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In reply to the discussion: Stunning polls show Sanders soaring while 'TrumpCare' crashes [View all]synergie
(1,901 posts)leads to screeds of Right Wing level abuse, and we're aware of how criticizing someone who has been fighting all of their lives for Democratic principles is frustrating that was de riguer here and is still being done ham handedly in poor attempts at obliqueness.
I can't criticize him on policy because he puts forth none. Speeches are fine, but where is the ACTUAL POLICY to put that into action? I'm glad you see how and why attacking people by ignoring their policies, their history and their actual adherence to liberal thought is a mite frustrating, it's kind of what Bernie is doing to the party as a whole. It's annoying, that doesn't mean we "hate" him, and stating that is both dishonest and disingenuous.
What many of you are saying, in the nastiest terms possible that it's okay to abuse those of us who do not fall down and worship him and who can and do legitimately criticize his words and his deeds, especially when he attacks us. I know you're not alone, I've seen the divisiveness on this very thread where people hurl the worst right wing nastiness, and speak disgustingly, the turnout was not due to him alone and it's annoying that literally everything is laid at his feet, as if he and he alone did everything.
Credit where credit is due, but he doesn't get to grab up credit for other people's work, be it on the turnout, the grassroots organization and the effects of what those of us on the ground have been doing. We don't need lectures on Single Payer, we understand what medicare is and why adding "for all" to the end of it is a simplistic view, and that achieving Single payer is something we need to do carefully and with thought, and in the mean time we need to work on getting as many people covered as possible, that incrementalism is not a sin.
Um, corporations are not allowed to contribute to candidates, so his opponent proved you could win without those monies too.
The people that followed him were not so great at actually getting out and voting, for the only party fighting for them. They were duped and ill educated, and told things that were patently false. An entire generation that doesn't know how government works and have contempt for participating in it. Who, if they bothered to register, didn't vote, didn't realize why it's stupid to not vote on the WHOLE ballot, not just the part where they wrote in an invalid name.
We have a lot of damage to repair, and we do that by not giving in to the divisive nonsense, the name calling and the abuse hurled at those who will not bow down to the cult of personality. That's not what we're about, and it's not what I ever thought Bernie himself was about. This need to treat him as if he and only he is doing anything, when praising the efforts of the all the other folks who do the work, is disturbing. This is not who we are as liberals, as progressive or Democrats. That's the other side, enough already with this unpleasantness.
I'm glad you did vote for Hillary, and I hope you followed through with the rest of the down ballot races, the sad fact is that many who believe as you do, did not. That's why we have a monster who won by 70k votes, and State and local elections still in Republican hands, despite there being more of us than there are of them.