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In reply to the discussion: The "liberal elite" [View all]synergie
(1,901 posts)are so busy denouncing these communities and telling them to put aside the real concerns of their everyday lives because some white men have decided that they get to decide who is a real progressive and what real progressive issues are, and everything else is identity politics.
Women must not be so rigid about insisting on basic human rights or fighting for something as simple as bodily autonomy, because reasons. People of color should hush up already, because it's only the WHITE working class whose issues matter. The same people who think that religious minorities are all the same, and their issues don't matter and the racism and the violence and the fear they live in doesn't matter, because white folks have economic anxiety (that no one else experiences apparently) and should step aside while "true progressives" embrace the people who cheered on Trump in his racist tirades and voted for him are learning that Trump's indifference extends to them as well.
I see a lot of these supposed progressives using those Republican talking points, when it comes to echoing GOP talking points, some "progressives" sure found a lot of common ground with attacking the party, its nominee, the people who make up the party etc. Weird how much they have in common.
Even weirder still is how so many "progressives" who should actually know better keep insisting that when a racist white men appropriate cultural and religious symbols from religions and cultures that are not their own, that they somehow "own" them. Be it a swastika (a revered symbol of numerous religions and cultures that was stolen by white Christian males, and defiled) or a celtic cross. A bunch of white guys in the 30's running around stealing symbols from cultures they had nothing to do with, be it the Celts, the Norse, the Hindus, Buddhists, Jains, Etruscans etc. and some "progressives" insist that the white men somehow get to define it?
I've never figured out why progressives, who are supposed to be more educated, culturally aware and less reactionary would be so ignorant. I guess it might be that they're truly ignorant and didn't bother to read the actual text of links, just the part where White men in a single decades did something with it and thus own it for all time. I don't agree with giving such men so much power.
Since you mentioned you're confused about the origins of these symbols and don't know what they are outside of the experience of some tiny fraction of white guys from the 30's, and those nostalgic for those times, allow me to educate you, please read all the words, skipping to the sentences about a single party in the 30's in one country won't tell you much about what the symbols actually mean to the wider human community.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_cross
I hope this clears up the confusion, and that "progressives" can now stop casting aspersions and insisting that White men and white men alone matter when it comes to progressive issues, the progressive agenda or the usage of symbols that they have stolen from other cultures. I know it's a trying time for white male culture, but as progressives, we really do need to help them understand that other voices matter too, and that we do not accept that they "own" the things they stole and trashed.