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173. I only Remember Clinton's impeachment

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 11:25 PM

Mar 2017

I was too young for Nixon.

But I remember Ken Starr appointed as special prosecutor and the 3-4 year investigation of Clinton and the impeachment. The Benghazi witchhunt felt just like it.

Overblown, partisan, of no importance to the nation's concerns, a cynical attempt to score political points. That was my take on it.

Hell, Trump was "grabbing pussy" of married women while married. Every Republican alive in 2016 who voted for impeachment voted for Trump. I'm sure of it.

The Clinton impeachment did the opposite of what it should have - it taught me the Republican party was a sham. Party over country in 1996.

The current Republican party is a collection of corrupt sociopaths and hacks, available to the highest bidder, domestic or foreign. The only allegiance is to money-how to hoard it with no regard to human concerns. Most would let Putin invade if they could make some good money from it.

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If you are over 60, or studied Watergate at length...Does this feel like Watergate ? [View all] Stuart G Mar 2017 OP

I mentioned it felt like the beginnings of Watergate several weeks ago. Kablooie Mar 2017 #1

Huge difference. Nixon had a democratic congress yeoman6987 Mar 2017 #188

His supporters are hoping there is no action, that's for sure yeoman6987. Kingofalldems Mar 2017 #189

No. WillowTree Mar 2017 #2

Yes Glitterati Mar 2017 #3

For the past month... jaysunb Mar 2017 #4

not over 60 but read about it and this is a lot worse JI7 Mar 2017 #5

One aspect feels very similar. kentuck Mar 2017 #6

Your 13 words say what I feel and believed then, and now !!!! Stuart G Mar 2017 #9

I was only 8 volstork Mar 2017 #29

Me, too! Cosmocat Mar 2017 #43

THIS oldtime dfl_er Mar 2017 #77

I lived in a Repub area but the kids I went to HS with either hated Nixon or shut up. kerry-is-my-prez Mar 2017 #126

I think trump is much worse than a crook radical noodle Mar 2017 #179

Yes... and no. lapfog_1 Mar 2017 #7

Excellent summary. CrispyQ Mar 2017 #55

I think Rachael Maddow will be that person and jaysunb Mar 2017 #92

My view, too. JohnnyLib2 Mar 2017 #103

What you said. Yes. Much worse crimes and much more complicit and partisan congress. Amaryllis Mar 2017 #131

This is a good summary! calimary Mar 2017 #180

I was very young during Watergate (sigh) but this sure seems worse. skylucy Mar 2017 #8

It's worse. Skidmore Mar 2017 #10

I'll second that! dhol82 Mar 2017 #84

I agree. This is worse. Also, more people are willfully clueless now. yardwork Mar 2017 #129

Much, much worse. Mme. Defarge Mar 2017 #177

Part of me feels like Watergate -- although a bigger crime. Other part hopes it's not Fitzmas. Hoyt Mar 2017 #11

Damn ! you just HAD to go there: Fitzmas. :) n/t jaysunb Mar 2017 #96

No LeftInTX Mar 2017 #12

I was a kid, watched every day, after school.. furtheradu Mar 2017 #13

Sort of, but Watergate took a lot longer. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2017 #14

It was slow in the beginning Zorro Mar 2017 #15

The reason Butterfield's revelation was so explosive is that, before that, John Dean KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #53

It's bigger. berni_mccoy Mar 2017 #16

Tricky Dick authorized the CIA to interfere with and obstruct an KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #56

Yes obstruction. It's still not Treason. berni_mccoy Mar 2017 #71

I think it is treason. classykaren Mar 2017 #117

Yes, it is bigger, but that wasn't the question. Does it FEEL LIKE IT yet? I maintian no. WinkyDink Mar 2017 #127

I agree DUgosh Mar 2017 #161

I watched the Watergate hearings The Blue Flower Mar 2017 #17

Yep. The stakes are much higher jberryhill Mar 2017 #30

I nearly vomited at several points today. msanthrope Mar 2017 #169

No. ananda Mar 2017 #18

It feels different to me. lapucelle Mar 2017 #19

They were sorta on board. truebluegreen Mar 2017 #40

You're probably right...my recollection is hazy. lapucelle Mar 2017 #48

Imo obstruction of justice and propaganda is what they do, now. truebluegreen Mar 2017 #59

Yes, there was a time when obstruction of justice Alice11111 Mar 2017 #82

Mentioned that on a thread this morning malaise Mar 2017 #20

More differences than similarities grantcart Mar 2017 #21

very interesting. The press has already compelled Flynn to resign and KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #66

This was my thinking as well. Alice11111 Mar 2017 #86

yes. barbtries Mar 2017 #22

the difference is jodymarie aimee Mar 2017 #23

Yep. These are not Gerald Ford Repubs. Professional liars. Alice11111 Mar 2017 #90

Yes, I agree, and this is a BIG difference. Silver Gaia Mar 2017 #116

+1, on the other hand the Ruskies have something on the KGOP leadership I believe... they're lookin uponit7771 Mar 2017 #136

no the con party of today is nothing compared to that con party Ohioblue22 Mar 2017 #24

I'm not over 60 but did study Watergate gopiscrap Mar 2017 #25

No, but it depends on what you mean by "Watergate" jberryhill Mar 2017 #26

We were dealing with a lot saner president in Nixon. Paladin Mar 2017 #27

I am 67 and yes we were. He needs to go. classykaren Mar 2017 #122

Saner offspring as well! WinkyDink Mar 2017 #128

Today did. Chasstev365 Mar 2017 #28

Exactly. These are not responsible, ethical people. Alice11111 Mar 2017 #98

I also listened to Iran/Contra and WhiteTara Mar 2017 #31

Will President Pence pardon Ex-President Trump? NurseJackie Mar 2017 #32

Yes...No doubt if it gets to that point The empressof all Mar 2017 #39

That's an intriguing possibility. But would that end any criminal investigations? NurseJackie Mar 2017 #41

If he is of sound mind it should of course continue The empressof all Mar 2017 #51

He would probably be pardoned. The Repubs won't want investigations and trials goung on forever. Alice11111 Mar 2017 #99

Don't assume Pence will be president Renew Deal Mar 2017 #85

Rachel def proved Pence knew about Flynn-Russia-Turkey wordpix Mar 2017 #89

I listened to the hearings with Butterfield, MyOwnPeace Mar 2017 #33

Its Watergate at light speed. procon Mar 2017 #34

No. Seems, feels, appears worse. n/t sprinkleeninow Mar 2017 #35

Yes and No The empressof all Mar 2017 #36

watergate was bad, this is worse msdogi Mar 2017 #37

Welcome to DU underpants Mar 2017 #57

That was the first time something like that had happened to the country. ginnyinWI Mar 2017 #38

I'm almost 76. This is different. trof Mar 2017 #42

I, too, am vintage. I agree with you. EOM elfin Mar 2017 #158

It's worse. For one thing the House & Senate are so damn polarized, that I haven't seen signs... Hekate Mar 2017 #44

I am not sure at what point Repubs chose country over party, but a significant hlthe2b Mar 2017 #45

It's scarier because the House is infected. tavernier Mar 2017 #46

that's true but also, some Cong'l R's are acting like they're complict wordpix Mar 2017 #93

It's worse. Cracklin Charlie Mar 2017 #47

I'm 64 and feel it's worse. Look on faces of Sen Feinstein and Grassely say much worse IADEMO2004 Mar 2017 #52

Agree. It feels (and IS) much worse. Silver Gaia Mar 2017 #121

I agree dflprincess Mar 2017 #157

No winetourdriver01 Mar 2017 #49

Sam Ervin engendered a lot more confidence and gravitas than Grassley or Nunce. n/t CincyDem Mar 2017 #50

I was 22 years old louis c Mar 2017 #54

Yes DeminPennswoods Mar 2017 #58

That would be a new turn Alice11111 Mar 2017 #102

Yes. It's a cloud over the Presidency... Cooley Hurd Mar 2017 #60

Feeling MFM008 Mar 2017 #61

Pushing 60... Pushing REAL hard. Comatose Sphagetti Mar 2017 #62

Others Here That Are My Age (66) Ccarmona Mar 2017 #63

This is worse lisa58 Mar 2017 #64

This is far worse than Watergate and things are breaking down for doc03 Mar 2017 #65

It should be...but we probably can't even get a Spec Prosecuter Alice11111 Mar 2017 #67

This is worse. gademocrat7 Mar 2017 #68

Yes. Feels like but worse Lint Head Mar 2017 #69

Worse. nt msanthrope Mar 2017 #70

I watched it all too and while the seriousness of it feels similar, Watergate was all in-house . The OregonBlue Mar 2017 #72

No. During Watergate, Rs wanted to get out the truth. Not true with today's Rs. stopbush Mar 2017 #73

At first, the GOPers were solidly behind Nixon. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2017 #105

Um, no. No, they didn't. WinkyDink Mar 2017 #130

We have a POTUS who may very well be extorted by or a tool of a foreign country underpants Mar 2017 #74

Congress was very, very different then. longship Mar 2017 #75

No. This is like the Strait of Hormuz suddenly springs open, flooding Eden McCamy Taylor Mar 2017 #76

This is like Watergate on steroids plus a spy novel thrown in.... bettyellen Mar 2017 #78

Completely EricMaundry Mar 2017 #79

Pretty much, but Nixon was easier to pity. dchill Mar 2017 #80

71 Mollyann Mar 2017 #81

Maybe Watergate on meth and anabolic steroids Warpy Mar 2017 #83

I agree, Warpy wordpix Mar 2017 #87

By 1974, a lot of people had realized he'd lied about ending the war Warpy Mar 2017 #94

I know, white collar crooks like Nixon make off with the loot wordpix Mar 2017 #149

Watergate was purely domestic. tirebiter Mar 2017 #88

The GOP was not this messed up ThoughtCriminal Mar 2017 #91

Whole new ballgame here... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #95

It does a little though the Democrats were in charge then. jalan48 Mar 2017 #97

Watergate was worse, much worse. kstewart33 Mar 2017 #100

This is far more serious, an election is on trial, not just a President. L. Coyote Mar 2017 #101

Finally, someone on this thread posts what I think is the biggest difference... llmart Mar 2017 #152

Peter Daou: I have diligently avoided saying the 2016 election was stolen L. Coyote Mar 2017 #163

Feels different to me in some respects, similar in others Jarqui Mar 2017 #104

No. By the summer of 1973, I felt Nixon would go down because of the Democratic Congress. John1956PA Mar 2017 #106

Not in the key area... regnaD kciN Mar 2017 #107

No, during Watergate, I was proud of my country Louis1895 Mar 2017 #108

Worse jojog Mar 2017 #109

I hope so! nt Mars and Minerva Mar 2017 #110

No. This is much worse. nancy1942 Mar 2017 #111

One can hope! Liberal In Red State Mar 2017 #112

Nope...We have inept media now... beachbum bob Mar 2017 #113

A bit similar....far worse NRaleighLiberal Mar 2017 #114

No it seems much worse. classykaren Mar 2017 #115

Watergate on speed. Except this is much, much worse. It took forever to get Nixon...... kerry-is-my-prez Mar 2017 #118

It's moving much faster flyingfysh Mar 2017 #119

No - Nixon engaged in coverup KT2000 Mar 2017 #120

Today began to feel like it. world wide wally Mar 2017 #123

Yes indeed! yallerdawg Mar 2017 #124

Not yet. The Republicans are still very dug in. (I watched the Watergate Hearings daily.) WinkyDink Mar 2017 #125

I was only 10 but I watched the hearings with RAPT attention and read ATPM as soon as it was out lostnfound Mar 2017 #132

As far as the number of people involved, Mr.Bill Mar 2017 #133

I am 60 ... this is much worse. We're talking about collusion with Russia Greywing Mar 2017 #134

Worse. But what is familiar is having to go through an election AFTER the first signs pnwmom Mar 2017 #135

It does and it doesn't. NastyRiffraff Mar 2017 #137

Not even close. Scruffy1 Mar 2017 #138

So far, it doesn't for me... BamaRefugee Mar 2017 #139

Can't tell yet. TygrBright Mar 2017 #140

Good analysis! The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2017 #162

Yes! FakeNoose Mar 2017 #174

As a 67-year-old, this sure as hells seems like Watergate, as I have said to others today. Akamai Mar 2017 #141

I'm in my late 60s. This feels Golden Raisin Mar 2017 #142

No it doesn't, this is far worse. 4bucksagallon Mar 2017 #143

This is worse - Watergate was totally domestic and Nixon was essentially sane compared... George II Mar 2017 #144

Yes. To indict underlings to set them up to flip on their bosses to avoid jail time is similar. ancianita Mar 2017 #145

At times I have felt we have been on the verge of another Sat Night Massacre delisen Mar 2017 #146

No. That we had a criminal president was clear, and the "show" felt unprecedented. fleabiscuit Mar 2017 #147

It is different in many ways Lithos Mar 2017 #148

No not yet........... Historic NY Mar 2017 #150

No! CK_John Mar 2017 #151

This is already a much more complex story that involves a lot more characters and mobeau69 Mar 2017 #153

no, because Congressional Republican majority keeps extensive hearings from being held. . . Stargleamer Mar 2017 #154

I don't know...When the repugs got away with outing Valerie Plame...I was.. Tikki Mar 2017 #155

Are you watching MSNBC tonight? John Dean was on and said this is almost exactly like napi21 Mar 2017 #156

Yes, on Chris Hayes' show. moondust Mar 2017 #159

to some extent yes, but there are several major differences: unblock Mar 2017 #160

Still not sure how they will get Trump without tax returns redstateblues Mar 2017 #164

No Hangingon Mar 2017 #165

no... Heartstrings Mar 2017 #166

Yes s-cubed Mar 2017 #167

I was fresh out of HS for Watergate benld74 Mar 2017 #168

Break-in: 06/17/1972; Sat. Night Massacre: 10/08/1973; Resignation: 08/08/1974; Pardon 09/08/1974 John1956PA Mar 2017 #193

The actual offense is way worse, but nothing will happen GulfCoast66 Mar 2017 #170

Before reading any response I will reply rufus dog Mar 2017 #171

Yes, it has a similar "slow moving train wreck" dynamic to it. roamer65 Mar 2017 #172

I only Remember Clinton's impeachment Juliusseizure Mar 2017 #173

Trump era is like a Watergate, Cold War intrigue , and a rising third reich era trifecta lunasun Mar 2017 #175

Worse because lots of moderate republicans then marlakay Mar 2017 #176

It feels much worse than Watergate to me radical noodle Mar 2017 #178

This isnt like Watergate. madamesilverspurs Mar 2017 #181

Yes and No dem in texas Mar 2017 #182

I was in college during Watergate. I must say this seems 1000 times worse. southerncrone Mar 2017 #183

No, this is much worse Samantha Mar 2017 #184

Ancient Vulcan Proverb; A HERETIC I AM Mar 2017 #185

There are a couple direct connections to Nixon DeminPennswoods Mar 2017 #186

John Dean, today mentioned that Sean Spicer was doing a Cover-up by diminishing the roles of riversedge Mar 2017 #187

Watergate took two years to develop and so yes there are similarities Gothmog Mar 2017 #190

I was never scared during Watergate, just angry. Greybnk48 Mar 2017 #191

The grand jury was key DeminPennswoods Mar 2017 #192

Big difference: Democrats controlled the House and Senate in 1974 onenote Mar 2017 #194

The only question Dan Mar 2017 #195

I set my monitor to B&W so it looks more authentic. Atman Mar 2017 #196

Question..to anyone reading this...did Nunes just create a situation like ..Saturday Night Massacre? Stuart G Mar 2017 #197