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JHan

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217. I have some theories about that brand of ignorance...

Mon Apr 3, 2017, 12:18 AM

Apr 2017

Sometimes cultural appropriation arguments can be bizarre but not always - the anger is over the way whiteness is the default and everyone else must adapt and cater to it which is harmful to all of us ( including whites). And who would want their culture unjustly and unfairly defined and distorted by another group , especially a dominant group?. In some ways I'm lucky - I'm a young black woman and my family resembles a United Nations assembly gathering, for which I'm grateful.

Also........it's unfortunate but you'll find myopia of all kinds on either side of the political spectrum, including progressives. I've lost count of the ways I've been lectured to about pointing out the racism, sexism, xenophobia in this country and support for Trump .. lectured to by progressives!

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The "liberal elite" [View all] BainsBane Apr 2017 OP

THANK YOU! betsuni Apr 2017 #1

Yes. Big truth. Needs a lot of repeating. Hortensis Apr 2017 #118

It reminds me of that saying Nwgirl503 Apr 2017 #140

Remember you are also an "elitist" if you are "too smart." I have been called an "elitist" because kerry-is-my-prez Apr 2017 #244

toxic combo of destructive envy and laziness and apathy that puts them there in the first place NRaleighLiberal Apr 2017 #2

Exactly BainsBane Apr 2017 #3

pisses me off - we have so many in our country that have been or are being screwed by NRaleighLiberal Apr 2017 #5

Guess I'm a "liberal elite" JHan Apr 2017 #4

When anyone uses the phrase liberal elite, the base is not who they are talking about. aikoaiko Apr 2017 #6

He said he was talking about the Democratic party BainsBane Apr 2017 #7

Who is he, BainsBaine? If we are talking about Bernie aikoaiko Apr 2017 #8

Why is the elite the Democratic Party and not the Republican party? BainsBane Apr 2017 #9

Yes, the liberal elite are, by and large, in the Democratic party and not the Republican party. aikoaiko Apr 2017 #13

So I didn't get the comment wrong BainsBane Apr 2017 #16

Stop spinning this please. JHan Apr 2017 #24

He's talking about liberal with power within the party that use their aikoaiko Apr 2017 #27

that's nonsense.. sorry. JHan Apr 2017 #30

It's not just billionaires or millionaires of the liberal variety aikoaiko Apr 2017 #34

sigh. JHan Apr 2017 #35

JHan I get you FakeNoose Apr 2017 #65

Instead of using dog whistles, which are destructive, he should aim for transparency. 58Sunliner Apr 2017 #218

as far as I understand the phrase, it is usually hurled at progressives from republicans who think boston bean Apr 2017 #39

yes, that too.. JHan Apr 2017 #40

Academics have it hurled at them as well. redstatebluegirl Apr 2017 #109

Yep. strange bedfellows eh? JHan Apr 2017 #155

definitely BainsBane Apr 2017 #175

I did a google search BainsBane Apr 2017 #101

sigh, and it's right out of the conservative playbook. JHan Apr 2017 #103

well the "liberal elite" world wide is under pressure: JHan Apr 2017 #106

Provide the quote that says that BainsBane Apr 2017 #31

seems strange that I have to provide the quote that your OP is apparently referencing aikoaiko Apr 2017 #36

Because you are claiming he said something BainsBane Apr 2017 #42

Here is the quote I think you are referencing and is the one I'm talking about. aikoaiko Apr 2017 #46

We need elites, to be a part of the "elite" doesn't mean you believe in elitism.. JHan Apr 2017 #50

I agree to an extent. You can be elite (brightest, motivated, polished) and not fall prey to elitis aikoaiko Apr 2017 #63

Exactly. H2O Man Apr 2017 #45

That's all very nice, but such thinking is useless QC Apr 2017 #107

I'll reserve the right to criticize what Sanders says NOW. The primaries are over, Demit Apr 2017 #124

It has nothing to do with the primaries BainsBane Apr 2017 #179

You know damn well this is about BS' comment on Cha Apr 2017 #189

INdeed Me. Aug 2017 #260

lol seems legit ! stonecutter357 Apr 2017 #52

Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Apr 2017 #43

I fail to understand BainsBane Apr 2017 #53

It isn't "the" H2O Man Apr 2017 #62

Why is that discussion at a public rally in Boston BainsBane Apr 2017 #67

If the public H2O Man Apr 2017 #70

So now you've defined elite as being elected to a position in the party BainsBane Apr 2017 #77

No, actually I haven't. H2O Man Apr 2017 #79

so when you said you were trying to change the party BainsBane Apr 2017 #96

Let's see: H2O Man Apr 2017 #105

How do you suppose opposition to fracking BainsBane Apr 2017 #137

Thank you for that! I love you so much! NurseJackie Apr 2017 #81

And now, H2O Man Apr 2017 #86

Thanks for your levelheaded thoughts, H20 Man. democrank Apr 2017 #68

Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2017 #71

so why didn't he throw his support behind Jehmu Greene? JHan Apr 2017 #72

Interesting. H2O Man Apr 2017 #75

It seems to be concerns about elitism from some quarters is a ruse.. JHan Apr 2017 #82

When a candidate H2O Man Apr 2017 #89

indeed, and "liberal elite" is very symbolic.. for reasons I outlined in this thread. JHan Apr 2017 #90

Interesting. H2O Man Apr 2017 #92

They should concern you.. JHan Apr 2017 #93

Odd. H2O Man Apr 2017 #94

How can the internal politics of any political party not pay attention to the political terrain? JHan Apr 2017 #95

Oh, that's simple! H2O Man Apr 2017 #108

Yes , I suppose it is that simple.. JHan Apr 2017 #110

It can only H2O Man Apr 2017 #115

Are you suggesting President OBama in that clip is pretending? JHan Apr 2017 #116

One of the H2O Man Apr 2017 #120

Ok that doesn't address the issue directly but it does provide context.. JHan Apr 2017 #125

Sure it does. H2O Man Apr 2017 #129

I'm well aware of the "realities" ... we are living with harsh "realities" because of stupidity. JHan Apr 2017 #131

I make my own "luck," H2O Man Apr 2017 #133

Thank you. This is the crux here Arazi Apr 2017 #121

Sad but true. H2O Man Apr 2017 #122

I keep being told that I don't understand what he really meant BainsBane Apr 2017 #144

Of course melman Apr 2017 #151

So have we know decided than economic inequality isn't the problem? BainsBane Apr 2017 #132

Please define H2O Man Apr 2017 #134

Correction BainsBane Apr 2017 #138

Me? H2O Man Apr 2017 #159

The question was about the meaning of elite BainsBane Apr 2017 #170

you know I laughed at this, but that's the insane logic here: JHan Apr 2017 #135

It really is BainsBane Apr 2017 #139

You are, of course, H2O Man Apr 2017 #157

I'm not a fan of rabbit holes. JHan Apr 2017 #160

I think it is clear BainsBane Apr 2017 #176

Yes, JHan Apr 2017 #180

or based on what month or week it is BainsBane Apr 2017 #102

+1 QC Apr 2017 #195

Then who are they talking about? George II Apr 2017 #12

I can't name names (DU Rules) but those who are elected or donate money and stifle grassroot efforts aikoaiko Apr 2017 #15

The status quo is Trump BainsBane Apr 2017 #21

geeze we were talking about the status quo within the party aikoaiko Apr 2017 #23

How about people quit using ill-defined buzz words BainsBane Apr 2017 #32

Sorry, to me that's just a collection of vague catch phrases. Okay, let's not name names.... George II Apr 2017 #41

So, anyone who is elected? synergie Apr 2017 #192

Are they talking about Sanders supporters like Susan Sarandon? KittyWampus Apr 2017 #20

He's talking about those with power within the party that use their power to stifle and control aikoaiko Apr 2017 #25

I made $15,000 last year butdiduvote Apr 2017 #10

That's just wrong BainsBane Apr 2017 #11

Had someone tell me voting for Hillary was an act of privilege. butdiduvote Apr 2017 #17

Exactly BainsBane Apr 2017 #22

You nailed it. They were Putin's pawns. nt SunSeeker Apr 2017 #44

Sounds like you're describing the 'Liberal Elite' progressoid Apr 2017 #47

Oh, are you saying the liberal elite BainsBane Apr 2017 #54

I don't know. progressoid Apr 2017 #59

Liberal elite is not a term I use BainsBane Apr 2017 #60

I favor the phrase BainsBane Apr 2017 #61

Potayto. Potahto. progressoid Apr 2017 #76

Um, isn't that ironic for Bernie to be saying? synergie Apr 2017 #97

Depends on how you look at it. progressoid Apr 2017 #223

We can look at his net worth. synergie Apr 2017 #235

if that is what Bernie meant BainsBane Apr 2017 #123

"Why didn't he say it?" progressoid Apr 2017 #227

You aren't following my point BainsBane Apr 2017 #228

I'm following it just fine. progressoid Apr 2017 #229

You're following it BainsBane Apr 2017 #238

Actually not just volvos - but electic/hybrid cars.. JHan Apr 2017 #85

Years ago I worked for a bank in NYC, earning $14,000 a year. Last year... George II Apr 2017 #14

Lmao butdiduvote Apr 2017 #19

I DO understand NastyRiffraff Apr 2017 #73

drop the mike after this.... all american girl Apr 2017 #199

And the elitist SS voted for another Elitist, jill stein.. Cha Apr 2017 #257

You need a RAISE, which is something a lot of party insiders aren't talking about Warpy Apr 2017 #114

Honestly, if it's between getting a raise and furthering what you call "middle class" social issues, butdiduvote Apr 2017 #214

You really don't get it, do you? Warpy Apr 2017 #245

Keep condescending me and telling me what I'm supposed to want. butdiduvote Apr 2017 #248

Reading comprehension Warpy Apr 2017 #249

Unbelievable. butdiduvote Apr 2017 #250

Yes...that's democrats...I'm tired of a white dude from a white state telling all of us who were are all american girl Apr 2017 #198

"Liberal elite" is a RW dog whistle meow2u3 Apr 2017 #18

Means people who don't focus on economic issues where I live hollowdweller Apr 2017 #26

So those people who care most about racism BainsBane Apr 2017 #29

It appears that this user is no longer with us. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #241

Wow BainsBane Apr 2017 #242

Probably a shut-in. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #243

??? BainsBane Apr 2017 #246

Don't mind me... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #252

Three bernie cultist attacked me racially on twitter last week. Kahuna7 Apr 2017 #28

Rachel has pointed out a couple of times... Blanks Apr 2017 #33

How can I as a gay man appeal to people who think I am an abomination? hrmjustin Apr 2017 #37

But they aren't really racist, sexist, or homophobic BainsBane Apr 2017 #38

I feel the same way. It's infuriating. It denegrates us. It divides us. It weakens us. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #48

Expecting us to reach out and embrace those supporting ideas that oppress us is self sabotage. JHan Apr 2017 #100

Don't worry, Justin. TexasTowelie Apr 2017 #247

You too! hrmjustin Apr 2017 #253

Thank you, BainsBane. It is infuriating. SunSeeker Apr 2017 #49

Well done, Bains. sheshe2 Apr 2017 #51

But if one sees the "liberal elite" as college teachers, media types, guillaumeb Apr 2017 #55

I completely agree BainsBane Apr 2017 #57

That is the operative definition of "liberal elite" exactly. Ligyron Apr 2017 #224

And the billionaire class, the true controlling elite, guillaumeb Apr 2017 #231

Liberal elite is a russian anti america talking point. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #56

It's time to ban Russians from coming into this country FakeNoose Apr 2017 #66

All that's going to do is increase the amount taxpayers are alreadying paying synergie Apr 2017 #98

It's bad enough for anyone to use those words to smear our great party... but then... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #58

K&R mcar Apr 2017 #64

It's sad to see some "progressives" mcar Apr 2017 #69

It's difficult for me to figure out if these people actually believe what they spout... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #74

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #88

That again? mcar Apr 2017 #104

It's a personal attack. A clever way to accuse you of being a white supremacist. By... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #111

Thank you Jackie! mcar Apr 2017 #113

Trump voters couldn't possibly be racist BainsBane Apr 2017 #119

Right? mcar Apr 2017 #162

We are a gurgling, bubbling cauldron of hate. Well, not we, but you know who I am Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #258

You are darn right it is a personal attack, and the insinuation made against Mcar is garbage still_one Apr 2017 #163

Thank you still_one! mcar Apr 2017 #165

Sorry that they are pulling this garbage again on you mcar still_one Apr 2017 #168

I wonder they don't take it up with Admin mcar Apr 2017 #169

Someone has asked the admins before. tammywammy Apr 2017 #173

Oh I remember mcar Apr 2017 #177

That's when I changed my avatar to the cross tammywammy Apr 2017 #178

I changed mine to a Hill avatar for the GE mcar Apr 2017 #185

I'm sure from your ADL link you were meaning to highlight this tammywammy Apr 2017 #112

Look at the exit polls in the OP BainsBane Apr 2017 #117

That is true. So why is it an article of faith QC Apr 2017 #143

I'm not responsible for media memes BainsBane Apr 2017 #149

Oh jeese, are we on this again. I guess it's like the change of the season... George II Apr 2017 #128

Thank you! People who have "never-have-figured-that-one-out" in the face of such obvious evidence... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #136

Yes, George, I know what a Celtic cross looks like. QC Apr 2017 #142

"But enough on marginal issues" (LOL) NurseJackie Apr 2017 #146

. George II Apr 2017 #161

If you're that familiar with the Celtic Cross, its surprising that you made that brash "accusation" George II Apr 2017 #154

You are the one who brought up the "marginal issue" mcar Apr 2017 #166

Are you seriously claiming Skinner is providing a white supremacist symbol BainsBane Apr 2017 #181

So what you're saying is that you actually do know synergie Apr 2017 #209

+100000 betsuni Apr 2017 #211

I'd like the answers too mcar Apr 2017 #237

Thank you George! mcar Apr 2017 #164

I think it's pretty sad that some "progressives" synergie Apr 2017 #130

Great info here... thank you. I'd heard prevoiusly... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #141

Still in daily usage, you find it Hindu and Jain temples and Buddhist places of worship etc. synergie Apr 2017 #150

Yep... just saw that. I went back to read some more from the Wiki page ... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #152

Great post! mcar Apr 2017 #167

Great post...I've experienced a similar attack, especially my Hindu relatives.. JHan Apr 2017 #203

It's deeply offensive. synergie Apr 2017 #213

I have some theories about that brand of ignorance... JHan Apr 2017 #217

The post of this thread! NastyRiffraff Apr 2017 #236

You have nothing so you resort to personally Cha Apr 2017 #182

And then tell us to move on mcar Apr 2017 #186

Yeah, they better follow Cha Apr 2017 #187

I await further insult to my mcar Apr 2017 #188

Yes, "priorities".. we have them. Fighting the Cha Apr 2017 #193

K & r. Brilliant truth! N/t bronxiteforever Apr 2017 #78

I love this post but I disagree with what is meant when a Republican (or Independent) refers to Squinch Apr 2017 #80

Yes, I agree with that BainsBane Apr 2017 #83

Well... they know stuff, so of course they're suspect. The Lord never intended us to know stuff. Squinch Apr 2017 #84

They've taken that mission to the executive branch BainsBane Apr 2017 #87

Amen. All we need is the bible. And Vladimir. Squinch Apr 2017 #91

this x 100 JHan Apr 2017 #99

the support for trump and his family proves this JI7 Apr 2017 #145

Ay-yup. Exactly. Squinch Apr 2017 #147

Yes. Liberal elite can be a Conservative's pejorative term for a Liberal "effete" upper crust. MainSt99 Apr 2017 #148

The parties have never been further apart than there are today BainsBane Apr 2017 #153

A few decades ago, but no longer. MainSt99 Apr 2017 #158

How are Democrats moving right? BainsBane Apr 2017 #171

Did you read Hillary's platform? There has never been a more progressive Squinch Apr 2017 #191

It's just a buzzword to him.. Cha Apr 2017 #215

During the election, annual earning of Hillary supporters Blue_true Apr 2017 #126

Except there are far fewer rich people than poor and middle-class BainsBane Apr 2017 #127

Hillary supporters were highly educated and had professional training. Blue_true Apr 2017 #156

Bernie blames the wealth gap on the Liberal Elite. MainSt99 Apr 2017 #172

Definition number five BainsBane Apr 2017 #174

Bernie - Liberal elites are the reason Democrats lost power MainSt99 Apr 2017 #183

Only the exit poll data shows he is wrong BainsBane Apr 2017 #184

Isn't it time you stopped jousting at windmills? MainSt99 Apr 2017 #201

We've had five separate definitions in this thread, at least BainsBane Apr 2017 #221

You don care if it's true? BainsBane Apr 2017 #222

Bernie should be more careful not to use terms that Republicans use to divide Democrats Squinch Apr 2017 #190

BS is wrong and divisive in his comment on Friday.. Cha Apr 2017 #206

If Bernie was so concerned about "liberal elites", he should've put a muzzle on $usan $arandon.... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2017 #220

I'm sure the people in pic three melman Apr 2017 #194

It was with an article talking about how more immigrants are applying for US citizenship BainsBane Apr 2017 #196

Here BainsBane Apr 2017 #197

The "liberal elite" Jamaal510 Apr 2017 #200

Yep, and they had no choice but to demonize us that way. JHan Apr 2017 #202

I'm thrilled that the liberal elite are in the Democratic Party. OilemFirchen Apr 2017 #204

If your goal is to stop using that language then you need a new title sharedvalues Apr 2017 #205

The OP has made the case how wrong it is to call Cha Apr 2017 #207

Lakoff: first lesson. Don't repeat words that are wrong. sharedvalues Apr 2017 #208

Wrong and Divisive.. yes I know Lakoff. Doesn't change Cha Apr 2017 #210

Yes the case is good sharedvalues Apr 2017 #212

K&R betsuni Apr 2017 #216

Why are we at war with the liberal elite today? herding cats Apr 2017 #219

As President Obama said in his last press conference... Donkees Apr 2017 #225

While the party should campaign BainsBane Apr 2017 #226

Believing the worst about another group but the best of one's own group IronLionZion Apr 2017 #230

I hate to use this phrase but, in a way, they hate us for our freedoms. randome Apr 2017 #232

They think we want big government to hire people who have no real skills IronLionZion Apr 2017 #234

True BainsBane Aug 2017 #259

Atherton, CA: One of the richest (if not THE richest) communities in America. YoungDemCA Apr 2017 #233

Well, thank god for the non-elitist Republican party BainsBane Apr 2017 #239

Many of the people who voted for Trump are not Republicans in any meaningful sense. YoungDemCA Apr 2017 #240

They voted for him because of his anti immigration, anti Muslim stand JI7 Apr 2017 #256

so what ? Obama won by a huge amont in 2008. someone like Kasich, Rubio, Jeb would have won JI7 Apr 2017 #255

I wish I could rec JustAnotherGen Apr 2017 #251

kick & recommended. William769 Apr 2017 #254