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BainsBane

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61. Fascism triumphs because people allow it

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 03:40 PM

Mar 2017

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And that is precisely what your post is defending. You may have the wealth and privilege to insulate yourself, but the citizens harmed by this fascist regime do not. If you mean to refer to the wealth and power of the nation, it's should be obvious that Trump and the rest in control of the state have no intention of "fighting back" against the Kremlin when it put them in power. What Putin and Trump have succeeded in doing is stripping away citizens of our most basic rights. How do you imagine the subaltern amass the wealth and power to fight back against that, or do we simply not matter? Why are you so determined to defend that erosion of our rights?

The US never interfered with a Russian election. The action you and a few others find so unacceptable is speech--speech critical of electoral corruption. While you deem that speech illegal, I seriously doubt you hold yourself to the same standard. Should you and others be imprisoned for criticizing the conduct of American elections? If it is illegitimate for a Secretary of State to comment on corrupt elections in Russia, why should it be acceptable for you to criticize elections here in the US?

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Democrats step up calls that Russian hack was act of war [View all] babylonsister Mar 2017 OP

Post removed Post removed Mar 2017 #1

We're going to get blasted for this... choie Mar 2017 #2

I could care less if I get blasted Lurks Often Mar 2017 #3

You obviously don't care about a lot of things. nt SunSeeker Mar 2017 #46

How the fuck is he "right" in equating calling out a dictator to hacking our election? SunSeeker Mar 2017 #47

By that same standard BainsBane Mar 2017 #54

Bullshit. False equivalence. Sculpin Beauregard Mar 2017 #4

Exactly. Looks like right wing talking points from here. Kingofalldems Mar 2017 #13

And TYT and The Intercept. N/T Chevy Mar 2017 #16

Same thing BainsBane Mar 2017 #67

More than that BainsBane Mar 2017 #55

Yep. It is sickening to see such a defense of fascism on DU. SunSeeker Mar 2017 #60

Exactly!! They sure are out in full force this weekend defending trump's sensitivities and russia AgadorSparticus Mar 2017 #19

Why the hell come here with that. It's like Trump saying sarcastically of the murdering Putin... Hekate Mar 2017 #26

Exactly. nt SunSeeker Mar 2017 #48

Let's be clear what this is BainsBane Mar 2017 #56

This is nowhere near what Russia did. nt fun n serious Mar 2017 #5

Post removed Post removed Mar 2017 #7

How the fuck is criticising unfair elections a bad thing? SunSeeker Mar 2017 #57

"She set the tone for certain actors inside the country; she gave the signal," Putin said of Clinton elleng Mar 2017 #6

'Putin said of Clinton' Sculpin Beauregard Mar 2017 #8

Appears that way. elleng Mar 2017 #9

She was Secretary of State, he was/is a bad actor. It is the JOB of a Secretary of State... George II Mar 2017 #20

Agree. Very insulting statement. Hortensis Mar 2017 #104

Are you actually blaming Secretary Clinton for "making" Putin hack our election? synergie Mar 2017 #29

No. elleng Mar 2017 #68

So the post about how it's her "mistake" and the "detritus" we're supposedly living with ... synergie Mar 2017 #134

WTF? SunSeeker Mar 2017 #31

Everything since the Big Bang, it appears. brer cat Mar 2017 #65

No joy here in recognizing putin's inclination to find an excuse elleng Mar 2017 #70

He didn't need an excuse, ellen. brer cat Mar 2017 #75

But it appears that Clinton is being blamed for giving him a reason to hammer the US. George II Mar 2017 #88

Only people looking for people blaming Secretary Clinton would find such. elleng Mar 2017 #90

Then why are you speculating that the two situations (Clinton/Russia and Putin/America) are... George II Mar 2017 #100

I am not so speculating; elleng Mar 2017 #102

When you get warned about calling out Russian Troll Chevy Mar 2017 #78

Yes it is. elleng Mar 2017 #69

Please. You brought up the Clintons. You claimed Putin's hacking was due to "Hillary's mistake." SunSeeker Mar 2017 #79

I did not. Post was removed. elleng Mar 2017 #83

You did. Your post is still there. SunSeeker Mar 2017 #85

The earlier post has been removed. elleng Mar 2017 #89

YOU said Hillary made a "mistake" in criticising Putin. SunSeeker Mar 2017 #96

It in NO way blames Clinton for Putin's hacking, elleng Mar 2017 #101

Yes it does. YOU chose the word "mistake," not anyone else. SunSeeker Mar 2017 #103

So I missed one people found even more offensive? Hortensis Mar 2017 #109

WHAT?? You can't be serious NastyRiffraff Mar 2017 #66

Back down, not at all; elleng Mar 2017 #73

"If she did this" NastyRiffraff Mar 2017 #77

OFFS, elleng, Clinton did not "foment internal unrest" in Russia. Putin's own corruption did that. SunSeeker Mar 2017 #87

I didn't say she did, I said IF, she did. elleng Mar 2017 #94

just like"if Obama wiretapped trump"........... JI7 Mar 2017 #97

That was not questioning the analogy, that was repeating it, elleng. nt SunSeeker Mar 2017 #99

6. "She set the tone for certain actors inside the country; she gave the signal," Putin said of Clin elleng Mar 2017 #107

Now you're repeating Putin's analogy again! SunSeeker Mar 2017 #116

Her comments are on the record BainsBane Mar 2017 #91

Elleng, a weak woman foolishly taking on a strong man Hortensis Mar 2017 #106

Do NOT put words in my mouth, elleng Mar 2017 #110

Oh, my mistake. But I really feel you could Hortensis Mar 2017 #111

Putin certainly is a 'raging misogynist,' elleng Mar 2017 #115

There you go again. This is not all a problem Hortensis Mar 2017 #118

Who the heck attributed it to Clinton's womanhood arousing the passions of a strong-man woman hater? elleng Mar 2017 #119

You did. Your words are still there. SunSeeker Mar 2017 #122

B.S. elleng Mar 2017 #123

No, elleng, I won't stop calling out Putin propaganda. It's a free country. For now. nt. SunSeeker Mar 2017 #128

I did not think you could shock me further. sheshe2 Mar 2017 #124

Her mistake as SOS was to challenge Putin? sheshe2 Mar 2017 #131

Not even close to being analogous. There's no direct evidence (because it didn't happen) that.... George II Mar 2017 #12

Hmmm. sheshe2 Mar 2017 #125

Thanks, she2, elleng Mar 2017 #126

You're literally saying that "Putin said so" and thus it must be so? synergie Mar 2017 #30

I am not saying he said so, elleng Mar 2017 #74

That was a literal quote including the words "Putin said of Clinton". synergie Mar 2017 #132

I quoted the entire post, elleng Mar 2017 #133

It might have something to do with the contruction of the post. There was no anaolgy in the bit you synergie Mar 2017 #135

Wrong interpretation. False equivalency. NOT comparable. Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #14

Well put, thanks. George II Mar 2017 #21

+1 dalton99a Mar 2017 #24

+1, exactly, and the reasons behind this R B Garr Mar 2017 #41

Like we used to allow slavery, so we should now allow ourselves to be enslaved? delisen Mar 2017 #22

And quite a few other times as well. It is pretty much how the US behaves. pangaia Mar 2017 #25

The US did not hack Russia's election, it simply called out Putin's corruption. SunSeeker Mar 2017 #50

Post removed Post removed Mar 2017 #82

Stop with the insults. You implied it, pangaia. I can read. SunSeeker Mar 2017 #84

No, I beg to differ, I did not imply it. You inferred it. :) pangaia Mar 2017 #86

I inferred it because you implied it. It's called reading comprehension. SunSeeker Mar 2017 #93

Maybe this will help. pangaia Mar 2017 #95

You've got no defense for your shameful post(s). nt SunSeeker Mar 2017 #98

Why, yes you did. It was in your message #25 synergie Mar 2017 #137

Are you suggest that we "asked for it"? synergie Mar 2017 #27

That missing "ic" is the tell that it is a right wing talking point. nt SunSeeker Mar 2017 #33

The fact that Trump and Putin say literally the same thing is the other tell. synergie Mar 2017 #36

Indeed. nt SunSeeker Mar 2017 #39

"Democrat presidents"? Maven Mar 2017 #35

Bingo! George II Mar 2017 #59

Excuse me? "Democrat" Presidents? George II Mar 2017 #37

Probably in the russian 1996 election as well elmac Mar 2017 #38

WTF? You just said we "probably deserved" having Putin hack our election! SunSeeker Mar 2017 #45

Post removed Post removed Mar 2017 #62

I see you are willing to buy into Putin's conspiracy theories about the Clintons with no proof. SunSeeker Mar 2017 #63

Well, we shouldn't hide or revise history like repugs like to do elmac Mar 2017 #72

It is you who is "revising history" by suggesting we hacked Putin's election. SunSeeker Mar 2017 #76

The history you have decided warrants stripping Americans BainsBane Mar 2017 #80

Well said BB! mcar Mar 2017 #112

Fascism triumphs because people allow it BainsBane Mar 2017 #61

Russia is hacking Sweden. Chevy Mar 2017 #81

Not kissing Putin's butt is not Progressive dog Mar 2017 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author m-lekktor Mar 2017 #51

Commenting about corruption BainsBane Mar 2017 #52

+1nt m-lekktor Mar 2017 #53

If criticizing elections is a crime BainsBane Mar 2017 #64

Everyone forgets that Cozy Bear aka Apt 29 also hacked Joint Chiefs of Staff and WHITE HOUSE! Turn CO Blue Mar 2017 #10

Everyone knows, or should, that malware used by these hackers is out and anyone can have it. L. Coyote Mar 2017 #23

Separate firms attached tracers, went back to known IPs that hacked Germany. We KNOW. Turn CO Blue Mar 2017 #49

We know the IP. We don't know everyone who used the IP. We KNOW they worked for Trump's L. Coyote Mar 2017 #113

Slow to the mark .. ananda Mar 2017 #11

Come on Dems...keep up the pressure. Something gotta give. FailureToCommunicate Mar 2017 #15

classic communist propaganda onetexan Mar 2017 #17

Russia is our adversary, no doubt about it. Wake up America! oasis Mar 2017 #18

Post removed Post removed Mar 2017 #28

Why aren't Republicans "concerned"?Russia stole our files, fucked with our election & our Democracy Sunlei Mar 2017 #32

K & R SunSeeker Mar 2017 #34

This was an act of war Maven Mar 2017 #40

Based on outcome of the Russian intervention a logical post. gordianot Mar 2017 #42

His collusion began before those comments BainsBane Mar 2017 #92

It will be interesting to find out how long. gordianot Mar 2017 #117

In regard to the election BainsBane Mar 2017 #121

Decades for money laundering. gordianot Mar 2017 #130

Russia attacked our electoral system Gothmog Mar 2017 #43

Russians overthrowing our presidential election by hacking, fake news, democratisphere Mar 2017 #58

If our nation was at war, per our Congresspersons, then wouldn't treason apply Mr. Ected Mar 2017 #71

And an act of treason by Trump and his co-conspirators. lpbk2713 Mar 2017 #105

Evening kick mcar Mar 2017 #108

This is an eye opening thread mcar Mar 2017 #114

It's all BS. NurseJackie Mar 2017 #120

With a the real crap we need to fight? mcar Mar 2017 #127

Back in the USSR LA-Italian Mar 2017 #129

Relates to this petition before SCOTUS Danascot Mar 2017 #136