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82. conversely, Democrats need to take clear and unambiguous stands on easily comprehended policies

Tue Mar 28, 2017, 04:44 PM

Mar 2017

while i understand and respect your concern, in my opinion now is not the time to play a conservative "long game" -- the odds of any part of the current regulatory or social assistance infrastructure surviving the next 2 years intact are slim at best. we need to present a vision for rebuilding a sustainable future from the smoking rubble Trump and his allies will leave behind.

we have to start pushing for a future people can understand and support. we have to be a party that stands for something more appealing than the situation we had in 2016 when we signed it all away. we need positions that are easy to promote, easy to remember, and exciting to imagine.

"universal healthcare for everyone" is exactly that
"partially subsidized private health insurance" is not

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Can someone explain to me if someone introduces a bill for Single Payer either in the [View all] still_one Mar 2017 OP

It won't see the light of day JustAnotherGen Mar 2017 #1

Then we agree. I don't think it would ever get out of committee. still_one Mar 2017 #4

and maybe some Dem campaign ads for 2018 vlyons Mar 2017 #28

With repugs TEB Mar 2017 #2

I don't think that is just your opinion TEB, and think that is the political reality still_one Mar 2017 #6

It won't be acted upon TexasTowelie Mar 2017 #3

Good point Texas, if the past is any indication of the future, the attention span of many still_one Mar 2017 #5

You are correct TEB Mar 2017 #8

I wouldn't be so sure to conclude that it won't see the light of day UncleTomsEvilBrother Mar 2017 #7

It won't even get out of committee, the bill will die. That is what happens when you don't have still_one Mar 2017 #9

It is done because it is THE RIGHT THING TO DO! and keep doing it over and over til.... nt msongs Mar 2017 #10

That is fine, but the reality is that it will not get out of committee, and will get killed still_one Mar 2017 #12

So what? truebluegreen Mar 2017 #15

Where did I say it shouldn't be done? still_one Mar 2017 #16

The point of your post seemed to be, why bother? truebluegreen Mar 2017 #17

The point of my post is because some have the view in another thread that this is really going still_one Mar 2017 #18

Hmm. OK truebluegreen Mar 2017 #19

While Hillary didn't run on Single Payer, she did run on adding a public option to the ACA still_one Mar 2017 #20

Clearly, that generated a lot of enthusiasm. nt truebluegreen Mar 2017 #22

That isn't why she lost, and you know it. still_one Mar 2017 #23

You have no idea what I know, or don't. truebluegreen Mar 2017 #32

Sunday Bernie was praised for talking about the public option BainsBane Mar 2017 #29

They can run on saving the ACA which will help them... Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #67

And in doing so, will engender both conversation and media coverage. LanternWaste Mar 2017 #57

Waste of time...and I would rather the media talked of the Russian story and Trump's attempt Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #68

Absolutely yes!! DeeDeeNY Mar 2017 #36

And if somehow it happens to be passed into law TexasTowelie Mar 2017 #11

I think it is possible to make it feasible, but since it isn't going to happen, it is academic at still_one Mar 2017 #13

Conyers introduced the bill two months ago BainsBane Mar 2017 #27

Execution tazkcmo Mar 2017 #55

Oh please...that is a red herring...more imporant things to do... Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #66

A futile gesture, murielm99 Mar 2017 #14

You have to have something to fight for in order to fight well. aikoaiko Mar 2017 #21

Which is why John Conyers introduced the bill two months ago BainsBane Mar 2017 #26

Yes, every year for the last four years. Will you fight for Bernie's Senate bill, too? aikoaiko Mar 2017 #31

The Constitution stipulates that BainsBane Mar 2017 #34

Some of us would prefer in what I believe is a more effective strategy... Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #69

Unlike GOP, Dems can build a coalition for Medicare-For-All. talking-liberally Mar 2017 #24

Paul Ryan and GOP BainsBane Mar 2017 #25

They will never build such a consensus...it would require Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #70

Bernie's making the right nervous RandiFan1290 Mar 2017 #30

John Conyers introduced HR 676 on 1/24/17 BainsBane Mar 2017 #33

Bernie's been making the rounds pushing for it and... WePurrsevere Mar 2017 #35

Nope, but that doesn't matter... paleotn Mar 2017 #37

They are very important, to show what we are about. Like the GOP voting over and over harun Mar 2017 #38

There has been a bill for such introduced in each congress since 2003. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2017 #39

Same as the GOP introducing O-care repeal over and over and over, wildeyed Mar 2017 #40

I realize this is just another passive aggressive attack on Bernie but putting that aside, m-lekktor Mar 2017 #41

What happened to single payer in Vermont? Gothmog Mar 2017 #43

There is no chance of passing this bill Gothmog Mar 2017 #42

If you don't put it out there - it will never pass.... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #44

If it never gets out of committte, it gets killed. This thread ISN'T anti-single payer, but it is still_one Mar 2017 #45

My point: be positive. Being positive spreads to other people... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #54

That's good, but the best we can hope for right now is delay until 2018 still_one Mar 2017 #56

No we don't because we can't and such talk endangers the ACA... Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #71

The ultimate goal is Medicare for ALL. Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #73

The first goal is to save the ACA and it is not out of the woods yet. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #77

Absolutely correct - the repubs are still gunning to kill the ACA... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #78

Okay. People who think this is actually going to pass are being overly optimistic, BUT JCanete Mar 2017 #46

I realize that, and am very much for Single Payer, but this won't get out of committee. The point still_one Mar 2017 #48

Again, never expected to get out of committee. in previous years, I understand Sanders has proposed JCanete Mar 2017 #60

You make an excellent argument, and there is nothing you said that I disagree with. still_one Mar 2017 #61

I live in California too, and wasn't aware of that bill. Awesome! I'll look into it. nt JCanete Mar 2017 #62

Here still_one Mar 2017 #63

start working on it now... lame54 Mar 2017 #47

It would need to be resubmitted in 2018, because the republicans will not let this get out of still_one Mar 2017 #50

so don't submit it till we need it... lame54 Mar 2017 #79

it would NEVER get to the floor. it would be ignored. file 13 spanone Mar 2017 #49

Elections have very real consequences. Will the voting dynamic change in 2018? We hope so still_one Mar 2017 #51

i think we need to bring up single-payer every chance we get, but as long as we're a minority.... spanone Mar 2017 #58

Waste of time... Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #74

Citizens STOPPED the ACA repeal. They can GET Single Payer leftstreet Mar 2017 #52

First of all that wasn't the same thing. Second, trump has already threatened that the ACA will be still_one Mar 2017 #53

There is no evidence they want single payer. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #75

By keeping it front and center... Heartstrings Mar 2017 #59

majority controls the legislative process...elections of consequences, 2018 must happen first beachbum bob Mar 2017 #64

It won't get acted on and with the GOP planning to try to kill the ACA again, Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #65

right now it's important to get them on the record in support or opposition 0rganism Mar 2017 #72

Why? So we can divide and conquer and attack our own party instead of the GOP. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #76

really? finding out where our elected representatives stand is "attacking our own party"? 0rganism Mar 2017 #80

Yes...it would divide Democrats...and for something that has no chance of becoming law Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #81

conversely, Democrats need to take clear and unambiguous stands on easily comprehended policies 0rganism Mar 2017 #82