktivity Jun 2012 #31
I thought the CNN person Iliyah Jun 2012 #33
But at least the CNN reporter looked good while she was getting it wrong. yellowcanine Jun 2012 #35
She was just passing on what her producer Mears was telling her rocktivity Jun 2012 #83
It was the best of times.... SCVDem Jun 2012 #36
I've not seen the Stewart clip, but the statement tblue37 Jun 2012 #90
If it humbles CNN, and they fix The Second Stone Jun 2012 #38
Is that channel still on? Dr Fate Jun 2012 #45
To be fair, FOX did the same thing, just sayin'. 99th_Monkey Jun 2012 #48
the difference is that fox, doesn't care about truth or integrity n/t oldhippydude Jun 2012 #55
You will certainly get no argument from me 99th_Monkey Jun 2012 #79
FOX does it every day. Eventually all Corporate News will just make up a narrative harun Jun 2012 #60
True enough. ~nt 99th_Monkey Jun 2012 #80
UPDATE: Internal CNN review coming WilliamPitt Jun 2012 #49
Complete fucking joke. closeupready Jun 2012 #64
Am I alone in believing CNN wrote their story long before the broadcast? mulsh Jun 2012 #51
They probably had two versions ready to go. That they got it wrong is bad but worse EFerrari Jun 2012 #53
Maybe it was deliberate. No one wanted a mandate leftstreet Jun 2012 #74
I agree. John King was reading his crap about eveything being a failure for the President on this AlinPA Jun 2012 #82
Nope. Just another shill for the GOP and Murdoch judesedit Jun 2012 #52
I hope ALL the CNN staffers get hooked on "Newsroom". . annabanana Jun 2012 #56
yeah that would be awesome TNLib Jun 2012 #99
McMedia throws a temper tantrum like the spoiled brats they are. closeupready Jun 2012 #57
My advice to CNN: Stop trying to compete with Fox, and focus on reporting the news. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #59
"Never trust anyone in the news media." Yes, accurate. closeupready Jun 2012 #65
I don't even trust them 100%. mwooldri Jun 2012 #100
Exactly. laundry_queen Jun 2012 #89
Read the whole book before giving your book report CNN. tridim Jun 2012 #61
Fox News getting it wrong is understandable...!? amerciti001 Jun 2012 #66
Call me Mr. Skeptical Permanut Jun 2012 #70
No, for once it was not propaganda. Quantess Jun 2012 #75
CNN = "Confusing News Network" KansDem Jun 2012 #72
"The most busted name in news" bupkus Jun 2012 #91
Cr#pNotNews. EFerrari Jun 2012 #95
'long the gold standard in television news' marmar Jun 2012 #81
Hey, I almost feel bad for them DearAbby Jun 2012 #84
the gold standarad in television news? robinlynne Jun 2012 #85
It used to be in the early 90's when Ted Turnner owned TNLib Jun 2012 #98
When ted Turner started it, well it was nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #111
It may have been a legal issue. raouldukelives Jun 2012 #101
Well this isn't your Mike Malloy's CNN afterall SHRED Jun 2012 #102
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