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186. There are a couple direct connections to Nixon

Tue Mar 21, 2017, 06:28 AM

Mar 2017

One is Roy Cohn, who reportedly was a "mentor" to Trump. Cohn goes back Joe McCarthy and the days of HUAC (house unamerican committee). Nixon was a young congressman then and also a "commie hunter".

The other is Roger Stone, who was in Nixon's orbit during Watergate, and is a long established dirty trickster.

Another interesting parallel is that Haldeman and Erhlichman created the world around Nixon as he wanted it to be. Richard Reeves wrote a biography of Nixon, "Alone in the Whitehouse" and I was surprised to learn that Haldeman and Erhlichman's background was advertizing. Think about it that Trump's closest advisor, Bannon, is also from the media/movie world and also is capable of creating the world in which Trump wants to live - one that doesn't neccesarily jibe with reality.

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If you are over 60, or studied Watergate at length...Does this feel like Watergate ? [View all] Stuart G Mar 2017 OP

I mentioned it felt like the beginnings of Watergate several weeks ago. Kablooie Mar 2017 #1

Huge difference. Nixon had a democratic congress yeoman6987 Mar 2017 #188

His supporters are hoping there is no action, that's for sure yeoman6987. Kingofalldems Mar 2017 #189

No. WillowTree Mar 2017 #2

Yes Glitterati Mar 2017 #3

For the past month... jaysunb Mar 2017 #4

not over 60 but read about it and this is a lot worse JI7 Mar 2017 #5

One aspect feels very similar. kentuck Mar 2017 #6

Your 13 words say what I feel and believed then, and now !!!! Stuart G Mar 2017 #9

I was only 8 volstork Mar 2017 #29

Me, too! Cosmocat Mar 2017 #43

THIS oldtime dfl_er Mar 2017 #77

I lived in a Repub area but the kids I went to HS with either hated Nixon or shut up. kerry-is-my-prez Mar 2017 #126

I think trump is much worse than a crook radical noodle Mar 2017 #179

Yes... and no. lapfog_1 Mar 2017 #7

Excellent summary. CrispyQ Mar 2017 #55

I think Rachael Maddow will be that person and jaysunb Mar 2017 #92

My view, too. JohnnyLib2 Mar 2017 #103

What you said. Yes. Much worse crimes and much more complicit and partisan congress. Amaryllis Mar 2017 #131

This is a good summary! calimary Mar 2017 #180

I was very young during Watergate (sigh) but this sure seems worse. skylucy Mar 2017 #8

It's worse. Skidmore Mar 2017 #10

I'll second that! dhol82 Mar 2017 #84

I agree. This is worse. Also, more people are willfully clueless now. yardwork Mar 2017 #129

Much, much worse. Mme. Defarge Mar 2017 #177

Part of me feels like Watergate -- although a bigger crime. Other part hopes it's not Fitzmas. Hoyt Mar 2017 #11

Damn ! you just HAD to go there: Fitzmas. :) n/t jaysunb Mar 2017 #96

No LeftInTX Mar 2017 #12

I was a kid, watched every day, after school.. furtheradu Mar 2017 #13

Sort of, but Watergate took a lot longer. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2017 #14

It was slow in the beginning Zorro Mar 2017 #15

The reason Butterfield's revelation was so explosive is that, before that, John Dean KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #53

It's bigger. berni_mccoy Mar 2017 #16

Tricky Dick authorized the CIA to interfere with and obstruct an KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #56

Yes obstruction. It's still not Treason. berni_mccoy Mar 2017 #71

I think it is treason. classykaren Mar 2017 #117

Yes, it is bigger, but that wasn't the question. Does it FEEL LIKE IT yet? I maintian no. WinkyDink Mar 2017 #127

I agree DUgosh Mar 2017 #161

I watched the Watergate hearings The Blue Flower Mar 2017 #17

Yep. The stakes are much higher jberryhill Mar 2017 #30

I nearly vomited at several points today. msanthrope Mar 2017 #169

No. ananda Mar 2017 #18

It feels different to me. lapucelle Mar 2017 #19

They were sorta on board. truebluegreen Mar 2017 #40

You're probably right...my recollection is hazy. lapucelle Mar 2017 #48

Imo obstruction of justice and propaganda is what they do, now. truebluegreen Mar 2017 #59

Yes, there was a time when obstruction of justice Alice11111 Mar 2017 #82

Mentioned that on a thread this morning malaise Mar 2017 #20

More differences than similarities grantcart Mar 2017 #21

very interesting. The press has already compelled Flynn to resign and KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #66

This was my thinking as well. Alice11111 Mar 2017 #86

yes. barbtries Mar 2017 #22

the difference is jodymarie aimee Mar 2017 #23

Yep. These are not Gerald Ford Repubs. Professional liars. Alice11111 Mar 2017 #90

Yes, I agree, and this is a BIG difference. Silver Gaia Mar 2017 #116

+1, on the other hand the Ruskies have something on the KGOP leadership I believe... they're lookin uponit7771 Mar 2017 #136

no the con party of today is nothing compared to that con party Ohioblue22 Mar 2017 #24

I'm not over 60 but did study Watergate gopiscrap Mar 2017 #25

No, but it depends on what you mean by "Watergate" jberryhill Mar 2017 #26

We were dealing with a lot saner president in Nixon. Paladin Mar 2017 #27

I am 67 and yes we were. He needs to go. classykaren Mar 2017 #122

Saner offspring as well! WinkyDink Mar 2017 #128

Today did. Chasstev365 Mar 2017 #28

Exactly. These are not responsible, ethical people. Alice11111 Mar 2017 #98

I also listened to Iran/Contra and WhiteTara Mar 2017 #31

Will President Pence pardon Ex-President Trump? NurseJackie Mar 2017 #32

Yes...No doubt if it gets to that point The empressof all Mar 2017 #39

That's an intriguing possibility. But would that end any criminal investigations? NurseJackie Mar 2017 #41

If he is of sound mind it should of course continue The empressof all Mar 2017 #51

He would probably be pardoned. The Repubs won't want investigations and trials goung on forever. Alice11111 Mar 2017 #99

Don't assume Pence will be president Renew Deal Mar 2017 #85

Rachel def proved Pence knew about Flynn-Russia-Turkey wordpix Mar 2017 #89

I listened to the hearings with Butterfield, MyOwnPeace Mar 2017 #33

Its Watergate at light speed. procon Mar 2017 #34

No. Seems, feels, appears worse. n/t sprinkleeninow Mar 2017 #35

Yes and No The empressof all Mar 2017 #36

watergate was bad, this is worse msdogi Mar 2017 #37

Welcome to DU underpants Mar 2017 #57

That was the first time something like that had happened to the country. ginnyinWI Mar 2017 #38

I'm almost 76. This is different. trof Mar 2017 #42

I, too, am vintage. I agree with you. EOM elfin Mar 2017 #158

It's worse. For one thing the House & Senate are so damn polarized, that I haven't seen signs... Hekate Mar 2017 #44

I am not sure at what point Repubs chose country over party, but a significant hlthe2b Mar 2017 #45

It's scarier because the House is infected. tavernier Mar 2017 #46

that's true but also, some Cong'l R's are acting like they're complict wordpix Mar 2017 #93

It's worse. Cracklin Charlie Mar 2017 #47

I'm 64 and feel it's worse. Look on faces of Sen Feinstein and Grassely say much worse IADEMO2004 Mar 2017 #52

Agree. It feels (and IS) much worse. Silver Gaia Mar 2017 #121

I agree dflprincess Mar 2017 #157

No winetourdriver01 Mar 2017 #49

Sam Ervin engendered a lot more confidence and gravitas than Grassley or Nunce. n/t CincyDem Mar 2017 #50

I was 22 years old louis c Mar 2017 #54

Yes DeminPennswoods Mar 2017 #58

That would be a new turn Alice11111 Mar 2017 #102

Yes. It's a cloud over the Presidency... Cooley Hurd Mar 2017 #60

Feeling MFM008 Mar 2017 #61

Pushing 60... Pushing REAL hard. Comatose Sphagetti Mar 2017 #62

Others Here That Are My Age (66) Ccarmona Mar 2017 #63

This is worse lisa58 Mar 2017 #64

This is far worse than Watergate and things are breaking down for doc03 Mar 2017 #65

It should be...but we probably can't even get a Spec Prosecuter Alice11111 Mar 2017 #67

This is worse. gademocrat7 Mar 2017 #68

Yes. Feels like but worse Lint Head Mar 2017 #69

Worse. nt msanthrope Mar 2017 #70

I watched it all too and while the seriousness of it feels similar, Watergate was all in-house . The OregonBlue Mar 2017 #72

No. During Watergate, Rs wanted to get out the truth. Not true with today's Rs. stopbush Mar 2017 #73

At first, the GOPers were solidly behind Nixon. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2017 #105

Um, no. No, they didn't. WinkyDink Mar 2017 #130

We have a POTUS who may very well be extorted by or a tool of a foreign country underpants Mar 2017 #74

Congress was very, very different then. longship Mar 2017 #75

No. This is like the Strait of Hormuz suddenly springs open, flooding Eden McCamy Taylor Mar 2017 #76

This is like Watergate on steroids plus a spy novel thrown in.... bettyellen Mar 2017 #78

Completely EricMaundry Mar 2017 #79

Pretty much, but Nixon was easier to pity. dchill Mar 2017 #80

71 Mollyann Mar 2017 #81

Maybe Watergate on meth and anabolic steroids Warpy Mar 2017 #83

I agree, Warpy wordpix Mar 2017 #87

By 1974, a lot of people had realized he'd lied about ending the war Warpy Mar 2017 #94

I know, white collar crooks like Nixon make off with the loot wordpix Mar 2017 #149

Watergate was purely domestic. tirebiter Mar 2017 #88

The GOP was not this messed up ThoughtCriminal Mar 2017 #91

Whole new ballgame here... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #95

It does a little though the Democrats were in charge then. jalan48 Mar 2017 #97

Watergate was worse, much worse. kstewart33 Mar 2017 #100

This is far more serious, an election is on trial, not just a President. L. Coyote Mar 2017 #101

Finally, someone on this thread posts what I think is the biggest difference... llmart Mar 2017 #152

Peter Daou: I have diligently avoided saying the 2016 election was stolen L. Coyote Mar 2017 #163

Feels different to me in some respects, similar in others Jarqui Mar 2017 #104

No. By the summer of 1973, I felt Nixon would go down because of the Democratic Congress. John1956PA Mar 2017 #106

Not in the key area... regnaD kciN Mar 2017 #107

No, during Watergate, I was proud of my country Louis1895 Mar 2017 #108

Worse jojog Mar 2017 #109

I hope so! nt Mars and Minerva Mar 2017 #110

No. This is much worse. nancy1942 Mar 2017 #111

One can hope! Liberal In Red State Mar 2017 #112

Nope...We have inept media now... beachbum bob Mar 2017 #113

A bit similar....far worse NRaleighLiberal Mar 2017 #114

No it seems much worse. classykaren Mar 2017 #115

Watergate on speed. Except this is much, much worse. It took forever to get Nixon...... kerry-is-my-prez Mar 2017 #118

It's moving much faster flyingfysh Mar 2017 #119

No - Nixon engaged in coverup KT2000 Mar 2017 #120

Today began to feel like it. world wide wally Mar 2017 #123

Yes indeed! yallerdawg Mar 2017 #124

Not yet. The Republicans are still very dug in. (I watched the Watergate Hearings daily.) WinkyDink Mar 2017 #125

I was only 10 but I watched the hearings with RAPT attention and read ATPM as soon as it was out lostnfound Mar 2017 #132

As far as the number of people involved, Mr.Bill Mar 2017 #133

I am 60 ... this is much worse. We're talking about collusion with Russia Greywing Mar 2017 #134

Worse. But what is familiar is having to go through an election AFTER the first signs pnwmom Mar 2017 #135

It does and it doesn't. NastyRiffraff Mar 2017 #137

Not even close. Scruffy1 Mar 2017 #138

So far, it doesn't for me... BamaRefugee Mar 2017 #139

Can't tell yet. TygrBright Mar 2017 #140

Good analysis! The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2017 #162

Yes! FakeNoose Mar 2017 #174

As a 67-year-old, this sure as hells seems like Watergate, as I have said to others today. Akamai Mar 2017 #141

I'm in my late 60s. This feels Golden Raisin Mar 2017 #142

No it doesn't, this is far worse. 4bucksagallon Mar 2017 #143

This is worse - Watergate was totally domestic and Nixon was essentially sane compared... George II Mar 2017 #144

Yes. To indict underlings to set them up to flip on their bosses to avoid jail time is similar. ancianita Mar 2017 #145

At times I have felt we have been on the verge of another Sat Night Massacre delisen Mar 2017 #146

No. That we had a criminal president was clear, and the "show" felt unprecedented. fleabiscuit Mar 2017 #147

It is different in many ways Lithos Mar 2017 #148

No not yet........... Historic NY Mar 2017 #150

No! CK_John Mar 2017 #151

This is already a much more complex story that involves a lot more characters and mobeau69 Mar 2017 #153

no, because Congressional Republican majority keeps extensive hearings from being held. . . Stargleamer Mar 2017 #154

I don't know...When the repugs got away with outing Valerie Plame...I was.. Tikki Mar 2017 #155

Are you watching MSNBC tonight? John Dean was on and said this is almost exactly like napi21 Mar 2017 #156

Yes, on Chris Hayes' show. moondust Mar 2017 #159

to some extent yes, but there are several major differences: unblock Mar 2017 #160

Still not sure how they will get Trump without tax returns redstateblues Mar 2017 #164

No Hangingon Mar 2017 #165

no... Heartstrings Mar 2017 #166

Yes s-cubed Mar 2017 #167

I was fresh out of HS for Watergate benld74 Mar 2017 #168

Break-in: 06/17/1972; Sat. Night Massacre: 10/08/1973; Resignation: 08/08/1974; Pardon 09/08/1974 John1956PA Mar 2017 #193

The actual offense is way worse, but nothing will happen GulfCoast66 Mar 2017 #170

Before reading any response I will reply rufus dog Mar 2017 #171

Yes, it has a similar "slow moving train wreck" dynamic to it. roamer65 Mar 2017 #172

I only Remember Clinton's impeachment Juliusseizure Mar 2017 #173

Trump era is like a Watergate, Cold War intrigue , and a rising third reich era trifecta lunasun Mar 2017 #175

Worse because lots of moderate republicans then marlakay Mar 2017 #176

It feels much worse than Watergate to me radical noodle Mar 2017 #178

This isnt like Watergate. madamesilverspurs Mar 2017 #181

Yes and No dem in texas Mar 2017 #182

I was in college during Watergate. I must say this seems 1000 times worse. southerncrone Mar 2017 #183

No, this is much worse Samantha Mar 2017 #184

Ancient Vulcan Proverb; A HERETIC I AM Mar 2017 #185

There are a couple direct connections to Nixon DeminPennswoods Mar 2017 #186

John Dean, today mentioned that Sean Spicer was doing a Cover-up by diminishing the roles of riversedge Mar 2017 #187

Watergate took two years to develop and so yes there are similarities Gothmog Mar 2017 #190

I was never scared during Watergate, just angry. Greybnk48 Mar 2017 #191

The grand jury was key DeminPennswoods Mar 2017 #192

Big difference: Democrats controlled the House and Senate in 1974 onenote Mar 2017 #194

The only question Dan Mar 2017 #195

I set my monitor to B&W so it looks more authentic. Atman Mar 2017 #196

Question..to anyone reading this...did Nunes just create a situation like ..Saturday Night Massacre? Stuart G Mar 2017 #197