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34. If Pence and Ryan also go down

Reply to Fantastic Anarchist (Original post)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 11:02 AM

Mar 2017

The House will select another speaker, who will then advance to the presidency, leaving the House to select the next speaker again. No matter what happens, we will have a constitutional crisis with one or more lawsuits to be resolved by SCOTUS. The chaos will be so great if Trump goes down that I seriously doubt that the majority of Americans can stomach trying to also take down Pence and Ryan. If Pence skirts free, his presidency will be doomed to only the remainder of his tenure. He will be a lame duck from day 1.

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If Line of Succession is Illegitimate (Provide Ideas for a Solution) [View all] Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2017 OP

Pence is not gibraltar72 Mar 2017 #1

I agree. My point was even if he was innocent, it's still not valid. Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2017 #3

I believe that he will resign rather than go thru an investigation. n/t NCjack Mar 2017 #49

There's no way to do that. longship Mar 2017 #2

I'm not asking to propose legislation (well, to prevent future attempts). Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2017 #5

It would take a constitutional amendment. longship Mar 2017 #22

Why? My opinions involve procedural steps for a solution. Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2017 #27

The constitution specifically says how to elect a president. longship Mar 2017 #29

Okay, thanks for your opinion. Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2017 #30

Obtuse? Read your damned constitution! nt longship Mar 2017 #31

I have read it. Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2017 #41

Exactly. "Nothing provided for." Iggo Mar 2017 #43

Which would be a new election ... Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2017 #45

Sorry, but that doesn't follow. Jim Lane Mar 2017 #54

No, it would be a four year term for the winning candidate... brooklynite Mar 2017 #55

No. Iggo Mar 2017 #61

That's right! longship Mar 2017 #66

Except Longship is right obamanut2012 Mar 2017 #46

So you're asking to ignore the law and make shit up as we go mythology Mar 2017 #36

No, I'm not asking to "make up shit" ... Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2017 #42

That's Both True And Not True ChoppinBroccoli Mar 2017 #20

The blue fairy waives her magic wand? Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2017 #4

Sorry, was just trying to brainstorm for solutions ... Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2017 #7

I called DO-OVER! FSogol Mar 2017 #9

Oh geez ... another shouting at the clouds thread DaleFromWPB Mar 2017 #6

This is a message board where people exchange ideas and opinions. Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2017 #11

Unfortunately if Trump is impeached we get Pence. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #13

Pro-tip: Act_of_Reparation Mar 2017 #48

And water is wet ... Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2017 #65

I believe you're wrong on all points rock Mar 2017 #35

The Constitution establishes a clear line of succession BainsBane Mar 2017 #8

Actually the line of succession is statutory Shrek Mar 2017 #10

You must have missed the part where I said this was my opinion. Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2017 #12

As much as we all might wish DU could resolve the current situation BainsBane Mar 2017 #14

I don't think that DU can resolve the situation. Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2017 #15

Why? BainsBane Mar 2017 #16

It's fantasy to you because you make it fantasy. Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2017 #21

It would follow the line of succession to someone willing and able to take office. drm604 Mar 2017 #17

Consitution Convention and allow succession AngryAmish Mar 2017 #18

Bad time for a Constitutional Convention DaleFromWPB Mar 2017 #19

They would be glad to let the blue states go AngryAmish Mar 2017 #25

This is a useful thread. Ultimately the demand of the people for justice delisen Mar 2017 #23

Please feel free to recommend for visibility ... Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2017 #24

VP is removed for acceptable moderate. POTUS removed & moderate VP installed. Then next VP selected KittyWampus Mar 2017 #26

This is a really good idea! Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2017 #28

This is the only even remotely possible scenario DaleFromWPB Mar 2017 #37

Not a solution. Republicon majority means that the Republcon ticket retains VP & Presidency. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2017 #68

The Constitution does not provide for that. The Democrats should block any SC nominations still_one Mar 2017 #32

Regain control of the house and senate in 2018 SticksnStones Mar 2017 #33

If Pence and Ryan also go down vlyons Mar 2017 #34

Reset the clock to pre-inaugration. Obama resigns to meet Constitutional term limit, Biden is in L. Coyote Mar 2017 #38

Absolutely no way for this to happen DaleFromWPB Mar 2017 #39

There is a way, I've seen it happen before, even been a part of it once. L. Coyote Mar 2017 #40

This is a good idea, as well. Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2017 #44

I'm think there's still not a precedent for a foreign hughee99 Mar 2017 #47

A foreign state didn't 'pick' the President leftstreet Mar 2017 #50

I agree with you. This is the OP's characterization of what happened. hughee99 Mar 2017 #63

Why a Congressional committee? sl8 Mar 2017 #51

Ryan knew something MFM008 Mar 2017 #52

...except that the Election IS NOT illegitimate brooklynite Mar 2017 #53

I was thinking about this same scenario last night Blue_Roses Mar 2017 #56

Also bear in mind that the Constitution doesn't even require a popular vote. Jim Lane Mar 2017 #57

And its time to change it Blue_Roses Mar 2017 #58

That has of course been proposed for some time. Jim Lane Mar 2017 #59

I remember all too well Blue_Roses Mar 2017 #60

The popular vote and foreign interference are two different issues. Jim Lane Mar 2017 #62

The only way it would legally be "illegitimate" is if you showed that the votes of the electors were NYC Liberal Mar 2017 #64

Exactly Lee-Lee Mar 2017 #67