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TomCADem

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Fri Mar 31, 2017, 10:57 PM Mar 2017

The 'Greenwald Left' Continues to Deny the Russiagate Story [View all]

While Trump and his minions on the right attack media attack stories regarding Trump's connection to Russia as Fake news, Glenn Greenwalfd, Ed Schultz and the TYT runs interference on the left. Of course, these talking points are the same as those made by Trump and his allies even though they come from folks who claim to be progressives.

http://thedailybanter.com/2017/03/the-greenwald-left-continues-to-deny-the-russiagate-story/

1) The "conspiracy theory" theory.

Despite the volumes of persistent and thorough reporting from The New York Times, The Washington Post, BBC, McClatchy, NBC News (Engel, Maddow, O'Donnell, Hayes), CNN and open source outlets like Pro Publica, not to mention concurrent investigations by the FBI, CIA, NSA, and the pro-Trump Congress, there are quite a few liberals claiming Russiagate is merely an unproved conspiracy theory.

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2) The "we're mean, too, and we totally deserve it" theory.

This is a very typical Greenwaldian attitude: America meddles in other elections, so we had it coming. Okay, would these same people excuse or even forgive a foreign invasion and the installation of a hostile regime in Washington just because we've engaged in regime change and nation-building? I would hope not, but probably. Indeed, Putin appears to be working on that one. No amount of harm inflicted upon the United States is unacceptable to this crowd, as long as they can point to something similar in our national history. It's nearsighted deflection at its worst.

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3) The "we never had a democracy in the first place" theory.

This is perhaps the most uniquely liberal reaction so far. Lacking anything of substance to say by way of either disproving or counterpointing the Russiagate reporting, these people would rather just go for the trite, overplayed, crowd-pleasing zinger. Is our election system in danger from gerrymandering, voter ID and voter purges? Hell yes. Are democratic elections a thing of the past? No way -- unless Putin and Trump did what many reputable experts believe they did. If these liberals were so concerned about democracy, they'd be completely on board with sussing out this story and its myriad repercussions. Instead, they're merely blowing it off with quick and mostly meaningless nods to their personal cynicism.

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Bottom line: it's absolutely this level of defiant ignorance that allowed Putin to so-easily infiltrate our social media and news cycles in the first place, with his pervasive disinformation campaign and hacked documents. Every single one of these commenters proved the point of my article by illustrating how Putin was able to turn unwitting Americans into his personal invading army: each one sharing, "liking" and retweeting his message, willingly, enthusiastically, while stubbornly refusing to accept they were suckered by the largest scale foreign invasion on U.S. soil since the war of 1812.



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Are they still around? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2017 #1
Back when Snowden was a hero. nt fleabiscuit Apr 2017 #26
Eddie is in Russia treestar Apr 2017 #51
aiding and abetting? sheshe2 Apr 2017 #60
after all, Eddie is quite the hacker! treestar Apr 2017 #64
Branded, sheshe2 Apr 2017 #66
That's too bad! GWC58 Apr 2017 #76
They are as bad as the cultists on the right. GoCubsGo Mar 2017 #2
Well, They Get Their Talking Points from the Same Source TomCADem Mar 2017 #5
Please, NOT a "uniquely liberal" reaction. This is a Hortensis Apr 2017 #43
Hortensis dropping some truth again .. JHan Apr 2017 #53
Who created the centrists Democrats problems? yurbud Apr 2017 #74
The extremists on both sides are working to destroy the free world. Dawson Leery Mar 2017 #3
Putin Is Not An Ideologue. He Is An Opportunist TomCADem Apr 2017 #8
I'd noticed that as well. I'm surprised that the players haven't noticed themselves... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #21
Agreed. Had a stunnng exchange w a few @ a party in which they kept attacking President Obama. FreepFryer Mar 2017 #4
Greenwald is not a leftist: he's a libertarian struggle4progress Apr 2017 #6
But a lot of leftists, including here at DU, have pushed his ideas. n/t pnwmom Apr 2017 #65
When Trump goes down JustAnotherGen Apr 2017 #7
Just want to say- that POSUCS post was allowed to stand. DU'ers voted to keep it. KittyWampus Apr 2017 #10
Thanks Kityy JustAnotherGen Apr 2017 #69
this is probably a stupid question but.. JHan Apr 2017 #38
Piece of shit used car salesman treestar Apr 2017 #52
lol thanks! JHan Apr 2017 #54
Didn't he have to change his tune on that one? wryter2000 Apr 2017 #56
Yes people on the very thread went and treestar Apr 2017 #59
Did he ever apologize for the POSUCS post? I can understand being upset if you think a loved one is stevenleser Apr 2017 #68
Don't count on this happening. alarimer Apr 2017 #61
I disagree JustAnotherGen Apr 2017 #70
These people are the real conspiracy theorists MountCleaners Apr 2017 #9
Not to get into all the gory details, but of course the "Greenwald left" is going to deny.... George II Apr 2017 #11
exactly, they are PART OF the whole shit JI7 Apr 2017 #13
And ALL of those... NastyRiffraff Apr 2017 #27
Indeed. dalton99a Apr 2017 #40
i'm pretty sure Greenwald and Assange get paid by Putin JI7 Apr 2017 #12
And who has Putin been providing "room and board" for the last several years? Edward Snowden. George II Apr 2017 #15
Along with HaHa Goodman. nt BainsBane Apr 2017 #35
Funny how such a "pure liberal" ended up at the Daily Caller. synergie Apr 2017 #41
Someone charted his output BainsBane Apr 2017 #44
Do you remember where? synergie Apr 2017 #45
No, I'm sorry, but I don't. BainsBane Apr 2017 #48
I think that guy is hilarious. synergie Apr 2017 #49
He didn't know what was in his own article? BainsBane Apr 2017 #50
I kept pointing out that the paragraph synergie Apr 2017 #55
I have never trusted Ed Schultz burrowowl Apr 2017 #14
Amazing how many "former" right wingers keep piping up synergie Apr 2017 #18
Jim Webb Dawson Leery Apr 2017 #23
Is Martin O'Malley the only one not defending Trump or his racist synergie Apr 2017 #42
Pawns for putin.. who could ever have seen Cha Apr 2017 #16
There are only a couple at TYT defending Russia. Certainly not most of them or the most visible ones Quixote1818 Apr 2017 #17
The rest are busy continuing on the work that Putin started. synergie Apr 2017 #19
Nope, most supported Hillary even though she wasn't their first choice. nt Quixote1818 Apr 2017 #24
They were publishing instructions on how to write in invalid candidates synergie Apr 2017 #39
Nope, most supported Hillary even though she wasn't their first choice. nt Quixote1818 Apr 2017 #25
They practically held their nose Charles Bukowski Apr 2017 #58
k&r tammywammy Apr 2017 #20
Oh, is that what that is? librechik Apr 2017 #22
Allegation is not proof. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #28
So, Are You Agreeing With Trump's Talking Points? TomCADem Apr 2017 #31
I find it interesting that people confuse allegation with proof. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #67
"centuries"? BainsBane Apr 2017 #36
This situation is very reminscent of the situation in KingCharlemagne Apr 2017 #37
The "we're mean, too, and we totally deserve it" theory. TomCADem Apr 2017 #72
Greenwald was always an arrogant ass. I cannot recall a time when he ever admitted being wrong still_one Apr 2017 #29
I still think Snowden is a traitor who gave our cyber secrets to Russia to learn our infrastructure kimbutgar Apr 2017 #30
CNN: Report: Hundreds arrested at anti-corruption protests in Russia TomCADem Apr 2017 #33
Cesca is pissing off all the right people with this... Blue_Tires Apr 2017 #32
One point of disagreement BainsBane Apr 2017 #34
I've seen Greenwald on twitter downplay the Russia connection as a conspiracy theory Fast Walker 52 Apr 2017 #46
The thing these people say over and over, and it's so tedious: there's no evidence Fast Walker 52 Apr 2017 #47
I question that they were really liberals. Wolves in sheeps clothing. caroldansen Apr 2017 #57
The woman of the foreground in this picture is Jill Stein Recursion Apr 2017 #62
Greenwald is a Russian stooge mcar Apr 2017 #63
Greenwald, Assange, Snowden: peas in a pod. VOX Apr 2017 #71
There is no such thing as the "Greenwald Left" DemocraticSocialist8 Apr 2017 #73
What about Sane Progressive Attacking Democrats, Giving Republicans a Free Pass? TomCADem Apr 2017 #75
She doesn't speak for me...I think Bernie was being pragmatic in supporting Hillary DemocraticSocialist8 Apr 2017 #77
The idiots on JPR are also still denying reality Gothmog Apr 2017 #78
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