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rucky

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13. There's two complaints about the mandate: "forced to pay" and "private corporation"
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 08:22 AM
Jun 2012

It sounds like the main beef from the right is with the "forced to pay" part. That includes paying taxes for things they don't think they'd use themselves. And for the taxes they do pay, the same people want to see as much of that money as possible go to privatization of prisons, schools, city management (Michigan), etc.

The government - through taxes - forces people to pay for things deemed by the people to be for the public good. Even if you don't have a kid in school, you're paying in to support the school. Conservatives don't understand the "common good" part paying taxes, and would make the same broccoli argument for any tax.

Progressives have no problem with the concept of taxation, as long as that money is being spent for the public good. We want the services we pay into to go to the people who need it - in the most direct and efficient way possible. We all use roads, we've all been to school at some point, and we will all need health care, if we don't already. Paying into a health CARE system has evident public good, as long as that care is administered in the most direct and efficient way possible.

Our beef is that we're forced to pay a middleman whose job it is to stand in the way of delivering care, and pinch profits off the top.

So if there were a Health CARE plan that were payed into by a fair tax system, the left (and most other people) wouldn't have a problem with it - the proof being that this is accepted practice in nearly every other civilized nation in the world. But conservatives would still be talking about broccoli, and it would sound as ridiculous to me then as it does now.

So we have to defend the concept of paying into something as critical to the public good as healthcare (not cars, not broccoli). And we can do that without having to love the whole private insurance aspect of it.

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I can't stand tofu but Live and Learn Jun 2012 #1
Does the GOP have any other tactics besides demagoguery? Major Nikon Jun 2012 #2
Sometimes some of them cry: struggle4progress Jun 2012 #4
it's like if you are a minority in the GOP you got to try harder or something JI7 Jun 2012 #3
"Hi! I'm Bobby Jindal and I'm actually not from Kenya!" struggle4progress Jun 2012 #5
Wow. Not one person, ever, has denied that this law Zalatix Jun 2012 #6
Apparently it would just feel better quaker bill Jun 2012 #8
The law of large numbers when it applies to insurance, look it up. Zalatix Jun 2012 #10
You are dreaming quaker bill Jun 2012 #19
That's why we're in the mess we're in. Enjoy! Zalatix Jun 2012 #22
There's two complaints about the mandate: "forced to pay" and "private corporation" rucky Jun 2012 #13
GOP can kiss my ass. They always have shitty logic. Zalatix Jun 2012 #15
my cousin drives a tofu. nt arely staircase Jun 2012 #7
So long as he's not eating a Chevy Volt ... surrealAmerican Jun 2012 #20
do chevy volt's have moon roof's? arely staircase Jun 2012 #21
Does your health private insurance company "force" you to live a healthier lifestyle? baldguy Jun 2012 #9
It works quite well nobodyspecial Jun 2012 #11
Tofu is made with GMO soybeans. Hate to agree with Jindal on this one, no_hypocrisy Jun 2012 #12
so they've gone from death panels Enrique Jun 2012 #14
Actually the Commerce Clause part of the case should reassure him treestar Jun 2012 #16
Which would you prefer? A looming giant broccoli crown brought to you by a Dem or Skidmore Jun 2012 #17
When you don't have a leg to stand on, all slopes are slippery. nt Wounded Bear Jun 2012 #18
He's a pretty stupid shit isn't he. It wasn't upheld under the commerce clause, the dumbass. RBInMaine Jun 2012 #23
Remember when Bobby Jindal was considered a potential Republican Presidential candidate?... SidDithers Jun 2012 #24
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