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beam me up scottie

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19. Oh well, my point stands - he's still fighting for his plan.

Tue Apr 4, 2017, 12:37 AM

Apr 2017

Aren't you thrilled others are finally on board with Bernie's plan? It was originally met with quite a bit of resistance and it still might not stand a chance.

But together they're trying to make it happen!

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Bernie Sanders Just Introduced His Free College Tuition Plan [View all] Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2017 OP

Go Bernie! PatrickforO Apr 2017 #1

Bernie! Bernie! Blue_Warrior Apr 2017 #81

Agreed. Thankfully Bernie, Elizabeth and the others are still willing to fight. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #100

You asked and they delivered. Wellstone ruled Apr 2017 #2

If passed, this will also save the VA lots of GI Bill bucks. williesgirl Apr 2017 #3

Yes, but TimeToGo Apr 2017 #4

This is the main reason I see this failing. LuvNewcastle Apr 2017 #5

Good thing I waited.. Permanut Apr 2017 #6

Read the fine print, it's actually Andrew Cuomo's proposal. George II Apr 2017 #7

Nuh uh! Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2017 #8

whatev' George II Apr 2017 #9

From the article: tammywammy Apr 2017 #12

Thanks for reading the article and pointing that out. When I was of college age... George II Apr 2017 #89

See the picture, side by side with a certain senator that day countryjake Apr 2017 #14

He had such a good idea back in 2015 that Dems made it part of our platform! beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #16

This actually sounds more like Hillary's plan. It's not free college, as Bernie synergie Apr 2017 #41

+1000! mcar Apr 2017 #82

Did you see where Cuomo thanked Bernie for bringing this issue to the public's attention? beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #113

Bernie first introduced a bill for free tuition in 2015, I recall lots of folks opposed it back then beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #25

I'm so glad that the Democrats who sponsored the bill did such a good job synergie Apr 2017 #44

It's ALWAYS the hard work of MORE THAN ONE person, isn't it? NurseJackie Apr 2017 #84

At least we agree on that NurseJ LiberalLovinLug Apr 2017 #132

It's nice when I see politicians who are willing to give credit where credit is due... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #135

We agree LiberalLovinLug Apr 2017 #155

LOL NurseJackie Apr 2017 #158

+1000! sheshe2 Apr 2017 #142

How'd that work out? George II Apr 2017 #88

. randome Apr 2017 #90

How's it work out when no one tries at all? beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #96

So where is Vermont's free tuition? R B Garr Apr 2017 #97

Legislators can propose all they want, getting results is another story. George II Apr 2017 #98

Nice edit there to add snark about Vermont to get around R B Garr Apr 2017 #99

Yes, he's excused for not proposing free tuition in Vermont because he's a Senator.... George II Apr 2017 #103

Do you and your crew ever wade into a thread that is covering efforts by Bernie working with Dems LiberalLovinLug Apr 2017 #130

No. n/t QC Apr 2017 #134

Word. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #144

Oh good god. nt JTFrog Apr 2017 #146

"you and your crew"? "your cohorts"? You say that and then talk about "positive energy"? George II Apr 2017 #139

+ infinity! sheshe2 Apr 2017 #143

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #147

Yes! mcar Apr 2017 #149

Sigh LiberalLovinLug Apr 2017 #151

Working against the "real enemy" for decades from within the Democratic Party... George II Apr 2017 #152

Have a nice evening George LiberalLovinLug Apr 2017 #157

We should all be united against fake news, though. R B Garr Apr 2017 #166

I agree LiberalLovinLug Apr 2017 #169

Yes, ironic is the polite word for it. R B Garr Apr 2017 #164

The same as when the try is done in such a poor way that no one synergie Apr 2017 #110

Yes, there is a long unimpressive history of submitting bills without doing any work. For some that seaglass Apr 2017 #122

Same result. George II Apr 2017 #153

Love his leadership! zentrum Apr 2017 #10

Surely you mean "THEIR" leadership? synergie Apr 2017 #46

Interesting take...from the linked article, the sub headline: George II Apr 2017 #104

Absolutely! zentrum Apr 2017 #120

Wow. That sounds like Clinton's plan. BainsBane Apr 2017 #11

Amazing isn't it? SunSeeker Apr 2017 #18

What is curious BainsBane Apr 2017 #20

Indeed. nt SunSeeker Apr 2017 #22

Are you talking about he plan Clinton adopted after the primary or the one she had previously. JCanete Apr 2017 #34

The one that they BOTH worked on. synergie Apr 2017 #47

yes, I agree it's a problem, not helped by people who then want to push back the opposite way, and JCanete Apr 2017 #56

Well, when the rhetroic is false, pushing back is what we as liberals do, is it not? synergie Apr 2017 #59

What win? This Republican Congress will never pass this plan. yardwork Apr 2017 #66

Democrats in agreement? working together? Clinton supporters and Sanders supporters being JCanete Apr 2017 #67

Many of us have been encouraging that all along. yardwork Apr 2017 #72

um, Democrats are not in opposition with each other. synergie Apr 2017 #118

My point about us being on the same side was that there didn't seem to be a divide on JCanete Apr 2017 #125

Preaching is this whole thing where people seem to think that there is only synergie Apr 2017 #148

So you are going to get into it. "Divisiveness was a one way street." Fucking a. I'm not in the mood JCanete Apr 2017 #154

Truth betsuni Apr 2017 #162

No, the original BainsBane Apr 2017 #75

no, I paid attention to the debates. Are you going to tell me she said one thing in them JCanete Apr 2017 #77

Not free for everyone BainsBane Apr 2017 #78

So, Clinton did not have a plan for free college tuition for people under 125,000 until early JCanete Apr 2017 #107

Not true BainsBane Apr 2017 #109

No this is not free for everyone- and it's not going to pass when there are so many more serious bettyellen Apr 2017 #101

It shows a contrast. These are ideas that are already popular or can garner popularity with the JCanete Apr 2017 #105

I think Dems need to be focused and unified right now, not showboating just yet. bettyellen Apr 2017 #106

well they are unified on this aren't they? Its not showboating, in my opinion. It is JCanete Apr 2017 #127

To me the approach is pretty scatter shot. An emphasis on Russian investigation, fixing the ACA bettyellen Apr 2017 #129

It is, basically. That's actually stated in the linked article. George II Apr 2017 #94

Nope. She started at 85k, and increased to 125k, this one just starts at 125k. synergie Apr 2017 #124

he changed it to be more like HRCs plan? bettyellen Apr 2017 #13

This is similar to what he proposed way back in 2015 and later became part of the Dem platform. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #15

No, he could not have joined the paid speech circuit. He's a Senator. betsuni Apr 2017 #17

Oh well, my point stands - he's still fighting for his plan. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #19

So walk me through this... Capt.Yellowbeard Apr 2017 #23

So we should just stop fighting for what's important when we think we can't win? beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #27

Heck of a walk through! Capt.Yellowbeard Apr 2017 #70

Yes, let's just give up and not propose any legislation for the next two years. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #73

Gotta keep that powder dry! n/t QC Apr 2017 #111

Absolutely! Lawd knows we might need it some day. :) beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #114

There should be tons of it by now. n/t QC Apr 2017 #115

Progressives don't sit around and wait to fight, they keep pushing ahead. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #116

+1 QC Apr 2017 #117

+2! Rhiannon12866 Apr 2017 #165

thanks scottie LiberalLovinLug Apr 2017 #168

President Obama proposed free tuition for Community Colleges... George II Apr 2017 #92

I'm glad Bernie is finally on board with Hillary's plan. nt SunSeeker Apr 2017 #24

Except Bernie introduced a similar bill in 2015 and ran on it in 2016. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #26

How silly. Hillary proposed an income cap college plan. SunSeeker Apr 2017 #28

Was that in 2015? Because again that's when Bernie introduced his bill. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #29

No, the 2015 "Free College for All" bill was not this income cap bill. SunSeeker Apr 2017 #30

So you agree he originally came up with the plan and you're onboard now? Good to hear! beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #31

No, I support Hillary's plan and am glad Bernie is finally on board! SunSeeker Apr 2017 #32

Except this is Bernie's bill - and it's the second one he introduced! beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #33

Bernie slapped his name on Hillary's plan. It's Hillary who's being a sport about it. SunSeeker Apr 2017 #35

Both his original 2015 bill and this one are named the 'College For All' Act. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #37

come on, we know Clinton changed her plan to promote free college tuition after the primary as JCanete Apr 2017 #36

Thank you. It's all in the article I cited up-thread. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #38

Come on, Hillary had her plan before the primaries were held. SunSeeker Apr 2017 #39

That plan is from August 2015, Bernie introduced his bill in May. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #40

Bernie's 2015 bill had no income cap, unlike Hillary's 2015 plan. SunSeeker Apr 2017 #42

Really? When did she introduce her plan? The articles I found show it was after May. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #43

I'm glad to see Bernie now supports Hillary's income cap idea for college assistance. nt SunSeeker Apr 2017 #45

yes and that she came around on free college tuition. they both moved. That's great! Its good! JCanete Apr 2017 #55

And if we bother to read both plans, we realize that Bernie embraced her ideas synergie Apr 2017 #57

I agree with you. I quibble on the point about Clinton and why she used a Trump example, because JCanete Apr 2017 #58

She also used Chelsea to make that point. synergie Apr 2017 #61

I think you seem a little confused about what Bernie's bill actually was in 2015. synergie Apr 2017 #54

wait, after what we were just talking about, why did you write this this way? Given that free JCanete Apr 2017 #62

It's in the article. She did have free tuition in her plan, but for synergie Apr 2017 #63

I'm missing that in the article. She wanted tuition commensurate with what families could afford, JCanete Apr 2017 #65

It's in the NYtimes one. synergie Apr 2017 #68

that isn't what I mean for sure. of course Sanders didn't invent the idea, any more than he JCanete Apr 2017 #69

You might want to take a look at some of the posts on this page, including the one synergie Apr 2017 #112

Points to you, they didn't evolve on the issue. Not sure that was that important. JCanete Apr 2017 #123

I said all along that divisive fiction is gting pushback. synergie Apr 2017 #128

Well, to quibble. I pointed out how you front-loaded your post. That isn't cherry picking if JCanete Apr 2017 #131

Props to Bernie for working with the party BainsBane Apr 2017 #102

props to your post. For real. nt JCanete Apr 2017 #126

No, your point doesn't still stand because it's R B Garr Apr 2017 #51

+10000 betsuni Apr 2017 #60

She did indeed take his ideas and added in essential portions synergie Apr 2017 #48

Hilary's policy chops helped Bernie's idea very well, I see. nt fun n serious Apr 2017 #21

Visionaries need people who know how to actually acheive their goals and ideas. synergie Apr 2017 #49

This Kahuna7 Apr 2017 #71

One step is how it actually happens. Saying it can't happen but some step can happen is how JCanete Apr 2017 #156

The policy that enacts a vague idea is not a step, it's literally how a thing gets synergie Apr 2017 #159

I think most people believe every step in the right direction is a good thing. JCanete Apr 2017 #163

Here's video of Bernie, Elizabeth, Pramila and others introducing the bill: beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #50

Strange that he's not giving Flynn, Trump and Sessions the kind of treatment he gave Barack. ucrdem Apr 2017 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author QC Apr 2017 #136

Yeah, he's been really soft on those guys. QC Apr 2017 #137

WELL DONE, SIR! beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #140

Thank ye kindly. ma'am. n/t QC Apr 2017 #141

You might say that. Here's what the first link eventually clicks to: ucrdem Apr 2017 #160

Alas... Mike Nelson Apr 2017 #53

What a waste of time and effort Tribalceltic Apr 2017 #64

Well, Tribalceltic.... democrank Apr 2017 #74

Don't be so shortsighted and foolish. Blue_Warrior Apr 2017 #80

You would like to be as "smart" as the Republicans? Tribalceltic Apr 2017 #85

Yeah, the repigs have been wiped out the last eight years. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2017 #161

And Republicans, en masse, fell to the floor in gales of laughter. Vinca Apr 2017 #76

Still dont understand how this would work MichMan Apr 2017 #79

Exactly. My kids are attending junior college TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2017 #119

It's a good question. I'm not sure at this state that it regulates prices, but it could and should, JCanete Apr 2017 #167

Way to go Bernie! MuseRider Apr 2017 #83

Oh, yeah, it's that time of year again. randome Apr 2017 #86

We're either LWolf Apr 2017 #87

Yep, not his plan... tallahasseedem Apr 2017 #91

In Denmark, college is not only free -- all students get a STIPEND to attend! mainer Apr 2017 #93

What percentage of the population goes to college? brooklynite Apr 2017 #95

Ding. Ding. Ding! TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2017 #121

Love that Bernie is still here fighting for us! RandiFan1290 Apr 2017 #108

Sure hope that was not a swipe at Obama or Hillary who are no longer in office. sheshe2 Apr 2017 #145

Umm, Bernie just published a book mcar Apr 2017 #150

Here's an important point we should be sure not to miss... QC Apr 2017 #133

Thank you Bernie!! Arazi Apr 2017 #138