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In reply to the discussion: Pence wont eat with a women who isnt his wife? [View all]JTFrog
(14,274 posts)145. Why It Matters That Pence Won't Have Dinner With A Woman Who Isn't His Wife
In Pences worldview, men have no self-control, and women are either temptresses or guardians of virtue.
By Emma Gray
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/why-it-matters-that-pence-wont-have-dinner-with-a-woman-who-isnt-his-wife_us_58dd1740e4b05eae031d949c
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This history makes it all-the-more clear that this do-not-dine-with-women rule is predicated on the idea that the company of women is always first and foremost about sex.
There is nothing disrespectful about a committed person having a meal with a friend or colleague who is not the same gender as they are ― unless one is to assume that any interaction not under the watchful eye of a spouse would inevitably lead to infidelity. In this worldview, men have no self-control, and women are either temptresses or guardians of virtue.
The underpinnings of this belief system are what allow men to view women as other rather than equal. They allow some to rationalize that female victims of sexual violence asked for it because they wore provocative clothing, and others (including our president) to believe that assault is a natural outcome of putting men and women together in a high-pressure environment like the military. These belief systems are what create male-dominated work environments where women are viewed as sexualized distractions or cut out of the office culture altogether.
Is the vice president of the United States able to see any woman as his contemporary, rather than a potential threat to his marriage?
The ability to refuse to be alone with someone who is not the same gender as you and still climb the professional ladder is a privilege that is simply not afforded to women. Imagine if Elizabeth Warren or Kamala Harris or Nancy Pelosi refused to attend political functions where alcohol was served without their husbands in tow to supervise them. Imagine if they never took one-on-one meetings with potential campaign managers or fellow lawmakers who happened to be men. These womens careers would have been over before they started.
By Emma Gray
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/why-it-matters-that-pence-wont-have-dinner-with-a-woman-who-isnt-his-wife_us_58dd1740e4b05eae031d949c
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This history makes it all-the-more clear that this do-not-dine-with-women rule is predicated on the idea that the company of women is always first and foremost about sex.
There is nothing disrespectful about a committed person having a meal with a friend or colleague who is not the same gender as they are ― unless one is to assume that any interaction not under the watchful eye of a spouse would inevitably lead to infidelity. In this worldview, men have no self-control, and women are either temptresses or guardians of virtue.
The underpinnings of this belief system are what allow men to view women as other rather than equal. They allow some to rationalize that female victims of sexual violence asked for it because they wore provocative clothing, and others (including our president) to believe that assault is a natural outcome of putting men and women together in a high-pressure environment like the military. These belief systems are what create male-dominated work environments where women are viewed as sexualized distractions or cut out of the office culture altogether.
Is the vice president of the United States able to see any woman as his contemporary, rather than a potential threat to his marriage?
The ability to refuse to be alone with someone who is not the same gender as you and still climb the professional ladder is a privilege that is simply not afforded to women. Imagine if Elizabeth Warren or Kamala Harris or Nancy Pelosi refused to attend political functions where alcohol was served without their husbands in tow to supervise them. Imagine if they never took one-on-one meetings with potential campaign managers or fellow lawmakers who happened to be men. These womens careers would have been over before they started.
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I hope that I would happen to be seated at an adjacent table just to watch this show.
Marie Marie
Mar 2017
#46
But if the chaperone is also a woman, it could lead to a meringue a trois!
Buns_of_Fire
Mar 2017
#48
Probably is a derivative of Billy Graham's rule never to be in a room alone with a woman
grantcart
Mar 2017
#7
It's a technique that renders women back to being chattel- we need to travel w keepers again?
bettyellen
Mar 2017
#52
I am certainly no fan of Pence, and may be in the minority, but it makes sense to me.
AgadorSparticus
Mar 2017
#13
It's goofy as hell, and would probably preclude any woman from working for him
The Velveteen Ocelot
Mar 2017
#15
You can conduct business outside of dinner. But he could certainly have his assistant tag along.
AgadorSparticus
Mar 2017
#17
It works both ways. Some women wouldn't have dinner with men they are not married to.
AgadorSparticus
Mar 2017
#20
No, it's a restriction on the women who ought to be working with him
muriel_volestrangler
Mar 2017
#83
As a society, when we see someone have a drink, we don't automatically jump to the conclusion
AgadorSparticus
Mar 2017
#146
Bollocks. As a society, we live in the 21st century. We used to live in the second half of the 20th.
muriel_volestrangler
Apr 2017
#147
Nonsense. There is much assumption on your part. He can still hire a woman
AgadorSparticus
Apr 2017
#149
And it is our duty, as liberal people who see women as equal to men, to call out bad behaviour
muriel_volestrangler
Apr 2017
#150
Yes, he does have to. That's the point. He has to treat men and women equally.
muriel_volestrangler
Apr 2017
#154
There's two different questions, to my mind, if I think more about it.
Warren DeMontague
Mar 2017
#65
I think there are a few things going on, some of them generational, here.
Warren DeMontague
Mar 2017
#143
It makes sense only if you think men can't control themselves and women are harlots.
alarimer
Mar 2017
#86
Things are a little different for major political figures than they are for librarians.
EL34x4
Mar 2017
#123
Well, if eating is such a sexy activity maybe he shouldn't eat alone with a man, either.
betsuni
Mar 2017
#22
but he will "grab 'em by the pussy" when they aren't his wife. This is about PRETENSE that's all
luvMIdog
Mar 2017
#47
Does that mean that deep down, below the Bible-thumping veneer, he's just as much an
Vinca
Mar 2017
#70
He also won't be at a function or place that serves alchol, unless his wife is there
obamanut2012
Mar 2017
#88
Exactly, it is a way to blame women for the fact that he can't control himself. n/t
FSogol
Mar 2017
#111
Pence obviously thinks "Tom Jones" was a documentary where dinner becomes the
no_hypocrisy
Mar 2017
#109
Totally off the wall...but then remember Ashcroft - and the cloaking of
asiliveandbreathe
Mar 2017
#128
It's sexist. He sees women only as sex objects, not as equals. He assumes others feel the same.
NurseJackie
Mar 2017
#129
Wow, what a coincidence, women who aren't his wife won't eat with him either.
L. Coyote
Apr 2017
#152