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In reply to the discussion: What MIGHT Have Dems Done To Stop GOP On The Fillibuster? (title change) [View all]Demsrule86
(71,526 posts)26. As written there are two Senators for each state...equal suffrage.
As it turns out I was incorrect...you can not change the number of senators even with an amendment because an amendment is forbidden...and equal suffrage is a pretty clear statement.
"On the last business session of the Philadelphia Convention, September 15, 1787, the subject of the amendment process came up again. Connecticut delegate Roger Sherman voiced his fear that the Constitution as proposed would allow three-fourths of the states to take actions that would be fatal to particular states, such as abolishing them altogether or depriving them of their equal suffrage in the Senate. In an effort to prevent that from happening, Sherman made a series of motions. His motion to amend the proposed article to provide that no amendment would become effective until it had been ratified by all of the states failed, with three states voting for it and seven against it. Sherman's next motion, to prohibit any amendment without the consent of the state, that would affect it in "its internal police" or deprive it of its equal suffrage in the Senate, also failed, this time by a vote of eight to three. Sherman persisted. His next motion was drastic: to strike the entire article relating to amendments and thus make the entire Constitution unamendable. Not surprisingly, this motion was also soundly defeated.
Finally, Gouverneur Morris of Pennsylvania made the motion that was to result in another proviso being added to article five of the Constitution. Morris argued that the provision guaranteeing to each state equal suffrage in the Senate should not be subject to amendment. Along with the slave issue, the composition of the Congress had been one of the most divisive issues debated that summer in Philadelphia; a compromise had emerged from seemingly irreconcilable differences. No one wanted to jeopardize what had been accomplished. Madison described what happened: "[T]his motion, being dictated by the circulating murmurs of the small states, was agreed to without debate, no one opposing it, or on the question, saying no."
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What MIGHT Have Dems Done To Stop GOP On The Fillibuster? (title change) [View all]
eniwetok
Apr 2017
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Reform? That NO Judge be ratified by Senators representing a minority of US population
eniwetok
Apr 2017
#38
If we take back both the House and Senate, we can do a lot more than "refuse"...
regnaD kciN
Apr 2017
#52
This mean two for every state it was fought over and is very clear...never happen.
Demsrule86
Apr 2017
#21
clearly the intent was two Senator from every state to give the smaller states some say...so
Demsrule86
Apr 2017
#35
what's the REAL intent of the Senate? Why do you believe those civics lessons?
eniwetok
Apr 2017
#39
The Senate may flip...and we can just change it when we get it back...it is done...and consider
Demsrule86
Apr 2017
#36
First of all the House has to start all money bills, the Senate has advise and consent duty.
CK_John
Apr 2017
#45
Nothing. They're not interested in anything that doesn't capitulate to them right now.
JHB
Apr 2017
#56
"Sure there are problems..." talk about an understatement! This would be a coup, not a "rule change"
tritsofme
Apr 2017
#69
Government, including the Senate, is inherently unfair and non-representative.
Calista241
Apr 2017
#62