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pat_k

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19. The case for public option was never made to the Public.

Reply to dawg (Reply #17)

Sat Mar 25, 2017, 04:33 PM

Mar 2017

The debate didn't go beyond "insiders" or "back channels" -- and Obama and Congress abandoned it before even 25% of people knew what the term meant.

You don't START talking to the public about what you think "they" (the repubs) will "let" us have. That is the error the Democrats have been making for decades. And it is the reason we have lost so much ground.

The point is to make the case for the Public Option to the PUBLIC. You can bet that if they did that, there would be all kinds of dollars flowing in to support the effort. Progressives are VERY activated.

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How to kill Social Security with a Smile [View all] pat_k Mar 2017 OP

You are absolutely right on this. TDale313 Mar 2017 #1

You make a really good point. dawg Mar 2017 #2

Very good point on ACA pat_k Mar 2017 #4

Public option would be good, but it wouldn't be a selling point to swing voters. dawg Mar 2017 #8

That too! pat_k Mar 2017 #11

I think we need to propose a public option only for ... dawg Mar 2017 #14

hmmm... pat_k Mar 2017 #15

We already tried for the pubic option. Powerful interests blocked it. dawg Mar 2017 #17

The case for public option was never made to the Public. pat_k Mar 2017 #19

Yeah, but I don't move in progressive circles and I don't think it has ... dawg Mar 2017 #22

As of this year, states can open exchanges pat_k Mar 2017 #25

Means testing turns social security into a welfare AJT Mar 2017 #3

BINGO. n/t CousinIT Mar 2017 #23

Thank you. Excellent post. nt pnwmom Mar 2017 #5

Absolutely no means testing, ever Warpy Mar 2017 #6

Good way to frame. pat_k Mar 2017 #9

If you find yourself talking to a moron Warpy Mar 2017 #10

Thanks for setting the pro-means testing folks straight! (n/t) SMC22307 Mar 2017 #7

Sigh.. pat_k Mar 2017 #16

LOL, agree. Many are on the pro-Lindsey bandwagon... SMC22307 Mar 2017 #18

Well, he can be pretty funny when he's looped,.. pat_k Mar 2017 #20

Heh. And Jon Stewart does a wicked impression... SMC22307 Mar 2017 #21

raise Gabi Hayes Mar 2017 #12

Yep. pat_k Mar 2017 #13

Wait until many of us placed in the "Well-to-Do" category. WinkyDink Mar 2017 #24

massive K & R JHan Mar 2017 #26

So that means if the cap is removed, people who pay more will get more? Hoyt Mar 2017 #27

They should get more. SS is earned. Bill Gates deserves it as much as I do. IMO. n/t USALiberal Mar 2017 #28

Fine, then we will need other ways to prevent shortfall than just increasing cap. Hoyt Mar 2017 #29

How about stop raiding it for other government programs? nt USALiberal Mar 2017 #30

Sorry, but that is not the reason for the shortfall. Being repaid for that is considered Hoyt Mar 2017 #31

OK, thanks for the info. n/t USALiberal Mar 2017 #32

Some of the options. pat_k Mar 2017 #33