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jberryhill

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43. The law has to draw a line somewhere

Wed Mar 22, 2017, 05:27 PM

Mar 2017

...and that's up to the legislatures of the states to decide.

Whether someone is mentally ill is a question for the mental health profession.

Whether someone has violated the law is a question for legal profession.

But I sincerely doubt that a 26 year old who is lawfully engaged in a relationship with a 16 year old in Pennsylvania (yes 16), becomes a "sick fuck" if they wander into Delaware and do the same thing.

Someone with so little sense of responsibility to do what this teacher is alleged to have done certainly seems to have a problem of some kind, because one would expect a teacher to exercise sufficient ethical judgment even if they were unaware of the law on the subject of sexual exploitation based on a position of authority, but the "pedophile" tag seems to be applied with such joyous abandon here at DU, and it is helpful to know the context before wandering into pizza parlors with guns.

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Teacher Cant Stop Smiling After Being Accused Of Having Sexual Relations With Teen [View all] IronLionZion Mar 2017 OP

Oh RoadhogRidesAgain Mar 2017 #1

Is this sarcasm? oberliner Mar 2017 #81

Not technically a pedophile Calculating Mar 2017 #2

Yeah this. Kentonio Mar 2017 #8

It is rape however HoneyBadger Mar 2017 #51

Not in the literal, direct sense of the term and not called statutory rape where infraction cited FiveGoodMen Mar 2017 #60

Could be a bullshit case BeyondGeography Mar 2017 #3

I hope so IronLionZion Mar 2017 #6

It's a jury trick yeoman6987 Mar 2017 #28

Nonverbal communication science. littlemissmartypants Mar 2017 #31

It worked for Tom Delay IronLionZion Mar 2017 #48

And her attorney already went there..."Because she knows she's innocent" JTFrog Mar 2017 #52

Old IT saying: Those who smile in adversity, either know the answer or don't have a clue. TheBlackAdder Mar 2017 #14

Or are sociopaths, like Ted Buddy, who smiled for every camera. anneboleyn Mar 2017 #45

and the pictures could have been taking during happier times. They don't look like mug shots. n/t FSogol Mar 2017 #18

Nope Bradical79 Mar 2017 #20

Really? That's dry erase marker on a whiteboard. Compare to a real mug shot: FSogol Mar 2017 #36

Wait, are you looking at this through the innocent until proven guilty lens? BannonsLiver Mar 2017 #89

Yes, even if it gets you labelled as pro-all-sorts-of-awful-things here BeyondGeography Mar 2017 #90

Good on you. BannonsLiver Mar 2017 #92

Great user name! IronLionZion Mar 2017 #95

It's not OK and should not be normalized IronLionZion Mar 2017 #4

If we judged sex crimes on a case-by-case basis... Jonny Appleseed Mar 2017 #5

They'll probably offer her a deal. TexasBushwhacker Mar 2017 #13

Tolerating a double-standard is merely enabling that same double-standard. LanternWaste Mar 2017 #85

Double standards exist for a reason Jonny Appleseed Mar 2017 #86

Someone tell me why an attractive lady would do this? MosheFeingold Mar 2017 #7

Power and control IronLionZion Mar 2017 #9

Maybe she's just a sick individual who likes to fuck children. Iggo Mar 2017 #10

In Texas, it is not illegal to have sex with a 17 year old jberryhill Mar 2017 #34

Well hooray for Texas! Iggo Mar 2017 #42

The law has to draw a line somewhere jberryhill Mar 2017 #43

"But I sincerely doubt that a 26 year old becomes a "sick fuck" if they wander into Delaware" Iggo Mar 2017 #59

The thrill of forbidden fruit most likely Calculating Mar 2017 #11

Most likely answer Jonny Appleseed Mar 2017 #15

Power and control over society IronLionZion Mar 2017 #17

That seems a little deep for a conscious motivator. Jonny Appleseed Mar 2017 #19

Here's an interesting article on why IronLionZion Mar 2017 #21

could just be something like a personality disorder womanofthehills Mar 2017 #79

Sooo...using your logic - cwydro Mar 2017 #30

Isn't that wonderful? Goblinmonger Mar 2017 #46

Nope MosheFeingold Mar 2017 #84

Power/sex fantasy Bradical79 Mar 2017 #37

I don't see anything that defines her as a possible pedophile. nt. NCTraveler Mar 2017 #12

Either way, innocent or guilty, Laffy Kat Mar 2017 #16

make no mistake Skittles Mar 2017 #22

Supposedly this is a pic of her in a costume Calculating Mar 2017 #23

she may have done it, but you literally just came to that conclusion from this picture? That is JCanete Mar 2017 #26

Easter? Already? littlemissmartypants Mar 2017 #32

So she is guilty because she dressed up like a sexy bunny? Agschmid Mar 2017 #57

If dressing as a sexy bunny is a crime, then lock me up. Orrex Mar 2017 #87

Same. Agschmid Mar 2017 #93

I'm willing to give her a pass, on the count of her being an anatomy teacher. Some students are JCanete Mar 2017 #24

That joke is entirely inappropriate True Dough Mar 2017 #29

I have read the replies and I am disappointed in most of them Angry Dragon Mar 2017 #25

that's only a standard for the courts... eniwetok Mar 2017 #33

But the facts are there to support the 'traitorous starve the beast strategy' Angry Dragon Mar 2017 #38

sure... but would this accusation hold up in a court? eniwetok Mar 2017 #40

we will know soon .......... impeachment is just around the corner Angry Dragon Mar 2017 #41

Why should we expect that Trump is going to be impeached? He is already committing impeachable StevieM Mar 2017 #62

the country as a whole will not stand for it much longer Angry Dragon Mar 2017 #64

Too bad most GOP congress critters don't represent "the country as a whole." n/t Beartracks Mar 2017 #76

The sad truth. Party over country writ large. VOX Mar 2017 #88

and for citizens, who may be marybourg Mar 2017 #56

She is only in trouble because she is a teacher phleshdef Mar 2017 #27

You are correct jberryhill Mar 2017 #35

She taught anatomy? guillaumeb Mar 2017 #39

Wrong because it's abuse of her position, control. But hardly pedophile... Locut0s Mar 2017 #44

Um, I find the posts here baffling. If she was MALE AND HAD SEX WITH A 17 year old female student anneboleyn Mar 2017 #47

The responses on this thread are very interesting IronLionZion Mar 2017 #49

I think the reason you see a gender disparity is... Adrahil Mar 2017 #55

It comes down to 'what is victimization'? FiveGoodMen Mar 2017 #58

very few 17-year old girls would feel victimized by their coach/teacher...etc Horse with no Name Mar 2017 #61

I'm not saying that it was a good idea FiveGoodMen Mar 2017 #65

"it's pretty damned presumptuous to tell him that he is one and just doesn't know it" NYC Liberal Mar 2017 #73

I didn't see anyone say the student was Lucky, or that it was a good thing... Locut0s Mar 2017 #66

What if it was a college professor and a 20 year old student? oberliner Mar 2017 #82

Agree completely BainsBane Mar 2017 #70

Teaching 17-year-olds can be dangerous for young teachers. Adrahil Mar 2017 #50

Too bad that no one ever said not to do it HoneyBadger Mar 2017 #53

LOL... nice reference! NT Adrahil Mar 2017 #54

Man... linuxman Mar 2017 #63

She is guilty of abuse of power and violating Texas Blue_true Mar 2017 #67

Using a position of power to fuck a minor? linuxman Mar 2017 #69

Facts will determine whether she coerced the 17 year old Blue_true Mar 2017 #72

+1 uponit7771 Mar 2017 #91

Class 2 felony is nuts Mosby Mar 2017 #68

She may loose her job and get probation. Blue_true Mar 2017 #71

She's got a crazy look in her eyes IronLionZion Mar 2017 #74

That kid will need years of therapy to wipe the smile off his face. miyazaki Mar 2017 #75

Are any of you aware what happens to a college instructor (prof, TA, adjunct) who has sex with... Hekate Mar 2017 #77

Most sex fantasies leave out the real world consequences IronLionZion Mar 2017 #80

They don't go to jail oberliner Mar 2017 #83

Jail, no. Firing or sanctioning? Yes. It's a serious breach of ethics. Hekate Mar 2017 #94

Right, but unequal status/power in a relationship is commonplace oberliner Mar 2017 #96

You're not supposed to teach anatomy that way jmowreader Mar 2017 #78

She was hands on, in more ways than one. nt Blue_true Mar 2017 #97