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ehrnst

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24. The problem is, our health care delivery system is neither simple nor easily understandable.

Reply to Fantastic Anarchist (Reply #14)

Sat Mar 25, 2017, 03:06 PM

Mar 2017

Even Medicare. Which is not actually single payer - it's a combination.

I won't get behind a replacement for the ACA - which took years to implement and is still being tweaked, until there is a thorough detailing of what will and will not be included.

As I've written earlier, even Canada didn't have a federal single payer system until all the provinces established their own independent systems, which took decades. Vermont's failed example needs to be considered and learned from before any other state, perhaps other than California, will attempt it. Colorado tried in 2016, and failed to get the support.

I can see why their reps might not be careening toward supporting a national plan, since their constituents voted it down soundly last fall.

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Of 193 House Democrats, see which 72 have co-sponsored the #MedicareForAll act. [View all] FDRsGhost Mar 2017 OP

I'm surprised my Congresswoman's name isn't there. Off to email her . . . Vinca Mar 2017 #1

Now is the time Achilleaze Mar 2017 #2

It's true. This is the time to get it rolling. People are paying attention. Offer a better JudyM Mar 2017 #33

dear moc, be like them. vote for something just to make twitler's mopinko Mar 2017 #3

Good to see my rep. on the list BumRushDaShow Mar 2017 #4

Same here. . . DinahMoeHum Mar 2017 #5

I just emailed my rep Nancy Pelosi and asked her to co-sponsor. Let's keep this thread alive. NBachers Mar 2017 #6

Nancy Pelosi is the one who took it off the table ... Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2017 #31

It was taken off the table because there were not enough votes for it in the Senate after Kennedy Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #80

The list of republican co-sponcers for wallyworld2 Mar 2017 #7

My rep is Chris Collins, perhaps the biggest lying shit of them all. pangaia Mar 2017 #8

Grab your friends and family and go join the groups that are resisting synergie Mar 2017 #67

Don't worry. We have Indivisible 27th NY pangaia Mar 2017 #68

If you've got sane people representing neighboring districts, invite your neighbors :-) synergie Mar 2017 #96

We do and his sure is !! pangaia Mar 2017 #98

My Rep is there. bluescribbler Mar 2017 #9

Not a fan of this group. Scorched earth for any Democrat that refuses to conform ehrnst Mar 2017 #10

The OP is about a bill, co-sponsored by 72 democrats - Ms. Toad Mar 2017 #11

It was a tweet from that org, and I gave my opinion of the org. ehrnst Mar 2017 #15

Eye on the prize, we all got to work together and single payer is something all MaeScott Mar 2017 #18

When I see some studies on why it failed in Vermont, I might be more likely to "get on board." ehrnst Mar 2017 #22

It failed because FDRsGhost Mar 2017 #29

Do you have some sources to back up why you think it was "just big pharma money?" ehrnst Mar 2017 #34

Catch! FDRsGhost Mar 2017 #40

Catch? Not sure what that's about, but some further research indicates other factors ehrnst Mar 2017 #41

The intent of this group is division, it doesn't see to be about working together. synergie Mar 2017 #97

Considering the thread is about a piece of legislation Cal Carpenter Mar 2017 #12

The OP contains a veiled threat to any Democratic rep that dissents, as is most of their messaging. ehrnst Mar 2017 #16

I don't understand how Cal Carpenter Mar 2017 #19

Have you taken a look at the website of the org that sent this tweet? ehrnst Mar 2017 #23

Not even one from Colorado? What? Turn CO Blue Mar 2017 #13

Colorado voted against Coloradocare in November. ehrnst Mar 2017 #35

HR 676 is the bill that Kucinich introduced years back, right? Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2017 #14

Kucinich is a bad hombre. NCTraveler Mar 2017 #17

Well this time people are actually correct about his weirdness - he's been pro-Trump on things mvd Mar 2017 #21

Kucinich has been promoting this... NCTraveler Mar 2017 #27

It's been more than about one speech, but happy.. mvd Mar 2017 #28

The problem is, our health care delivery system is neither simple nor easily understandable. ehrnst Mar 2017 #24

Thanks for this! mvd Mar 2017 #20

Since Colorado voted against Coloradocare in November ehrnst Mar 2017 #25

It failed in Colorado FDRsGhost Mar 2017 #30

So how do you propose to overcome that at the national level? ehrnst Mar 2017 #36

There's different ways FDRsGhost Mar 2017 #38

How do you propose the big pharma cash not going to Reps, while Citizens United stands? ehrnst Mar 2017 #42

Welcome...how nice that one of your earliest posts is against some Democrats. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #44

Huh? Where was one of my posts against Dems? FDRsGhost Mar 2017 #45

You divide Democrats into groups of those who support what you believe and those Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #51

That isn't dividing anything FDRsGhost Mar 2017 #52

Calling out Democratic representatives by name over something that can't happen is dividing us. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #55

Sorry, disagree & when did you stop fighting? FDRsGhost Mar 2017 #60

Freudian slip? He's so bad that you saw a bad president and automatically called him bush? George II Mar 2017 #62

Yeah, I agree. Like the ol refrain in 2001 "if you're not with us you're against us". George II Mar 2017 #63

I don't see this as something that will get out the vote. ehrnst Mar 2017 #88

And what would those ways be? synergie Mar 2017 #59

Mine signed on over a month ago, even though she's the kind of establishment dem Starry Messenger Mar 2017 #26

Oh noes!!!! Heretic! ehrnst Mar 2017 #37

Welcome to DU, FDRsGhost! This is good info. JudyM Mar 2017 #32

Thank you very much! FDRsGhost Mar 2017 #39

Please stop-lets not divide the Dem party this way...Medicare for all will not happen until Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #43

Most want single payer. No white flags! FDRsGhost Mar 2017 #46

You see that is untrue...we want single payer. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #49

Why didn't the ACA have a public option? FDRsGhost Mar 2017 #53

Where were you on that fateful day? Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #54

That's a great response. Thanks. NurseJackie Mar 2017 #64

Thank you Nurse... Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #70

Excellent post which highlights the complexity of the situation Docreed2003 Mar 2017 #77

Thanks...you are exactly right and said it better than I did. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #90

Thank you. When we forget history, we will repeat it. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2017 #84

Where was I? FDRsGhost Mar 2017 #86

After Scott Brown was elected, it was game over. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #89

We have a system that makes it incredibly difficult to create entitlement programs ehrnst Mar 2017 #92

You are correct...and did not know about the anti-abortion law passed in Colorado. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #94

Yes, and most Coloradans voted against it in their state. ehrnst Mar 2017 #85

And then we have to change that FDRsGhost Mar 2017 #87

There was more to the opposition than "money." ehrnst Mar 2017 #91

Well said!!! nt Trumpocalypse Mar 2017 #47

Thank you. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #50

You won't divide Democrats in the end. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #48

That is what Hillary was going to do to expand coverage ehrnst Mar 2017 #57

It would have worked too...which makes Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #71

She was criticized for that plan by many, leading to accusations that she represented corporations ehrnst Mar 2017 #74

Yes even now...with the single payer thing...there will never be a single payer bill never Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #79

Even if we had the political will to legislate it, which we clearly don't ehrnst Mar 2017 #83

Katherine Clark, Ma. 5th louis c Mar 2017 #56

This group is suspect. synergie Mar 2017 #58

Yes they are, among other things. I have good instincts... just as you do Synergie. NurseJackie Mar 2017 #61

And by the nature of the communication in the OP, they're divisive and quasi-accusatory... George II Mar 2017 #65

That's how they describe themselves! They want to get money out of politics synergie Mar 2017 #66

Yep. Eating their own. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2017 #76

did do anything to support single payer in colorado last year ? JI7 Mar 2017 #69

They mostly talk. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #72

agree. all those who attacked Obama for not getting single payer JI7 Mar 2017 #73

Yes they did and a successful single payer in any state would Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #82

They just formed in January. synergie Mar 2017 #95

Prepare to be accused of being "against single payer and against democracy itself!" (nt) ehrnst Mar 2017 #75

LOL, you Better Believe It! FSogol Mar 2017 #78

How often have you seen a bill that was cosponsored by EVERY member of either party? George II Mar 2017 #81

Also I don't care what people say. Single payer is a measuring stick for me mvd Mar 2017 #93