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126. Sanders calling Dems "weak" and "unable to fight back" does not help our side.

Fri Mar 24, 2017, 04:38 PM

Mar 2017

Seems pretty demoralizing. It is also dead wrong. It is the DEMOCRATIC PARTY that got the ACA passed in the first place and is waging a ferocious battle against Trump. There are many great Democrats leading the charge like Adam Schiff, who is leading the Intelligence Committee's Trump Russia ties investigation, or Al Franken who in a brilliant cross-examination on national TV revealed Gorsuch to be a heartless corporate stooge with poor judgment. Or Schumer who has vowed to filibuster Gorsuch. Or all the Democratic state attorneys general, who have blocked both of Trump's Muslim ban executive orders. Those Dems inspire me. Those Dems don't demoralize me or bash the Democratic Party.

Those anti-Dem statements by Bernie last night on Rachel were counterproductive to fighting the GOP's attempts to eviscerate the ACA, which is what Rachel was asking him about when he inexplicably said that.

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Stunning polls show Sanders soaring while 'TrumpCare' crashes [View all] Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 OP

Is our bench only as deep as Sanders these days? Blue_Adept Mar 2017 #1

He would have an issue in 2020 as candidates will have to release their tax returns. OnDoutside Mar 2017 #3

Plus, his own failure to disclose his taxes is a real negative, & harms his moral authority to call Maru Kitteh Mar 2017 #79

Umhm. Some may even remember other, frequent ethical Hortensis Mar 2017 #193

Looking at the timeline is helpful here. synergie Mar 2017 #204

Sure. But we're talking about who we will choose Hortensis Mar 2017 #207

Indeed, and we have learned the lessons of allowing external forces to synergie Mar 2017 #210

Yes. Agree with practically everything. But we do Hortensis Mar 2017 #214

Right. But I think you mistook me about education. synergie Mar 2017 #216

I agree with your posts in this subthread, synergie. brer cat Mar 2017 #252

Thankfully, we're up to the task :-) synergie Mar 2017 #262

I'm not sure where but I believe I read somewhere that Tad Devine has Russian connections like trump George II Mar 2017 #241

He worked with Paul Manafort on a Ukraine election eight years ago. MADem Mar 2017 #250

Two options: demmiblue Mar 2017 #4

+1000 dchill Mar 2017 #34

Yes. This is merely a rehash of basically the same discussion a week ago: George II Mar 2017 #94

3) Put on ignore demmiblue Mar 2017 #96

Good idea. murielm99 Mar 2017 #100

REALLY fighting the good fight for Americans, not for self-promotion. George II Mar 2017 #226

Actually, this is the third time in three weeks the same Fox poll lapucelle Mar 2017 #228

I missed the first one. One is "troubling", the other is "stunning". George II Mar 2017 #240

Favorability is a "yes, no, no opinion" measure. lapucelle Mar 2017 #245

When you click on the link in the earliest OP, lapucelle Mar 2017 #255

Which keyword would you suggest? synergie Mar 2017 #160

I think others would say the same about other former candidates as well. DefenseLawyer Mar 2017 #5

+1!!! Dustlawyer Mar 2017 #66

Yes, thank you! mountain grammy Mar 2017 #106

when have there been posts about other candidates...these are clickbait posts. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #110

Don't mean to butt in but... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #117

Doesn't matter what your thread is about. pangaia Mar 2017 #130

Oh, I can take it.... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #133

This is actually. Divisive, unnecessary and repetitive. You were active on the synergie Mar 2017 #132

As I wrote, how is it 'divisive and unnecessary'? Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #137

The poll was discussed, you admit it's a RW poll, and everyone reminded you that you synergie Mar 2017 #142

That's not being divisive.... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #145

Seems like it is. synergie Mar 2017 #155

silly picking a fight, try contributing toward unity. JudyM Mar 2017 #169

I agree, but this thread and this post seems to be intent on picking a fight, and the very synergie Mar 2017 #174

It is objectively a genuinely joyful OP, I believe your view that it's divisive is JudyM Mar 2017 #180

It may have been a "genuinely joyful OP" (definitely not objective) when it was posted last week.... George II Mar 2017 #184

There was nothing objectively joyful about the OP. synergie Mar 2017 #185

Are you suggesting I'm a republican? That's ridiculous. JudyM Mar 2017 #232

I'm suggesting that people who "spew vomit" about people being "triggered" usually are RWers. synergie Mar 2017 #234

ok sweetheart, best to you this evening. JudyM Mar 2017 #236

I certainly hope you get over whatever is tickling your area postrema, and that you synergie Mar 2017 #239

Smearing the Democratic Party and its leaders by calling them "feeble" is pretty divisive... NurseJackie Mar 2017 #191

You're in the wrong thread. Be here. JudyM Mar 2017 #230

I understand that it's a difficult subject. That's okay. Take your time. NurseJackie Mar 2017 #235

Lol JudyM Mar 2017 #237

I understand many of his supporters enjoy his TV shows BainsBane Mar 2017 #200

It's the second time this very limited poll.... George II Mar 2017 #253

It's an extremely limited poll listing arbitrarily selected politicians and issues. George II Mar 2017 #181

It is a divisive thread. And a similar thread lead to posts being deleted and hard feelings about a Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #146

But why? Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #153

A poster above gets it, she can explain to you why it's so silly to be picking a synergie Mar 2017 #176

Oh please...you know why...not going to get me to make a post Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #197

I have no desire to make anybody's post get 'alerted'... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #203

A positive post about Sanders is by definition not divisive. JudyM Mar 2017 #182

That's not how definiitons work, but responding with negativity is literally divisive. synergie Mar 2017 #186

If you can't see that it's your own reactivity, I don't know what else to say. I was happy to see JudyM Mar 2017 #229

Well, it's impossible for me to see things that are not there in reality, but only synergie Mar 2017 #238

Actually it is...and to use a stupid Fox news Polls...I still say it was divisive and you know it. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #196

He's one of only a few on our side out beating the bushes for support. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2017 #6

Anything less then the ACA... Eyeball_Kid Mar 2017 #8

No he's not. George II Mar 2017 #87

Sanders is rejuvenated. Eyeball_Kid Mar 2017 #7

ICAM lunamagica Mar 2017 #13

As much as I liked his agenda, we need many other voices, Democratic ones. Orsino Mar 2017 #17

Hopefully, Dem politicians will note his popularity and why... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #19

Exactly! He's one of the few that sounds like a democrat, the ones I grew up with and he's RKP5637 Mar 2017 #30

Wish there was a "Like" button for your post! x1000!!! n/t woodsprite Mar 2017 #37

"We need democrats that kick ass!!!" Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #40

+ about a billion. JudyM Mar 2017 #183

Yes, exactly. alarimer Mar 2017 #64

Yes this Juliusseizure Mar 2017 #89

I totally agree. hollowdweller Mar 2017 #21

I don't see this OP as about a Sanders campaign for anything. I cold be wrong. pangaia Mar 2017 #135

Representative Ro Khanna caught my attention earlier today bekkilyn Mar 2017 #108

Sanders has the name recognition to be reported Warpy Mar 2017 #156

Keep in mind that this "stunning report" is a Fox "News" one. synergie Mar 2017 #217

I hate to say it but Sanders is one of the few liberals who doesn't seem lazy hollowdweller Mar 2017 #20

This "stunning poll" only included 4 Dems and 4 R's on its ENTIRE list, which means Bernie pnwmom Mar 2017 #24

Yes, it is a Fox News poll... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #35

We took it with grains of whatever last week when you beat this one to death: George II Mar 2017 #97

So, once again you're saying that the Right is fond of a particular candidate? synergie Mar 2017 #136

It isn't cool to put words in one's mouth.... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #140

I did no such thing, did you not realize where this "poll" from or what it said? synergie Mar 2017 #151

Yes, but the "story" is three weeks old. lapucelle Mar 2017 #231

Did you consider that Trump/republican care was being voted on today... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #233

If that was the opinion writer's goal, lapucelle Mar 2017 #246

Lol! cwydro Mar 2017 #52

In the eyes of some, yes. George II Mar 2017 #93

I'm a yuuuuuuge Bernie supporter and I'd absolutely LOVE him to have more company on the front lines LiberalLovinLug Mar 2017 #99

Yes, it's bigger than Bernie bekkilyn Mar 2017 #114

Did you watch his town hall in West Virginia? He's the most EFFECTIVE progressive out there. Zen Democrat Mar 2017 #112

He's extremely unlikely to run Juliusseizure Mar 2017 #116

Bernie's the only one going into red states and talking about single payer. PatrickforO Mar 2017 #122

A big +1 (nt) bekkilyn Mar 2017 #134

Bravissimo !! pangaia Mar 2017 #138

It's a bit late for that isn't it? synergie Mar 2017 #164

Yeah, and I'm part of that resistance. PatrickforO Mar 2017 #259

He educated masses of voters about 1) healthcare/single payer and 2) Revolution, which led JudyM Mar 2017 #173

The Resistance and Indivisible were the ones leading those town halls, rallies and calling synergie Mar 2017 #205

Why on earth are we arguing about the SAME THING? PatrickforO Mar 2017 #260

You apparently haven't been paying much attention mcar Mar 2017 #178

Maxine Waters is only 3 Years Older than Sanders JI7 Mar 2017 #211

The price of bananas went down last week too. I see a correlation! Correlations everywhere! randome Mar 2017 #2

If Sanders can run as the Democratic Presidential candidate in 2020 he will win. jalan48 Mar 2017 #9

Yes I agree... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #10

At this point we want to win-age shouldn't matter if Bernie says he's up for it. jalan48 Mar 2017 #12

Sanders is a dynamo... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #15

He won't beat a true dem in the primaries. liquid diamond Mar 2017 #16

Could be, but we need to be sure a "True Dem" can win in the general election, otherwise it doesn't jalan48 Mar 2017 #22

This "stunning poll" showed Bernie higher than the 3 other Democrats they included, pnwmom Mar 2017 #26

See my post #32 Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #36

I'm only saying right now he would be a great candidate and I think he would win. jalan48 Mar 2017 #47

No Dem will win pnwmom Mar 2017 #53

I don't agree. We just have to win by more than last time. jalan48 Mar 2017 #61

They got into some of our state election offices this time around. It has never been shown pnwmom Mar 2017 #80

I'm sure they are a threat and if DT has his way it will get worse. jalan48 Mar 2017 #84

Yes, it all comes down to money -- and possibly some blackmail. Nobody knows pnwmom Mar 2017 #127

Good point. Hard to know how many Republicans have been compromised by blackmail. jalan48 Mar 2017 #165

When you consider the specific precincts that "could not be counted" synergie Mar 2017 #206

If he would switch, it would end the endless bullshit about he's not a real democrat. n/t RKP5637 Mar 2017 #31

By then some blue states will have requirement for candidates to release their taxes. KittyWampus Mar 2017 #55

Yes it's all about Sanders Idoru Mar 2017 #11

How did Sanders 'dismantle' healthcare? Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #14

Dismantled the vote Idoru Mar 2017 #18

Ugh SammyWinstonJack Mar 2017 #113

"stunning poll" is fox propaganda to divide democrats (& independents in bernie's case) nt msongs Mar 2017 #23

How does this divide Democrats & Independents? Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #25

The poll is hyping Bernie at the expense of people like Patty Murray, my beloved Senator. pnwmom Mar 2017 #28

Not true... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #32

Okay, Elizabeth is on the list -- but there are only 4 Democrats on that list: pnwmom Mar 2017 #38

I see you did not 'dig into it' before posting... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #43

I had read the poll previously but had forgotten about EW being on it. The bottom line pnwmom Mar 2017 #56

My daughter just loves that Disney movie "Frozen" DefenseLawyer Mar 2017 #39

I cannot believe the lingering HATE they still have for Bernie Dustlawyer Mar 2017 #77

No kidding LiberalLovinLug Mar 2017 #148

Kind of reminds me of 45 in a way bekkilyn Mar 2017 #154

Recommended. H2O Man Mar 2017 #27

He is, he definitely is. I've felt that way since day one. n/t RKP5637 Mar 2017 #33

I first met H2O Man Mar 2017 #48

*Smile* ananda Mar 2017 #29

Too bad Hillary didn't pick Bernie as her VP ymetca Mar 2017 #41

Maybe so about her VP pick... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #49

Can Sanders be the new Gerald Ford? toska Mar 2017 #42

I asked a similar question, but it was a general question... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #46

#fakenews. stonecutter357 Mar 2017 #44

Most popular political figure with the power to accomplish LOL Lib Mar 2017 #45

What kind of majority are you referring to? Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #51

The kind of majority capable of impeaching the devil on the WH LOL Lib Mar 2017 #67

It takes winning elections.... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #73

To win elections, it takes people actually voting. synergie Mar 2017 #166

It appears you are not interested in civil conversation... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #189

It would appear that you resort to projection rather than accepting facts synergie Mar 2017 #194

EXACTLY. NT WiffenPoof Mar 2017 #71

How on Earth does that matter to anything. MineralMan Mar 2017 #50

Me either. cwydro Mar 2017 #59

Let's break it down... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #60

Yes, and he still is just one Senator from a MineralMan Mar 2017 #63

Are you saying allies are inconsequential? Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #69

I think I was pretty clear about what I'm saying. MineralMan Mar 2017 #74

So, all Dem Senators are just Senators "as important as that is"? Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #83

MM comes from Minnesota, and Franken and Klobuchar are kicking ass emulatorloo Mar 2017 #128

No, I never said only Sanders is doing a good job... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #131

Exactly!. NT WiffenPoof Mar 2017 #70

Bernie is a symbol of a rising ideology in America. RadiationTherapy Mar 2017 #91

See how popular he is when he attacks Republicans...nt SidDithers Mar 2017 #54

He's attacked Republicans consistently for decades. Kentonio Mar 2017 #254

Sure he has...nt SidDithers Mar 2017 #256

Well if the video evidence of him ripping into Republicans in senate hearings doesn't convince you Kentonio Mar 2017 #257

If only he'd been doing May - November last year...nt SidDithers Mar 2017 #258

I love the word "STUNNING" coupled w/fact this is from FOX News. Republicans use Sanders for their KittyWampus Mar 2017 #57

Do you disagree with all/some/most of Sanders positions on issues? Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #62

Like it or not he goes in where many Dems fear to tread such as his WV town hall Jake Stern Mar 2017 #58

Exactly... Dems have to go to all corners of our country and TALK. Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #65

I Was Completely Trashed Yesterday... WiffenPoof Mar 2017 #68

Oh, I know... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #81

I Honestly Wasn't Aware... WiffenPoof Mar 2017 #161

He's not hated, he is rightly criticized for refusing to BE in our party and synergie Mar 2017 #177

I think we are in one of those situations... WiffenPoof Mar 2017 #209

It would be nice if it were "fine" but it's clearly not. Simply not joining in the "joyful" adulati synergie Mar 2017 #212

I am happy you have gotten actively involved, but bekkilyn Mar 2017 #227

Yes, I finally got out to do the actual work, but I've been following policy for quite some time. synergie Mar 2017 #244

Bless your heart bekkilyn Mar 2017 #247

Well, aren't you a peach! synergie Mar 2017 #248

Come on. PatrickforO Mar 2017 #261

People explaining the simple fact that a man who won't join a party and who insults synergie Mar 2017 #170

Sanders Metsie Casey Mar 2017 #72

I believe Clinton did win. Republcans can only win when... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #76

Yeah Metsie Casey Mar 2017 #92

She won. There is NO WAT rhat each and every single poll was wrong lunamagica Mar 2017 #175

🎉❤️Yay, Bernie!💜🎉 Kimchijeon Mar 2017 #75

good for him, i guess. not sure what it bodes for 2018 and 2020 for the rest of the party though La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2017 #78

You're brave to post a pro-Sanders thread left-of-center2012 Mar 2017 #82

Yes, I quickly learned that... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #86

And a ton of swooning adoration, as seen in this thread Orrex Mar 2017 #221

What do a Healthcare bill and a United States Senator have to do with each other? George II Mar 2017 #85

You should ask them your question...! Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #88

You posted this, not them. George II Mar 2017 #102

It is a dumb poll...The people at Fox and the Russians no doubt want to sow division in Democrats so Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #118

Why weren't Amy Klobuchar, Al Franken, Adam Schiff, etc. included? George II Mar 2017 #120

Fox is hoping for another perfect storm for the midterms. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #143

This has been hashed over and over again and debated back about a week ago..... George II Mar 2017 #90

No it wasn't Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2017 #95

See: George II Mar 2017 #98

Nope. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2017 #103

When Sanders was on Rachel last night, he did criticize the DEMS underthematrix Mar 2017 #101

May I ask, why do you 'hate him with the heat of a trillion suns'? Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #104

He criticizes Democrats.I wish he would not do that. Although I appreciate his defense of ACA... Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #115

Sometimes, criticism is a good thing... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #121

No it is not...it discourages people from voting for Democrats and helps Republicans win. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #141

Normally, people would take criticism and do something about it... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #149

Total crap the Democratic Party can not please everyone...we have always been a big tent party... Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #199

99 percent of people are, wait for it...not in the 1 percent. There is no reason ever, Ever EVER, JCanete Mar 2017 #251

He dissed President Obama over and over again to appeal underthematrix Mar 2017 #119

How did he dis President Obama? Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #123

On policies, especially healthcare. Rachel and Ed used to have him on underthematrix Mar 2017 #125

Good for Bernie! I know a lot of people here Luciferous Mar 2017 #105

Why do you folks insist on these divisive threads...a Fox news poll for God sakes. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #107

How is this a 'divisive thread'? Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #111

It has the word "Bernie" in it. (nt) bekkilyn Mar 2017 #139

No surprise on either issue. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #109

Not sure how anybody can hate on Bernie Calculating Mar 2017 #124

I don't understand either... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #129

Sanders calling Dems "weak" and "unable to fight back" does not help our side. SunSeeker Mar 2017 #126

It helps with those of us who wish to avoid groupthink bekkilyn Mar 2017 #147

Stating lies does not help us. Calling Dems "weak" and "unable to fight back" is not "honesty." SunSeeker Mar 2017 #158

Over the course of the longer term, Dems HAVE been weak. bekkilyn Mar 2017 #162

Everyone has had weak points, including Sanders, but no one is weak. SunSeeker Mar 2017 #163

He has been quite supportive in his way though bekkilyn Mar 2017 #168

That is no altruism, he knows a third party would lose & give the win to the GOP. SunSeeker Mar 2017 #172

I think we are all agreed that we don't want to give the win to the GOP bekkilyn Mar 2017 #187

I just don't understand his gig, he's been on Maddow or Hayes just about every night this week.... George II Mar 2017 #243

Not interested in BS until he releases his taxes. Like Trump. nt msanthrope Mar 2017 #144

Can the Mods create an Independent or "Bernie" Board please? tallahasseedem Mar 2017 #150

I think you can just 'ignore' these threads if you want... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #152

Or, maybe you can stop spamming the boards with fake news. ecstatic Mar 2017 #249

psst Omaha Steve Mar 2017 #157

I second that, tallahasseedem! SunSeeker Mar 2017 #159

+1 Jamaal510 Mar 2017 #167

Yes, please? lunamagica Mar 2017 #171

Sanders is a True Democrat Orrex Mar 2017 #223

K&R Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #179

Life is good for Bernie BainsBane Mar 2017 #188

Good thing then, that Sanders is fighting for the people.... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #190

You mean his TV appearances? BainsBane Mar 2017 #195

No surprise, Bernie has been the most popular senator for years. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #192

But Planned Parenthood is the "establishment" BainsBane Mar 2017 #198

And the female House minority leader calling Trump a rookie is feeble. KittyWampus Mar 2017 #202

Good, let's all pile on the Democrats BainsBane Mar 2017 #208

up thread someone attacked maxine waters as being too old JI7 Mar 2017 #213

Well, it's Fox News and its methods are questionable. The issue was the source and the synergie Mar 2017 #215

Bernie is a blessing. Many, esp. young people are running for office because of his encouragement flamingdem Mar 2017 #201

He is mostly on our side, even if he feels the need to disparage us. synergie Mar 2017 #218

You haven't kept up with Bernies organizing flamingdem Mar 2017 #219

But I have, which is why I know who is actually stepping up and which organizations they are synergie Mar 2017 #220

Well there are some, but you seem in the thick of it so you know more flamingdem Mar 2017 #222

Oh I always voted Dem, I just styled myself as an independent, despite only voting synergie Mar 2017 #224

What was this that happened with him? flamingdem Mar 2017 #225

Here are some other polls to back it up FDRsGhost Mar 2017 #242

That's a nifty tool for looking up current and less recent polls. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #263

You're welcome FDRsGhost Mar 2017 #264