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gotnoscript

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Sat Jun 30, 2012, 07:41 AM Jun 2012

Why the ObamaCare Ruling Stinks [View all]

Apparently, it's not just the right wing that doesn't like Obama's health plan. They may hate it for all the wrong reasons, but here's Dave Lindorf's take on it:

"The real losers in the latest Supreme Court decision, however, are the people of the United States. Not those who will be required to go out and buy some over-priced, minimal coverage, rip-off insurance plan offered by the private insurance industry, or to pay a “tax” to the IRS for not doing so, but everyone.

"This is because the Affordable Health Care Act is not affordable. It does little or nothing to control health care costs, which are destined to continue to gobble up an ever increasing amount of the total US Gross Domestic Product as well as of corporate profits and families’ incomes.""

What? But Obama said it would reduce drug costs by $80 billion, right? Not so fast. As Greg Palast pointed out:

"I checked out the government's health stats (at HHS.gov), put fresh batteries in my calculator and totted up US spending on prescription drugs projected by the government for the next ten years. It added up to $3.6 trillion.

"In other words, Obama's big deal with Big Pharma saves $80 billion out of a total $3.6 trillion. That's 2%. ...

"The Big Pharma kingpins did not actually agree to cut their prices. Their promise with Obama is something a little oilier: they apparently promised that, over ten years, they will reduce the amount at which they would otherwise raise drug prices. Got that? In other words, the Obama deal locks in a doubling of drug costs, projected to rise over the period of "savings" from a quarter trillion dollars a year to half a trillion dollars a year. Minus that 2% [$80 billion]."

And what about those FDA approved drugs? Turns out those FDA approved "safe" drugs kill 106,000 people a year from correctly prescribed doses. Got that? 106,000 people per year are killed from adverse affects by so-called safe, FDA approved, correctly prescribed drugs. Now that Obama has consulted with the Pharmaceuticals to allow the doubling of their profits in 10 years he can rest assured that now that 30 million extra people will be insured (an extra 10%) another 300,000 people will be murdered by these drugs.

What, you say? The research said they were safe?! Well, turns out, the doctors in bed with big Pharma don't actually do very scientific research. As Dr. Marcia Angell has written:

"The problems I’ve discussed are not limited to psychiatry, although they reach their most florid form there. Similar conflicts of interest and biases exist in virtually every field of medicine, particularly those that rely heavily on drugs or devices. It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of The New England Journal of Medicine."

Pseudo science backed health "care" for all of us. No thanks. I'll pay the tax instead.

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Why the ObamaCare Ruling Stinks [View all] gotnoscript Jun 2012 OP
well yes, the problem with the ACA is that it continues the same corrupt medical insurance system, NoMoreWarNow Jun 2012 #1
Do you understand that maximum out of pocket includes drugs? flamingdem Jun 2012 #56
Gotnologic. aquart Jun 2012 #2
Oh snap! HappyMe Jun 2012 #7
What's not logical?... truth2power Jun 2012 #10
Let me add another bit of logic (reality) to this. To get to the Presidency, you have to sleep with Dustlawyer Jun 2012 #65
I agree. The real test would come with a second term.... truth2power Jul 2012 #92
DUzy malaise Jun 2012 #68
he goes have a script though. and plenty of hannity talking points dionysus Jun 2012 #70
Tell that to mother of a kid with pink eye JNelson6563 Jun 2012 #3
That's silly gotnoscript Jun 2012 #4
And what fine source of research ate you basing that conclusion on? Godhumor Jun 2012 #15
No, it isn't. JNelson6563 Jun 2012 #19
So, go out and lobby your congress critters mercilessly. BlueToTheBone Jun 2012 #22
If you had Interstitial Cystitis you LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #33
"too much urinating" is also a common symptom from a urinary tract infection. MichaelMcGuire Jun 2012 #58
The Fact Is That ACA Is A GOP Plan They Supported But Hate It Now. TheMastersNemesis Jun 2012 #5
I think its more like Dokkie Jun 2012 #13
It was proposed as the alternative to HilaryCare bigbrother05 Jun 2012 #71
Of course it stinks and sucks KatChatter Jun 2012 #6
I think a lot of people will pay the tax instead. Laelth Jun 2012 #8
Another voice of reason. nt Blanks Jun 2012 #34
If enough people pay the tax, I wonder if that can become the public option. freedom fighter jh Jun 2012 #52
That is my hope, certainly. n/t Laelth Jul 2012 #89
waaaaaahhhhhhhh geckosfeet Jun 2012 #9
Yep - trolls, sockpuppets, what have you...... kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #59
Yes they are SoutherDem Jun 2012 #75
Fair enough...pay the tax alcibiades_mystery Jun 2012 #11
More purist nonsense from the left's version of the TeaParty. RBInMaine Jun 2012 #12
agreed maddezmom Jun 2012 #64
It's Troll-aterday on the DU! Politicub Jun 2012 #14
How have you handled your health care up until now? Quantess Jun 2012 #16
The trololos.... Aviation Pro Jun 2012 #17
But Social Security didn't start by requiring people to start a private account Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #60
Exactly Art_from_Ark Jul 2012 #85
it'll evolve, all right. but for whose benefit? already capital is lining up to "evolve" it. HiPointDem Jul 2012 #94
Welcome to DU. I disagree. Lex Jun 2012 #18
It may not be single-payer, which is what I want. . . DinahMoeHum Jun 2012 #20
Totally Agree LovingA2andMI Jun 2012 #45
I'm guessing another under 30, single, male who rgbecker Jun 2012 #21
Yes, and another healthy young man or woman Quantess Jun 2012 #24
Worse, Lindorff is a Ron Paul fan. Another fauxgressive geek tragedy Jun 2012 #29
I'm a single female twice that age Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #62
Enslavement to insurance companies Individualism Jun 2012 #23
The repugs will make sure that the IRS can't hire new agents, so its a Win ,Win for bahrbearian Jun 2012 #27
And that translates into "I have health insurance and still can't afford health care". Arkansas Granny Jun 2012 #53
Don't get your hopes up. The last time the Republicans gutted funding for the IRS TrollBuster9090 Jun 2012 #55
Can always count on the Repugs to protect the Rich, while screwing the poor, bahrbearian Jun 2012 #67
To use a word like "enslavement" thucythucy Jun 2012 #41
Thank you deutsey Jun 2012 #54
It's easy to disparage our medical system and the importance of healthcare Erda Jun 2012 #25
This stubborn insistence that the mandate does not help anyone treestar Jun 2012 #26
Lindorff prefers Ron Paul to Obama. Not a progressive. geek tragedy Jun 2012 #28
I wondered when this garbage would be posted... SidDithers Jun 2012 #30
Sid! Did you come from San Francisky? TrollBuster9090 Jun 2012 #49
Who the hell left the gate open ? The nutjobs have arrived in mass. russspeakeasy Jun 2012 #31
My comprehansion is fine. meaculpa2011 Jun 2012 #36
We have spell check now. russspeakeasy Jun 2012 #40
Yes, but using it is a sign of WEAKNESS! ;P TrollBuster9090 Jun 2012 #48
OK.. russspeakeasy Jun 2012 #51
Best you can do? meaculpa2011 Jun 2012 #57
"Who the hell left the gate open?" Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #86
Well said... russspeakeasy Jul 2012 #88
Ayn Randian Libertarian fail thread is EPIC FAIL. n/t GarroHorus Jun 2012 #32
The first paragraph tells me this guy doesn't get it... lame54 Jun 2012 #35
Just as SS and Medicare, this is NOT the final version. Atman Jun 2012 #37
Social Security did not start with *private accounts* Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #63
It doesn't fail at all, because I didn't make that analogy. Atman Jun 2012 #74
No, the insurance & medical corps are already lining up to "fix it". HiPointDem Jul 2012 #95
Remember all of the wailing and gnashing of teeth... Blanks Jun 2012 #38
Hit it Eduard.... Aviation Pro Jun 2012 #39
+1...nt SidDithers Jun 2012 #47
! dionysus Jun 2012 #66
!!! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #87
Well written post. On DU, being called a "troll" usually means MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #42
Actually, it does three things to lower costs: TrollBuster9090 Jun 2012 #46
Yes, but it is a good first step. raouldukelives Jun 2012 #61
In this case, they are an anti-medicine troll muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #72
LOL. He *was* a troll and has been axed. Lex Jun 2012 #83
Here are ProSense Jun 2012 #84
How strange to find you defending an anti-Obama troll! MjolnirTime Jul 2012 #90
The title of your Op/Ed should really be "Traditional Western Medicine is SUB-OPTIMAL." Not "Why TrollBuster9090 Jun 2012 #43
So America wasn't over-medicated with these drugs before Thursday? auburngrad82 Jun 2012 #44
DU Rec. nt woo me with science Jun 2012 #50
Seriously? Please read the links in #72 muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #73
Let's go back to bloodletting Progressive dog Jun 2012 #69
Many Agree The ACA Is Not Perfect - It Is Better Than No Reform cantbeserious Jun 2012 #76
I clearly heard the President comment on the vote Ninga Jun 2012 #77
Rome was not built in a day. Subsequent legislation can lead to negotiated ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2012 #78
Obama wins, Trolls lose MjolnirTime Jun 2012 #79
indeed OKNancy Jun 2012 #80
So just pay the tax, at least you will be contributing to society. FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #81
**** OP has left the building **** pinboy3niner Jun 2012 #82
Hi, Mole scheming daemons Jul 2012 #91
kr HiPointDem Jul 2012 #93
The PPR'd TROLL is thankful for the recs, I'm sure. NYC Liberal Jul 2012 #96
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