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127. God help us indeed! You might want to...

Sat Mar 25, 2017, 04:27 PM

Mar 2017

... give this a kick 'n' rec:

How to Kill Social Security, With a Smile
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028851037

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Lindsey Graham just earned my respect. [View all] shockey80 Mar 2017 OP

Wrong, though. Good intention probably on his part, but still wrong. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #1

Exactly. Everbody pays in - everybody receives benefits.... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #2

if the OP oldtime dfl_er Mar 2017 #3

There was a comment recently that Whiny Donny reversed his decision on not collecting salary question everything Mar 2017 #8

Which means we not only pay his $400k salary - we also pay for his $125k deduction. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2017 #22

I'll believe that when I see a notarized statement from a non-trump related charity. Salviati Mar 2017 #24

What is the charity? The Trump Foundation? FuzzyRabbit Mar 2017 #70

He's big on the charity BS. Had to be FORCED to give that 6 million $$$ to veterens... Bengus81 Mar 2017 #80

the charity was only for one month salary and then he said sime shit about the media JI7 Mar 2017 #129

I actually think not taking the salary would be a terrible idea, for this reason: NYC Liberal Mar 2017 #130

He basically has to accept a salary whistler162 Mar 2017 #150

Well, yes, but he could donate all of it. NYC Liberal Mar 2017 #157

Trump give away whistler162 Mar 2017 #159

He was never going to GWC58 Mar 2017 #139

Let's not forget the 13 cent check Donnie got punked with SticksnStones Mar 2017 #37

Lets remember the time Donald Trump cashed a 13 check sent to him as a prank Stonepounder Mar 2017 #44

But his next sentence was: pnwmom Mar 2017 #94

Yes. This and Eliot's explanation are why SS has always Hortensis Mar 2017 #126

The cap is embarrassingly too low yeoman6987 Mar 2017 #5

That is what needs to be done. RAISE THE CAP. Don't change the benefits of Social Security still_one Mar 2017 #34

Raising the cap doesn't go far enough meow2u3 Mar 2017 #108

Sure, don't have any CAP, I'll go for that, just don't take away the benefits still_one Mar 2017 #111

Medicare is paid with a separate tax and there's no limit on it. tammywammy Mar 2017 #138

I happened to have just looked that up marybourg Mar 2017 #40

Thank you. Higher then I thought. yeoman6987 Mar 2017 #41

Raising the cap is such an obvious solution 90-percent Mar 2017 #9

and I really wish Democrats in Congress would focus more on that. still_one Mar 2017 #35

In 2009-2010, it would have been perfect time. yeoman6987 Mar 2017 #43

I wholeheartedly agree with you still_one Mar 2017 #58

I figure that Limbaugh is finished paying into SS in about 2.5 hours.... Bengus81 Mar 2017 #90

simple, obvious mopinko Mar 2017 #125

The argument against raising the cap is that the wealthy would never have a chance stopbush Mar 2017 #10

You pay into insurance everyday where the odds are likely you wont get it back Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #13

Yes. That was my point. stopbush Mar 2017 #16

My mom waited until 65 to draw SS......... Bengus81 Mar 2017 #97

Which is why I favor levying sales taxes to pay for single payer. Yavin4 Mar 2017 #21

Sales taxes screw low income people. The less you make the more regressive they are. mobeau69 Mar 2017 #53

That is why we exempt food in MI. roamer65 Mar 2017 #54

Yep, an admission that they're unfair. mobeau69 Mar 2017 #77

In order to build long term support for a government program, everyone needs to pay into it Yavin4 Mar 2017 #116

Easily structured to make more "progressive." The trick is... pat_k Mar 2017 #75

What? We shouldn't use sales taxes for anything. Income and wealth taxes are much better. sharedvalues Mar 2017 #155

Precisely. Yavin4 Mar 2017 #161

Kansas is the best example of that I'll bet anyone can find... Bengus81 Mar 2017 #101

Sales taxes with exemptions for necessities like food, energy, education, healthcare. Yavin4 Mar 2017 #114

SALES taxes? The rich love sales taxes because sales taxes tax the poor. sharedvalues Mar 2017 #154

A sales tax on non-essential goods. Yavin4 Mar 2017 #160

So you need a progressive tax still, just one that everyone pays. sharedvalues Mar 2017 #162

+1 grantcart Mar 2017 #49

Not "good intentions." "Means testing" has LONG been pat_k Mar 2017 #68

You are so right wryter2000 Mar 2017 #74

thank you thank you mopinko Mar 2017 #118

This message was self-deleted by its author Honeycombe8 Mar 2017 #120

The only reason Republicans don't dismantle social security is because people know what it is and JCanete Mar 2017 #163

shockey, thank you saidsimplesimon Mar 2017 #4

I used to think oldtime dfl_er Mar 2017 #7

And I liked it, last year, when Chrisite called for means testing payments of SS question everything Mar 2017 #6

"means testing" is step 1 of the kill SS agenda. pat_k Mar 2017 #79

This is one thing I can't understand... LakeArenal Mar 2017 #11

Graham has shown a willingness lapucelle Mar 2017 #32

On military benefits, of course. SMC22307 Mar 2017 #112

Two statements. See response #48. nt LAS14 Mar 2017 #50

Rosewater. shockey80 Mar 2017 #12

You've proven Rosewater's point eleny Mar 2017 #19

You're not understanding human nature. SMC22307 Mar 2017 #93

Social Security is not a "risk based" insurance like auto, home etc. ToxMarz Mar 2017 #119

Good to hear shenmue Mar 2017 #14

Be careful. Big Blue Marble Mar 2017 #23

Exactly. And anyone who trusts smarmy Lindsey Graham... SMC22307 Mar 2017 #63

SS is actually one of the components of Federal retirement plans. Beartracks Mar 2017 #15

The one that slipped your mind is a pension. charlyvi Mar 2017 #51

Ah, thanks. Is the Thrift plan... Beartracks Mar 2017 #64

Yes. We can invest it in the usual ways charlyvi Mar 2017 #99

I don't have respect for him. He also said the retirement age should be increased. LiberalFighter Mar 2017 #17

Rosewater just proved my point about greed in america. shockey80 Mar 2017 #18

Rosewater, I just reread your post. shockey80 Mar 2017 #20

NO!!!. It is an annuity/insurance program that you have been paying into, and you are ENTITLED still_one Mar 2017 #25

It's called social security insurance. shockey80 Mar 2017 #26

I assume you are directing that to me. Doesn't matter. People have paid into the insurance policy, still_one Mar 2017 #27

NO, IT IS NOT. Social Security DISABILITY is insurance. Regular Social Security is NOT. n/t pnwmom Mar 2017 #60

Yeah, and it's called "169 posts." WinkyDink Mar 2017 #148

If i was rich. shockey80 Mar 2017 #28

That isn't the point. Social Security is a contract that people have paid into, and they are still_one Mar 2017 #30

Still one shockey80 Mar 2017 #29

Obviously you do not understand social security or annuities. Social security is SOCIAL INSURANCE still_one Mar 2017 #33

A broken clock is right twice a day. n/t GoCubsGo Mar 2017 #31

still one shockey80 Mar 2017 #36

No you don't get it. You also don't get how to reply to someone in a thread still_one Mar 2017 #42

SS has ways to rip off people. for example a person who pays SS taxes on work for 30 yrs msongs Mar 2017 #38

That's news to me. Got a link for that? SunSeeker Mar 2017 #52

You are right sun. An exception is if you have a higher income 85% of SS income is taxable still_one Mar 2017 #62

Saying your SS check is taxable like any other income is very different. SunSeeker Mar 2017 #66

I provided a link. Just to be clear if someone falls into that category up to 85% of the income still_one Mar 2017 #73

I am fine with being subject to income tax. nt SunSeeker Mar 2017 #82

I think this is what the poster is referring to for someone who has worked 30 years, and then gets still_one Mar 2017 #92

Being subject to income tax is very different from having your SS check "taken away." SunSeeker Mar 2017 #105

You are right still_one Mar 2017 #107

The problem is it is only income that as little as 25K. Big Blue Marble Mar 2017 #141

But only that portion of income above 25k is taxed, and at the lowest bracket, 15%. SunSeeker Mar 2017 #142

It is shrinking your benefit. Big Blue Marble Mar 2017 #146

Correct SunSeeker airplaneman Mar 2017 #71

As I told Sun if you make over a certain income in retirement, up to 85% of your Social Security still_one Mar 2017 #76

I see your point airplaneman Mar 2017 #89

Ditto Sun. OldHippieChick Mar 2017 #103

It happens to Colorado State employees eleny Mar 2017 #134

Is this what you are referring msongs still_one Mar 2017 #81

That's not true - both my wife and I are collecting SS benefits AND we each have.. George II Mar 2017 #136

Where were you in the crowd? mercuryblues Mar 2017 #39

You'll find a reason to lose your respect jeanmarc Mar 2017 #45

NO NO NO! Social Security should not be means tested and turned into a welfare program! SunSeeker Mar 2017 #46

He has several very appealing positions on the issues, now if he could only work on... George II Mar 2017 #47

I just came to my laptop to make a similar post. LAS14 Mar 2017 #48

I disagree about not collecting anything. It's insurance, no different from car insurance Warpy Mar 2017 #55

"Means testing" is intended to kill it pat_k Mar 2017 #56

Preach it! I have to laugh... SMC22307 Mar 2017 #123

God help us indeed! You might want to... pat_k Mar 2017 #127

Done! SMC22307 Mar 2017 #128

Agreed!!!! LovingA2andMI Mar 2017 #57

NOOOOOOOOOO! Social Security IS a retirement account that everyone pays into. pnwmom Mar 2017 #59

Yes (to the "Nooooo") pat_k Mar 2017 #65

From the SSA website Kaleva Mar 2017 #67

That doesn't matter. It is NOT insurance in the technical use of the term. It's a retirement program pnwmom Mar 2017 #72

An excerpt from FDR's speech Kaleva Mar 2017 #78

So? The modern insurance industry didn't even exist then -- so his use of the term has nothing pnwmom Mar 2017 #85

Insurance companies have been around for several hundred years Kaleva Mar 2017 #122

it's more of an annuity. mopinko Mar 2017 #115

I agree that the disability part is insurance. But regular Social Security is an earned pension. n/t pnwmom Mar 2017 #117

i'm mostly saying that to compare what you get from ss, vs what mopinko Mar 2017 #124

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Mar 2017 #102

I think the cap out to be removed and those earning above a certain amount have their benefits taxed Kaleva Mar 2017 #61

Lindsey Graham is a complicated figure.... TwistedTinkerbelle Mar 2017 #69

This isn't a noble idea. It's as way to reduce support for Social Security -- by changing it to pnwmom Mar 2017 #87

you nailed it pnwmom. still_one Mar 2017 #96

How about you read what I wrote. TwistedTinkerbelle Mar 2017 #143

The OP to which you responded was about Social Security, and you didn't address it. n/t pnwmom Mar 2017 #144

No RandySF Mar 2017 #83

We need everyone to collect or it is will accurately be labeled an entitlement. ALBliberal Mar 2017 #84

Even worse. It will be considered WELFARE. n/t pnwmom Mar 2017 #88

It is an entitlement ALB. Entitlement means YOU are ENTITLED to receive certain benefits. That still_one Mar 2017 #95

YES. It isn't charity and was never intended to be. nt pnwmom Mar 2017 #98

The media is also notorious to distort the meaning of entitlement also. still_one Mar 2017 #100

Charity can also be an entitlement exboyfil Mar 2017 #121

True...but our side should not use the word since it fits with their meme....nt ALBliberal Mar 2017 #106

Perhaps, or take the time and explain the actual meaning still_one Mar 2017 #109

Lindsey Graham was a prosecuted Bill Clinton in the Senate after he was impeached. RandySF Mar 2017 #86

I agreed with some of what he said, but... worstexever Mar 2017 #91

I'll believe it when he actually votes to do so meow2u3 Mar 2017 #104

The reason we still have social security and Medicare is because everybody is covered. yardwork Mar 2017 #110

EXACTLY. Turn it into welfare and its support will plummet. n/t pnwmom Mar 2017 #113

Third Way supports Social Security-destroying means testing... SMC22307 Mar 2017 #131

Disagree! If someone pays in they should collect. mountain grammy Mar 2017 #132

No. Graham has been trying to means test and cut SS for years. This is buying into his propaganda suffragette Mar 2017 #133

I absolutely disagree...when you means test this you begin the death process. nt Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #135

fuck him. eom spanone Mar 2017 #137

Means testing Social Security is a major step in killing it. n/t tammywammy Mar 2017 #140

I need to clarify my original post. shockey80 Mar 2017 #145

It even sounds good they would have a "choice" where the rich Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #165

You are wrong, and so is he. It is NOT INSURANCE. But hey---If you want to trust a REPUBLICAN,..... WinkyDink Mar 2017 #147

So we don't pay into a central pool of funds whistler162 Mar 2017 #152

Bullshit, SS is not a handout. If someone is expected to pay more then their benefits should...... USALiberal Mar 2017 #149

This message was self-deleted by its author sharedvalues Mar 2017 #153

Terrible idea, do that and it becomes a welfare program. NutmegYankee Mar 2017 #151

He's full of disingenous shit. 50 Shades Of Blue Mar 2017 #156

Wake up. Means testing turns it into welfare program which will get cut and destroyed nt lostnfound Mar 2017 #158

A Rethug will never earn my respect. clementine613 Mar 2017 #164