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Showing Original Post only (View all)The 'Greenwald Left' Continues to Deny the Russiagate Story [View all]
While Trump and his minions on the right attack media attack stories regarding Trump's connection to Russia as Fake news, Glenn Greenwalfd, Ed Schultz and the TYT runs interference on the left. Of course, these talking points are the same as those made by Trump and his allies even though they come from folks who claim to be progressives.
http://thedailybanter.com/2017/03/the-greenwald-left-continues-to-deny-the-russiagate-story/
1) The "conspiracy theory" theory.
Despite the volumes of persistent and thorough reporting from The New York Times, The Washington Post, BBC, McClatchy, NBC News (Engel, Maddow, O'Donnell, Hayes), CNN and open source outlets like Pro Publica, not to mention concurrent investigations by the FBI, CIA, NSA, and the pro-Trump Congress, there are quite a few liberals claiming Russiagate is merely an unproved conspiracy theory.
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2) The "we're mean, too, and we totally deserve it" theory.
This is a very typical Greenwaldian attitude: America meddles in other elections, so we had it coming. Okay, would these same people excuse or even forgive a foreign invasion and the installation of a hostile regime in Washington just because we've engaged in regime change and nation-building? I would hope not, but probably. Indeed, Putin appears to be working on that one. No amount of harm inflicted upon the United States is unacceptable to this crowd, as long as they can point to something similar in our national history. It's nearsighted deflection at its worst.
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3) The "we never had a democracy in the first place" theory.
This is perhaps the most uniquely liberal reaction so far. Lacking anything of substance to say by way of either disproving or counterpointing the Russiagate reporting, these people would rather just go for the trite, overplayed, crowd-pleasing zinger. Is our election system in danger from gerrymandering, voter ID and voter purges? Hell yes. Are democratic elections a thing of the past? No way -- unless Putin and Trump did what many reputable experts believe they did. If these liberals were so concerned about democracy, they'd be completely on board with sussing out this story and its myriad repercussions. Instead, they're merely blowing it off with quick and mostly meaningless nods to their personal cynicism.
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Bottom line: it's absolutely this level of defiant ignorance that allowed Putin to so-easily infiltrate our social media and news cycles in the first place, with his pervasive disinformation campaign and hacked documents. Every single one of these commenters proved the point of my article by illustrating how Putin was able to turn unwitting Americans into his personal invading army: each one sharing, "liking" and retweeting his message, willingly, enthusiastically, while stubbornly refusing to accept they were suckered by the largest scale foreign invasion on U.S. soil since the war of 1812.
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I'd noticed that as well. I'm surprised that the players haven't noticed themselves...
NurseJackie
Apr 2017
#21
Agreed. Had a stunnng exchange w a few @ a party in which they kept attacking President Obama.
FreepFryer
Mar 2017
#4
Just want to say- that POSUCS post was allowed to stand. DU'ers voted to keep it.
KittyWampus
Apr 2017
#10
Did he ever apologize for the POSUCS post? I can understand being upset if you think a loved one is
stevenleser
Apr 2017
#68
Not to get into all the gory details, but of course the "Greenwald left" is going to deny....
George II
Apr 2017
#11
And who has Putin been providing "room and board" for the last several years? Edward Snowden.
George II
Apr 2017
#15
There are only a couple at TYT defending Russia. Certainly not most of them or the most visible ones
Quixote1818
Apr 2017
#17
Greenwald was always an arrogant ass. I cannot recall a time when he ever admitted being wrong
still_one
Apr 2017
#29
I still think Snowden is a traitor who gave our cyber secrets to Russia to learn our infrastructure
kimbutgar
Apr 2017
#30
I've seen Greenwald on twitter downplay the Russia connection as a conspiracy theory
Fast Walker 52
Apr 2017
#46
The thing these people say over and over, and it's so tedious: there's no evidence
Fast Walker 52
Apr 2017
#47
What about Sane Progressive Attacking Democrats, Giving Republicans a Free Pass?
TomCADem
Apr 2017
#75
She doesn't speak for me...I think Bernie was being pragmatic in supporting Hillary
DemocraticSocialist8
Apr 2017
#77