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TheKentuckian

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73. Broke people that need a free lunch, working to middle class families with children

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 02:39 PM

Jul 2012

(which is a willful tax code values decision rather than one created by a government system), large corporations, and rich folks with the right accountants and tax lawyers.

Seems the only change in the "soup lines" is more room at the trough at the expense of the more former groups which seems kind of contrary to the idea of quality affordable health care for all or at best agnostic to it.

Your "how" is always a values statement whether it is intended to be or not because all the theory is put into practice and the weight is distributed as the system dictates. Somebody is going to get a free ride no matter what you do whether it be in hard fact or in functional proportion. The way that plays out is what values mean beyond notions bouncing around one's head.

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You didn't get a public option or you didn't get single payer and now your pissed. [View all] upaloopa Jun 2012 OP

I am more than happy to pay taxes to cover my health care costs Bjorn Against Jun 2012 #1

Quit with right wing talking points bull shit already! You think doctors shouldn't make a profit? upaloopa Jun 2012 #3

More fucking RW talking points and name calling. DevonRex Jun 2012 #8

oompa loompa, doopity doo, he has RW talking points for you... dionysus Jul 2012 #79

Hey you!! DevonRex Jul 2012 #87

wadsworth dragged me on another one of his blasted safaris. i can't stand the heat dionysus Jul 2012 #90

Freeloader is one word, not two.. Fumesucker Jun 2012 #12

Favorite group: RKBA. nt DevonRex Jun 2012 #14

I am no freeloader, I pay taxes and for insurance Bjorn Against Jun 2012 #18

We in Canada don't pay the cost of drugs you arthritisR_US Jul 2012 #89

I support socialized medicine, what makes me obtuse? Bjorn Against Jul 2012 #101

Not if it means that people have to die because the PRICES of the medical care and drugs rocktivity Jun 2012 #19

20% to insurance companies v. 2% to public administrators. HiPointDem Jul 2012 #94

I totally agree. A progressive tax to fund health care would be the perfect funding solution. Zorra Jun 2012 #15

Yes we would riot. laundry_queen Jun 2012 #28

Well, the ACA contains a progressive tax frazzled Jul 2012 #84

Thanks! That's great! I know the RW trolls that are reading this must totally hate this fact, Zorra Jul 2012 #88

"What you want is not to have to pay for your medical care." girl gone mad Jun 2012 #2

You've been paying those parasitic middlemen up till now treestar Jun 2012 #32

I got news for ya Zalatix Jun 2012 #57

Insurance companies were against it all along treestar Jun 2012 #60

Actually they weren't, MadHound Jun 2012 #63

The individual mandate was THEIR IDEA. How can there be people who still do NOT know this? Poll_Blind Jun 2012 #64

How can one not know what is not true? treestar Jun 2012 #65

Then why did they propose it less than two weeks after the President was elected? (LINK) Poll_Blind Jun 2012 #69

+1 DJ13 Jun 2012 #34

Your two-tiered system doesn't really make sense frazzled Jun 2012 #4

some people in canada, probably the richie riches, buy private insurance to supplement the govt plan dionysus Jul 2012 #81

The OP wasn't talking about supplemental insurance, I think frazzled Jul 2012 #83

Fellow DUers, don't let the ignorance of this post bother you. senseandsensibility Jun 2012 #5

I love the ACA overall, I only hate the mandate, I vastly prefer to PAY TAXES into Medicare for All. Zalatix Jun 2012 #56

Well, work for it then. We have a foundation now to build on. Skidmore Jun 2012 #72

Wrong. tosh Jun 2012 #6

Maybe, but making them cover everyone is a step treestar Jun 2012 #30

Hi, treestar. I agree with you 100% tosh Jun 2012 #51

So you think everyone in the UK doesn't want to pay for their medical care? Fumesucker Jun 2012 #7

They do pay, and they know they do treestar Jun 2012 #29

Everyone is not covered and everyone does not have the freedom to move ... slipslidingaway Jun 2012 #45

I thought the UK had a national health care plan. treestar Jun 2012 #61

?????? This sentence refers to the UK system .... slipslidingaway Jun 2012 #66

Who is not covered under the ACA? treestar Jun 2012 #70

With ACA anynbody who can't afford insurance but shows too much income on paper limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #76

People in that group get subsidized treestar Jul 2012 #82

You are wrong in several ways. limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #103

This message was self-deleted by its author DevonRex Jun 2012 #9

You're. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2012 #10

I want to pay for my health care in a single payer system Marrah_G Jun 2012 #11

Oh, I get it! We liberals want to do nothing but freeload! backscatter712 Jun 2012 #13

"Does it really matter if an insurance company or the government provides the coverage rocktivity Jun 2012 #16

is this your flame out post? quinnox Jun 2012 #17

"what they really want is a free ride" marmar Jun 2012 #20

there's a free lunch in Canada Enrique Jun 2012 #21

Dear Skinner, et al- PLEASE bring back "Un-rec", if ONLY for this single OP!?!?! stlsaxman Jun 2012 #22

Bah, who cares. Unrec or no unrec, we can still speak our opinions. Or even trash the thread. Zalatix Jun 2012 #58

correct- and un-rec IS my opinion, tyvm. stlsaxman Jun 2012 #59

Hoo boy... derby378 Jun 2012 #23

What free lunch is to be had from Single Payer, a public option, or an NHS? TheKentuckian Jun 2012 #24

Single payer is by definition a "free lunch" for any who never pays taxes. banned from Kos Jun 2012 #40

Who never pays taxes? Fumesucker Jun 2012 #47

People who have never earned any income. banned from Kos Jun 2012 #52

Who never earns any income? Fumesucker Jun 2012 #55

All those free riding toddlers and children. girl gone mad Jul 2012 #100

Broke people that need a free lunch, working to middle class families with children TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #73

Sigh! Wrong: sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #25

Very True treestar Jun 2012 #26

Do you consider Medicare to be a free ride? Puregonzo1188 Jun 2012 #27

Don't most seniors pay for an extra kind of insurance along with Medicare? flamingdem Jun 2012 #48

Ah, well, a post and run. laundry_queen Jun 2012 #31

Huge logic FAIL eridani Jun 2012 #33

Jeez, I'm guessing you're under 18 and completely unaware of how healthcare is run. FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #35

Making the government the new middleman quaker bill Jul 2012 #99

Fail. n/t EFerrari Jun 2012 #36

You are so far off base, you're sitting in the bleachers Stinky The Clown Jun 2012 #37

"There ain't no free lunch!" pacalo Jun 2012 #38

It is not hateful. The OP agrees with Jesus and "healing the sick". banned from Kos Jun 2012 #42

I am picturing Jesus screaming "NO FREE LUNCH FOR YOU FREELOADER!!11!!!" Bjorn Against Jun 2012 #43

The OP has not said such. banned from Kos Jun 2012 #44

He sure as hell did not say anything Christ like Bjorn Against Jun 2012 #46

I admit that I am disappointed. RandySF Jun 2012 #39

What makes you think he didn't lean on them? Cary Jun 2012 #62

The most logical explanation is that the President got EXACTLY what he fought for. No more, no less. Romulox Jun 2012 #68

I disagree. Cary Jun 2012 #71

Well, we might as well conjecture that Martians intervened, if all speculation is equally plausible. Romulox Jul 2012 #74

I'm perfectly comfortable with my understanding. Cary Jul 2012 #75

Appeal to authority notwithstanding, you have no evidence for your claim. All known evidence is to Romulox Jul 2012 #91

Hahahahaha! Cary Jul 2012 #92

Oh dear. "Appeal to authority" is one of the "logical fallacies"; it has a specific meaning, and Romulox Jul 2012 #95

So you think that every time someone says that they know what they're talking about it's Cary Jul 2012 #96

This: "A former law partner of mine was a United States Senator" is an appeal to authority. Romulox Jul 2012 #98

More laughing, since you offer nothing to read. ROTFLMAO Cary Jul 2012 #105

Laugh until milk comes out your nose; a lawyer shouldn't be proud of being ignorant of the rules of Romulox Jul 2012 #106

Now you're just being ridiculous. Cary Jul 2012 #107

Fail, fail, fail and not much more to say ... slipslidingaway Jun 2012 #41

I asked elsewhere if seniors pay in addition to Medicare for extra coverage flamingdem Jun 2012 #49

Many do pay extra to help defray those added costs ... slipslidingaway Jun 2012 #53

and the people who constantly scream about "personal responsibility" zbdent Jun 2012 #50

Scream at the Swedes! Zyzafyx Jun 2012 #54

The OP is a nonsensical swipe a Straw Man; nobody thinks Single Payer is free. nt Romulox Jun 2012 #67

Dumb post is a hot pile of dumb. HughBeaumont Jul 2012 #77

The scolding is getting old Marrah_G Jul 2012 #78

no one wants "free" health care (maybe a few dolts, not many). single payer\public option dionysus Jul 2012 #80

Nice PSA from the RMoney campaigh. nt NCTraveler Jul 2012 #85

Free lunch my ass! Bake Jul 2012 #86

20% to insurance companies. that's what i'm pissed about. HiPointDem Jul 2012 #93

They could bring costs down with that money, insure more people, and help employer be more julian09 Jul 2012 #102

They are about to lose even more of their purchasing power. girl gone mad Jul 2012 #104

Can't believe y'all are still feeding this. n/t mattclearing Jul 2012 #97