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In reply to the discussion: Moore and Krugman piss on the ACA decision [View all]stupidicus
(2,570 posts)121. wrong
it's not cool to you, but who cares?
I don't, because the issue it addressed is far bigger than some obscure poster that thinks my use of a mischaracterization had some kinda evil intent, instead of its use as an object lesson of sorts as hyperbole to bring attention to it.
Furthermore,
1. as any honest and reasonable deconstruction of my commentary would show, I'm in complete agreement with them. BY all means, show me otherwise. I would have thought that alone along with the question that followed my quotes, as well as my commentary, that it would be self-evident, and particularly after this. To think otherwise would be the same as "thinking" that I charged myself with "pissing" on the decision too.
Acknowledgement of and complaints about the flaws of the ACA are as important as its human misery-relieving benefits, because that's the path to providing more.
Keep pissing Mike and Paul.
2. I don't care what you "think", what I read was something very narrow and specific, to paraphrase or perhaps quote "some people just aren't happy unless they are unhappy" directed in a top post at those dissing components of the ACA in the context of the decision, meaning what but they're masochists or suffering some kinda mental malady. Does that read like a simple "difference of opinion" to you? To me it reads like deliberate insulting designed to achieve only one end goal, although some aren't happy unless they're trying to make others miserable.
3. In my meager experiences around here, if you make a post critical of BHO and/or the dems without qualifying it with how much you just love the hell outta them anyway (M&Ks saving grace no doubt with the ACA), what do you get in response? I've read the "they're only criticizing the Kill list, etc, because they wanna dampen enthusiasm, cause BHO to lose, etc literally dozens and dozens of times here in my short time here posting. SUre, no one can have legitimate and defensible moral, legal, etc complaints about that or anything else, it always has to be something nefarious, and of course, they are all too stupid to be aware of the alternative in Romney, etc. Difference of opinion my ass -- that ends when the insults start flying, whether in the form of direct name-calling, or those of like kind to be found in innuendo of 25 words or less. The message is still the same, it's just that the direct name-calling is less if not entirely indefensible, and punished with far higher frequency, and is therefore avoided.
4. Whether they did or didn't "piss" on the ACA decision is a matter of opinion (despite the ease or lack of it one would have in defending that pov, which is a courtesy I've yet to see outta the "purists"
and if I could take a poll on the matter...
You don't seem to think a problem of this kind exists, so we can just drop it here, and spare me the further insults of insisting that you know what I meant and intended, and what I've experienced/observed while here. The only thing I meant, was to point out the hypocrisy of an alleged "few" DUers (despite there being dozens as I recall, that dittoed the message in the aforementioned Top POst alone), with the intended purpose of making the case that "pissing", if that is taken to mean ANY criticism whether qualified or not with whatever, is a good thing, if it is supported by the "facts", regardless of the subject matter criticized. Most here criticize things from BHO and/or the dems because they want to make them better, not to cause their defeat against our shared enemy, but if it makes you sleep better to think it's just a few that forget that, and that it has no negative impact for our cause for them to claim otherwise like in the case cited, then apparently you think such conduct unites, and doesn't divide as it surely does.
Let's just hope this doesn't result in being the proverbial straw that breaks their voting backs, no, given the level of disenchantment and disillusionment they must already have to be so focused on critiques as opposed to the praise our "purist" insist must always be in evidence, and attempt to enforce in the manner described. That's my concern, not whether some DU "moran" tries to impose anything on me.
And this isn't the only place I see this happening
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There's nothing "Socialist" about having to tithe to insurance corporations
kenny blankenship
Jun 2012
#3
99.99% of the ACA is good. But they both singled out the individual mandate as the flaw in the law.
Zalatix
Jun 2012
#25
I have been posting criticism not of the entire ACA, but rather the individual mandate.
Zalatix
Jun 2012
#53
The mandate is not the 1% way. It is a mandate in context with a MLR on the premium dollar that cuts
patrice
Jul 2012
#106
I don't want the ACA to fail. I am hoping the new consumer tools work as intended.
Zalatix
Jul 2012
#120
Me too. And, yes, we shouldn't underestimate the difficulty of the struggle, but this is it. What
patrice
Jul 2012
#122
The Constitutionality of the mandate is ground to stand on for the constitutionality of Single Payer
patrice
Jul 2012
#101
They both dissed the individual mandate. Most of the DU supports the mandate. VEHEMENTLY.
Zalatix
Jun 2012
#8
No. What he's saying is that it's not the best way to cover people, but you need to have it
boxman15
Jun 2012
#32
What the hell else do you think he is referring to besides the individual mandate?
Zalatix
Jun 2012
#26
Everyone agrees about that. The REAL questions are about how to get there with a system that
patrice
Jul 2012
#109
Theoretically, moving the cost of health care off of employers, under certain circumstances
Zalatix
Jul 2012
#119
Dealing with the Tax Code could also result in NEW employers, entrepreneurs, and some of those might
patrice
Jul 2012
#123
That's exactly how I feel. Now, it's a lot easier to amend the legislation to improve it.
Hoyt
Jun 2012
#29
"Only damned way the R's would let it pass." - not a single republican voted for the bill.
PoliticAverse
Jul 2012
#127
If you can't see that the bill is seriously flawed, then you're looking at it
Lydia Leftcoast
Jun 2012
#35
there's a huge difference b/w criticizing the ACA and "piss[ing] on the ACA decision"
fishwax
Jun 2012
#36
So correctly pointing out what is wrong with ACA is pissing on the SCOTUS decision
Chisox08
Jun 2012
#40
Ha! Ha! You're pretty uh. . . un-informed yourself. You have NO idea how qualified The Magistrate is
patrice
Jul 2012
#112
You Know, Sir, It Does Not Bother Me To Keep This Idiocy Up And Current
The Magistrate
Jul 2012
#141
but he said; But it’s still a big step toward a better—and by that I mean morally better — society.
dionysus
Jun 2012
#62
You feel good about saying that Michael Moore and Paul Krugman PISS on this decision,
elleng
Jul 2012
#79
Erm, I am a huge mandate supporter here and I've been saying the exact same thing.
joshcryer
Jul 2012
#81