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ucrdem

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85. Well, that what they reported, but I don't think it's so.

Sat Apr 8, 2017, 05:19 AM

Apr 2017

Trump wining each of those three states by less than 1% after never beating Clinton in the run-ups (per RCP aggregates) was suspicious enough but the sh#t they kicked up when Stein tried to get recounts was the smoking gun. Trump appears to have stolen votes from Stein too which was probably a factor in her deciding to throw down. The official numbers are as artfully arranged as the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel, no doubt to inspire hostility at Stein, whom I imagine the Houston guys hate as much or more than Hillary. But the real harm was done in the primary fight, which inflicted enough damage to make the prestidigitation look real.

RCP Michigan: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/mi/michigan_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-6008.html
RCP PA:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/pa/pennsylvania_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-5964.html
RCP WI:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/wi/wisconsin_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-5976.html

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Why do I hate Greens? Here's why [View all] Recursion Apr 2017 OP

Third party voters were the final nail. Comey/FBI, media's false equivalency, and still_one Apr 2017 #1

DISTURBING NUMBERS!..Jill Stein, Ralph Nader.. F***them and the idiots who supported them. N/T Upthevibe Apr 2017 #8

This x 100000 we can do it Apr 2017 #52

Greens have been the enemy since 2000 Gman Apr 2017 #2

+1 brettdale Apr 2017 #3

Greens, write-ins and other ratfuckers BainsBane Apr 2017 #4

They must be very happy right now over at JPR. William769 Apr 2017 #24

Jill Stein is also an anti-vaxx asshole. Archae Apr 2017 #5

Oh, and she's the worst kind of anti-vax: she knows better Recursion Apr 2017 #7

They only seem to show up during Presidential elections SirBrockington Apr 2017 #6

Oh, I've seen them sway governor races and even state level congressional seats. herding cats Apr 2017 #16

As of last November they claim about 140 office holders in 17 states... JHB Apr 2017 #40

Or Russia MFM008 Apr 2017 #61

What's weirder (I just thought of this) Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2017 #73

But...but... SaschaHM Apr 2017 #9

Yep. The 2016 Democratic platform was literally the most progressive in US history Recursion Apr 2017 #11

What pisses me off is they run against the Dems, constantly bash us but never the repugs brush Apr 2017 #53

I hate the two party system. milestogo Apr 2017 #10

I hate the fact that I don't captain a tall ship Recursion Apr 2017 #15

Have you tried applying for a job as a tall ship captain? milestogo Apr 2017 #17

I'm certified as a deckhand and pilot for tall ships Recursion Apr 2017 #58

Too bad.. the 3rd party fucked it up and we got Cha Apr 2017 #18

Preach!! Docreed2003 Apr 2017 #78

I hate any party systems MyNameGoesHere Apr 2017 #35

Sounds great to me. n/t Zing Zing Zingbah Apr 2017 #77

I hate vanity voters and the shit they have brought us. we can do it Apr 2017 #54

So what? Bradical79 Apr 2017 #71

the Greens purpose is mostly to defeat Democrats and help Republicans JI7 Apr 2017 #12

Getting Republicans Elected Every November Recursion Apr 2017 #13

+100,000... PoiBoy Apr 2017 #19

Sure radical noodle Apr 2017 #20

That's exactly it MFM008 Apr 2017 #62

I am Green because I didn't like Bill Clinton and the DLC noiretextatique Apr 2017 #69

Excellent post n/t leftstreet Apr 2017 #72

GOP supported Rev. Al Sharp back when he ran for the Democratic applegrove Apr 2017 #14

K & R SunSeeker Apr 2017 #21

Keep in mind Jill Stein was the first and only significant figure to challenge the results. tenorly Apr 2017 #22

Not true! She did NOT do it to help shift the vote to its rightful winner. She did it to make money. pnwmom Apr 2017 #29

She pocketed that money. joshcryer Apr 2017 #34

No, she did it to make money, and she did obamanut2012 Apr 2017 #37

And she did it with the stated goal of shifting the result to its rightful winner: Hillary. SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2017 #66

And Gary Johnson pulled far more votes than stein in all those states. So what? PaulaFarrell Apr 2017 #23

Greens are always demonizing democrats as if there are no republicans who are preventing JI7 Apr 2017 #25

BULL. You're not seeing what's right in front of you. The fucking LIAR, pawn Cha Apr 2017 #27

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #30

BULL.. deny it all you want. Reality will Not be Denied. Cha Apr 2017 #31

Hillary lost MI by .3%, Jill Stein received 1% of the vote. Similar results still_one Apr 2017 #55

the Gary Johnson voters I know crazycatlady Apr 2017 #65

Ditto! Tarheel_Dem Apr 2017 #26

It's wasted effort to hate them Warpy Apr 2017 #28

A look at the increase number of votes for third party in the 2016 over 2008 and 2012 undermines boston bean Apr 2017 #33

It's not about votes belonging to anyone kcr Apr 2017 #83

It's exactly about that Warpy Apr 2017 #90

Nope, thats a copout argument. No one thinks someone elses vote belongs to them. stevenleser Apr 2017 #91

You seem to, else you wouldn't be expressing such fury at the Greens Warpy Apr 2017 #94

Nope. Its very simple. We all make choices like this in our lives all the time. This is nothing stevenleser Apr 2017 #95

You didn't think like that in your late teens Warpy Apr 2017 #96

K&R betsuni Apr 2017 #32

Greens were told they were irrelevant RandiFan1290 Apr 2017 #36

No, they weren't oberliner Apr 2017 #84

Nice try RandiFan1290 Apr 2017 #87

Hillary Clinton Takes Aim at Voters Drifting Toward Third Party oberliner Apr 2017 #88

She did but ironically, they didn't actually give enough of a shot about the environment bettyellen Apr 2017 #108

I advise saving most of the hate for the hundred million people... Orsino Apr 2017 #38

It's possible to do both. DanTex Apr 2017 #42

I'm not sure I agree. Orsino Apr 2017 #43

This isn't a hard science, there isn't hard proof of anything. DanTex Apr 2017 #44

There would however, be evidence... LanternWaste Apr 2017 #46

There are plenty of quotes from Stein and Nader indicating their preference DanTex Apr 2017 #50

They did vote for Trump BainsBane Apr 2017 #49

It feels the same to those of us who are engaged... Orsino Apr 2017 #63

How about all the people who stayed home? FDRsGhost Apr 2017 #39

Voter disenfranchisement BainsBane Apr 2017 #51

low voter turnout hurt clinton noiretextatique Apr 2017 #68

Yup I agree FDRsGhost Apr 2017 #70

On another thread I explained my experience with the polls during a past election Jake Stern Apr 2017 #107

Did u ever have Dinner with someone u don't like?? dembotoz Apr 2017 #41

Who is "u?" MineralMan Apr 2017 #45

i do many posts from my phone or tablet dembotoz Apr 2017 #67

Just sayin' WillowTree Apr 2017 #97

U r bright figure it out dembotoz Apr 2017 #104

If we become less centrist we pick up the Green vote. jalan48 Apr 2017 #47

And we lose more centrists than we gain greens. That's the problem (nt) Recursion Apr 2017 #48

Actually, we've been doing the centrist thing for decades. jalan48 Apr 2017 #80

Huh? It is working. What are you talking about? Recursion Apr 2017 #82

Sorry-it's time to get away from the "Reagan Democrats" thing. jalan48 Apr 2017 #89

No, its time to stop imagining that 1968-1988 didnt happen and that things didnt change stevenleser Apr 2017 #93

And here we are today. Things are better now than years ago? jalan48 Apr 2017 #99

Most definitely. nt stevenleser Apr 2017 #100

LOL-The best of all possible worlds Candide. jalan48 Apr 2017 #102

Oh God yes Recursion Apr 2017 #106

So centrists are a much more unreliable voting block, and yet you hate thre Greens more. redgreenandblue Apr 2017 #105

Reality is exactly the opposite of what you claim and its easy to prove it. Before Bill Clinton and stevenleser Apr 2017 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author ymetca Apr 2017 #56

I am a Green, and I voted for Clinton noiretextatique Apr 2017 #57

Stein and the greenies gave us Trump Gothmog Apr 2017 #59

I love collards. Mustard too :) Bonx Apr 2017 #60

She is personally responsible for the belief that our voting system is solid. NCTraveler Apr 2017 #64

It's a fraud political party Bradical79 Apr 2017 #74

I recently rejoined the Democratic Party now that we have a criminal in the White House causing... Portland_Anni Apr 2017 #75

"Jill, meet Mike; Mike this is Jill ..." PsychoBabble Apr 2017 #76

This needs to be an issue coming into 2020 TSIAS Apr 2017 #79

Nader in 2000, Stein in 2016. VOX Apr 2017 #81

Well, that what they reported, but I don't think it's so. ucrdem Apr 2017 #85

So? Spider Jerusalem Apr 2017 #86

clue: dems are not ENTITLED to all left-of-center votes, and if they expect their competition to TheFrenchRazor Apr 2017 #98

Slightly wouldn't begin to cut it. creeksneakers2 Apr 2017 #103

mmm sauteed swiss chard Kali Apr 2017 #101