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In reply to the discussion: Can the President still say that the mandate is not a "tax"?? [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)27. Democrats
"But still, the Democrats would have to accept that they have the authority to tax and regulate anything it wants and be ready to accept the political consequences. Will these Democrats ever progress to that point?"
...can make the argument Verrilli made and also point out the facts related to Roberts' shift as Schumer did: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002887119
One thing is certain, Republicans are going to try to argue that it's a tax increase, but that puts Mitt in a bind: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002887389
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I think that calling it a "Pyrrhic" victory means that it may have a negative effect
razorman
Jul 2012
#25
You have a point. Of course, both sides will try to "spin" to their best advantage.
razorman
Jul 2012
#134
"Its positive attributes can be touted." - in today's "liberally-biased media"???
zbdent
Jul 2012
#34
If I don't get health insurance and pay the tax what do I get? You just stated:
kelly1mm
Jul 2012
#39
No, I don't get a health insurance policy by paying the tax. By definition you only pay the tax if
kelly1mm
Jul 2012
#74
The President won the battle for legislation he tacked his presidency on, but Roberts gave...
Poll_Blind
Jul 2012
#5
Some legal scholars suggest Roberts produced an essentially conservative opinion with a...
Poll_Blind
Jul 2012
#17
It is a penalty affecting a small number of people who could afford to buy health insurance but
Skidmore
Jul 2012
#10
The Mandate isn't a tax. The Penalty is. If you follow the law, you incur no tax.
MjolnirTime
Jul 2012
#13
Again, while five Justices said it was constitutional, only one said it was a tax.
Nye Bevan
Jul 2012
#37
"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet." A tax by any other name would smell as...
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jul 2012
#31
I think Dems best response is - "Huge tax increase"? Fearmongering hyperbole. Check the facts...
pinto
Jul 2012
#35
You are a brave person; your op is spot on (if it looks like a tax, quacks like a tax, and walks
sad sally
Jul 2012
#70
It's regressive in that a .001% upper income will pay the same as a 10% upper income..
Fumesucker
Jul 2012
#77
A sovereign currency government does not need to increase taxes to spend.
girl gone mad
Jul 2012
#100
But then, it would have failed and you would have something else to complain about.
kentuck
Jul 2012
#81
he says that IF they view it as a tax, they have an obligation to leave the law alone
bigtree
Jul 2012
#88
There's a difference between a tax, and a penalty imposed under the authority to tax
markpkessinger
Jul 2012
#91
What is at issue now is not what the Solicitor argued, but what the Court actually held n/t
markpkessinger
Jul 2012
#97
In other words, would it have been better to have the entire bill declared unconstitutional?
kentuck
Jul 2012
#101
I don't understand by people want to echo the current RW talk radio rant about "new taxes"...
NYC_SKP
Jul 2012
#133
Hey, why don't you just take it up with Nancy Pelosi, who used the term last week?
NYC_SKP
Jul 2012
#132