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patrice

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4. I have to say that I probably agree more than I don't, though it may be close, with the

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 12:09 PM

Jul 2012

perspective sketched in #2 above.

The basis of my agreement is from being around the Occupy. Our experience was that the different issue and identity groups completely missed what horizontal empowerment is because each subset was so deeply and automatically placing their specific difference way waaaay ahead of anything that they did in fact share with everyone else. Apparently, people thought all they had to do was come there and convince others to _____________________ and everyone would eventually co-operate as one and when that didn't happen, the couldn't deal with the complex reality. Eventually they all got tired of coming and proposing activities, and allowing everyone else to critique, "suggest", and change anything and everything that the proposal intended, and all of that coming from people who NEVER intended in the first place to do it anyway, never intended, because ___________________ was not _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ .

Oh we did go ahead and do a bunch of marching on the banks and several other pretty good sized activities, but it cost the organizers of those activities a great deal, as there got to be more and more hold-outs, not only because of whatever disagreements on that specific issue, but also because of issues going on in the larger group.

All of this seems to me to be similar to what American workers experience with Affirmative Action.

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Robert's "long game" is to dismantle affirmative action [View all] Skidmore Jul 2012 OP

I'm not quite sure what to make of John Roberts lately permatex Jul 2012 #1

Don't be fooled. Look at the overall track record...... marmar Jul 2012 #8

Exactly. Remember Citizens United. Bake Jul 2012 #38

Its a scam... dtom67 Jul 2012 #32

Hadn't thought of it like that permatex Jul 2012 #36

I am reading how some Labor historians think AA split the economic working class that used to patrice Jul 2012 #2

I agree its created a tremendous split among Democrats. Peregrine Took Jul 2012 #3

The abuse of authentic meritocracy is part of what HAS enslaved ALL of us. I'm old, patrice Jul 2012 #5

Workers need their own in-situ collectively developed job-specific evergreen merit assessment proces patrice Jul 2012 #6

Cowie says all of that was the end of the New Deal Coalition & the beginning of the Southern Strateg patrice Jul 2012 #7

But everyone doesn't start from the same place. marmar Jul 2012 #9

People who resent AA really don't understand what it does -- EFerrari Jul 2012 #13

Pretty clear you don't know much about it either ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #17

i would like to meet some of these unqualified minority students who fail because of AA EFerrari Jul 2012 #18

There were any number of them in most of the big name schools, including Cal ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #19

So you say. EFerrari Jul 2012 #21

Please note that the Punahou graduate with less than stellar grades ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #22

Ah, the "Affirmative Action President" canard Scootaloo Jul 2012 #30

Just how fecking illiterate can you be? ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #33

Wait a minute. I graduated from Punahou ('68) panader0 Jul 2012 #37

And your were probably better prepared for college than many other schools ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #39

WOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWW!!! uponit7771 Jul 2012 #43

Lack of adequate preparation in high school is not the same as lack of adequate preparation by race. Gormy Cuss Jul 2012 #23

It has the same result... ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #24

No it doesn't, thats false...AA has nothing to do with quotas and that's what you're pushing logical uponit7771 Jul 2012 #44

I am pushing nothing ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #51

To me it's not about "unqualified students" (everyone is qualified in a different way, imo). Romulox Jul 2012 #28

Clearly not everyone is qualified, especially at high end universities ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #34

American Universities don't even BEGIN to teach the skills necessary for life in the 21st century. Romulox Jul 2012 #40

I was referring to entrance qualifications and skills ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #49

Then that's the insititutions fault NOT AA.... uponit7771 Jul 2012 #45

For which definition of AA? ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #50

That has nothing to do with AA, that has more to do with racist memes than anything uponit7771 Jul 2012 #42

It was the effect in the real world ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #52

We *must* comes to grips with the reality of a white underclass, then. To pretend it's all race is Romulox Jul 2012 #25

Yeah, it split off the Southern Democrats who couldn't accept that black people were citizens. n/t EFerrari Jul 2012 #11

I have mixed feelings..... tpsbmam Jul 2012 #31

You've not listened to both side of the issue either, you'd never thing it was unfair if the true uponit7771 Jul 2012 #41

Since AA began in 1961 under JFK and the Voting Rights Act didn't even pass until later, EFerrari Jul 2012 #10

I've condensed about 50% of the book into that post. It was a much larger and longer process patrice Jul 2012 #12

I have to say that I probably agree more than I don't, though it may be close, with the patrice Jul 2012 #4

So was MLK Jr.'s banned from Kos Jul 2012 #14

that is RW disinformation Enrique Jul 2012 #47

I would like to see the focus of affirmative action change SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #15

I'm wondering if we couldn't see that as a change in its priorities. A systematic relationship patrice Jul 2012 #16

Then you'd go back to race, seriously people...blacks and Hispanics didn't wake up and say lets be uponit7771 Jul 2012 #46

You are correct, many of the same people that benefit now would continue to benefit SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #54

how quaint librechik Jul 2012 #20

His sole purpose, and 'long game', is to serve corporations. Simple really. -eom Huey P. Long Jul 2012 #26

Roberts is a snake Homer12 Jul 2012 #27

The last couple of posters have nailed it. Start by guessing which position most helps corporations Romulox Jul 2012 #29

I don't know what one thing has to do with the other Orangepeel Jul 2012 #35

CRA and VRA are enforced under the Commerce Clause, weakin that and you can get rid of those two law uponit7771 Jul 2012 #48

Concur ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #53