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41. Russia cares about Trump's political support

Sun Apr 9, 2017, 01:08 PM

Apr 2017

Because Trump drives a wedge between America and our allies like Germany and NATO.

Weaker NATO and weaker America are good for Putin.

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NSA just lost control of its Top Secret arsenal of digital weapons - Snowden tweet today [View all] Kablooie Apr 2017 OP

Note, they aren't upset because trump is a racist, sexist, and xenophobe, because they knew that still_one Apr 2017 #1

Snowden is Putin's tool on Twitter (sadly) sharedvalues Apr 2017 #88

Like Gucifer, probaly fake. L. Coyote Apr 2017 #2

you think Gucifer is fake? LaydeeBug Apr 2017 #79

We know Snowden's tweets are Russian sharedvalues Apr 2017 #101

Yes, a created persona to mask an identity. L. Coyote Apr 2017 #112

Aaaah, so you think Gucifer is a handle, like L. Coyote or LayDeeBug LaydeeBug Apr 2017 #131

Fuck you, Comrade Snowden! Cryptoad Apr 2017 #3

Just to be clear, Snowden didn't have anything to do with this. Kablooie Apr 2017 #5

Begs the question... Skidmore Apr 2017 #7

exactly nini Apr 2017 #24

Snowden performed valuable service. He was the 4th in a list ofwhisleblowers-the three delisen Apr 2017 #37

"the three who preceded him had their lives ruined" Me. Apr 2017 #54

Snowden didn't do this. He just pointed out who had Warpy Apr 2017 #78

You & I Shall Have To Disagree About Snowden Me. Apr 2017 #80

Yes, he told us the government was snooping on everything we did Warpy Apr 2017 #81

Precisely Me. Apr 2017 #86

Warpy, agree with you often, but we are all known by our friends. Hortensis Apr 2017 #92

What most people want to know jrthin Apr 2017 #130

He did not just release information. He gave it to a couple of journalists he trusted. Kablooie Apr 2017 #100

Can't Say I Believe He Got Rid Of All The Info Me. Apr 2017 #106

Snowden's tweets are Russian disinformation sharedvalues Apr 2017 #85

Indeed shenmue Apr 2017 #102

He didn't reveal one thing anyone who's been paying attention didn't already know nini Apr 2017 #107

He's gleeful about it. He thinks it proves something. randome Apr 2017 #10

No, Putin is pushing this story via Snowden sharedvalues Apr 2017 #89

"The letter is obviously written by someone who's first language is not English marybourg Apr 2017 #4

Or speakers from China, or other countries. n/t woodsprite Apr 2017 #13

anybidy can rite like that if he want Blues Heron Apr 2017 #15

Lol! Yep - could be a dumbass Trump supporter..... kerry-is-my-prez Apr 2017 #83

I was curious about that Nictuku Apr 2017 #105

Some actual information on what was leaked muriel_volestrangler Apr 2017 #6

Traitor Snowden calling the situation a potential "scandal". oasis Apr 2017 #16

"Traitor Snowden" muriel_volestrangler Apr 2017 #20

He's warming himself by the campfires of the enemy as you write. nt oasis Apr 2017 #22

He blew the whistle on surveillance of the American population, and his passport was withdrawn muriel_volestrangler Apr 2017 #23

I'm willing to let the courts decide his fate. oasis Apr 2017 #29

Trying to stay away from courts doesn't make someone a "traitor", does it? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Apr 2017 #38

Refusing to bring your case before a court of law is CLEARLY oasis Apr 2017 #47

Hah. No, it's not. But you weren't calling him 'guilty', you were calling him a 'traitor' muriel_volestrangler Apr 2017 #50

Snowden is guilty of treason. Okay? Clear enough? oasis Apr 2017 #52

If you think the enemies of the US government are the US people, and the world in general, muriel_volestrangler Apr 2017 #62

He's welcome to present such a "defense" to jurors after oasis Apr 2017 #75

Not me tazkcmo Apr 2017 #94

What in hell does being a brown person have to do with it? oasis Apr 2017 #115

Really? tazkcmo Apr 2017 #116

Last I checked, Snowden was a WHITE person. nt oasis Apr 2017 #119

sigh tazkcmo Apr 2017 #129

False. Snowden's Twitter is approved by Russian Intelligence. sharedvalues Apr 2017 #40

I have no idea what German has to do with this muriel_volestrangler Apr 2017 #46

This: guillaumeb Apr 2017 #55

Distraction alert. You're not denying Snowden a tool of Russia. sharedvalues Apr 2017 #57

I was already alert to the distraction. muriel_volestrangler Apr 2017 #60

So you concur Snowden is controlled by Russia now sharedvalues Apr 2017 #84

No, I don't concur with that at all muriel_volestrangler Apr 2017 #96

Wow... 2naSalit Apr 2017 #99

"He's fluent in German" is the new "He had boxes in his garage." Dr. Strange Apr 2017 #128

You left out that he divulged info on our covert international operations also. He's a traitor. brush Apr 2017 #113

Rightnow I reserve the term traitor for Republicans, as for Snowden delisen Apr 2017 #111

Bannon bounced from NSC. NSA digital "secrets" leaked. republicans go golfing. Achilleaze Apr 2017 #8

Not a big Snowden fan . nocalflea Apr 2017 #9

That's interesting but explains why they'd be Trump fans. Kablooie Apr 2017 #18

Russia cares about Trump's political support sharedvalues Apr 2017 #41

Sounds like bullshit to me. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #11

Yup. Snowden is Russian disinformation now sharedvalues Apr 2017 #87

I wonder if he regrets it...I mean was it really worth it? Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #123

Just young and dumb and idealistic I think sharedvalues Apr 2017 #124

I head a CIA guy on MSNBC...talking about how Russia target young people like Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #125

Yup. And now he's a Putin propaganda tool too. sharedvalues Apr 2017 #127

Well theres at least one good thing, more people are are dissatisfied with trump. caroldansen Apr 2017 #12

Didn't that happen last summer? How many times are the NSA going to lose their top secret stuff? Squinch Apr 2017 #14

I think this is more of the cache they hacked along with a password. Kablooie Apr 2017 #17

I think that, like the "emails" they try to find ways to extend the "scandal" by releasing bits and bettyellen Apr 2017 #26

Extending the scandal and getting their names in the paper and an ego bump. I'm so sick of these Squinch Apr 2017 #58

Snowden is a traitor who deserves a traitor's fate. Foamfollower Apr 2017 #19

Has the US government ever engaged in "cyber war"? ronnie624 Apr 2017 #21

I don't know. Do you? MineralMan Apr 2017 #25

You already know the answer, as does anyone with an interest in history. n/t ronnie624 Apr 2017 #28

Your reply is short on supporting information, I'm afraid. MineralMan Apr 2017 #30

I don't need any "supporting information" on this topic. ronnie624 Apr 2017 #33

Ah, the "we deserve this" gambit. I'm not buying what you're selling. bettyellen Apr 2017 #27

Governments engage in clandestine activities, in attempts to promote their agendas. ronnie624 Apr 2017 #32

It's the candidate working with a foreign nation that is the problem. And I bet you knew that but bettyellen Apr 2017 #35

What do you mean by "working with a foreign nation"? n/t ronnie624 Apr 2017 #39

LOL, as if Trump and half his staff aren't in deep w Russia. You're funny! bettyellen Apr 2017 #51

It isn't even clear what your accusation is. ronnie624 Apr 2017 #63

Oh my-it seems you have a lot of catching up to do, LOL. bettyellen Apr 2017 #67

I understand. ronnie624 Apr 2017 #70

Vague nonsense. Clearly state what you think is happening or put a sock in it. bettyellen Apr 2017 #71

I tend to point out American chauvinism and hypocrisy when I see it. ronnie624 Apr 2017 #90

Except you really aren't pointing to anything specific that Dems have done while broadbrushing them bettyellen Apr 2017 #95

Any political system that depends on private monetary donations ronnie624 Apr 2017 #98

And republicans are making sure it stays that way by stacking the USSC .... bettyellen Apr 2017 #108

Elections in other countries are none of our business, ronnie624 Apr 2017 #114

Libertarian isolationist bullshit. Works well in small homogeneous rural states I guess.... bettyellen Apr 2017 #117

I'm for cooperative engagement with other countries, not coersion and force. ronnie624 Apr 2017 #121

You share the libertarian isolationist crap about ignoring human rights abuses then... bettyellen Apr 2017 #122

You apparently don't understand the definitions of the words you use. ronnie624 Apr 2017 #126

No, I understand you want to pretend Dems are as bad as the GOP when it comes to bettyellen Apr 2017 #132

This message was self-deleted by its author ronnie624 Apr 2017 #91

Often called "Whataboutism" sharedvalues Apr 2017 #43

No. Foamfollower Apr 2017 #31

There is a very rich historical record on this issue. ronnie624 Apr 2017 #34

Asserting it is so is not PROVING it is so. Foamfollower Apr 2017 #45

Lol. n/t ronnie624 Apr 2017 #49

Whataboutism! sharedvalues Apr 2017 #42

That's obviously a made-up term for avoiding the facts of a given issue. n/t ronnie624 Apr 2017 #48

naw it's based on the Tu quoque fallacy, which is real. JHan Apr 2017 #53

It's purpose is to enable an avoidance of cognitive conflict. ronnie624 Apr 2017 #59

that's a good word - avoidance, because whataboutism is precisely that.. JHan Apr 2017 #61

So instead of talking about made-up words, ronnie624 Apr 2017 #65

More deflection. Deflection is at the core of "Whataboutism" emulatorloo Apr 2017 #68

what, that nations do bad things? JHan Apr 2017 #74

We're only responsible for the conduct of our own government. ronnie624 Apr 2017 #93

That's not the way the world has worked... JHan Apr 2017 #97

If only it was the way you fantasize it to be. ronnie624 Apr 2017 #103

No one is being denialist... JHan Apr 2017 #104

I knew it- no foreign policy is good foreign policy, LOL. That's what some people rationalize when bettyellen Apr 2017 #109

So if we're not coercing or forcing our will on other countries, ronnie624 Apr 2017 #118

You think making alliances and treaties are always bad- it's a childish world view. bettyellen Apr 2017 #120

Propagandists love whataboutism! sharedvalues Apr 2017 #56

Look, it is totally fine that you don't give a shit about Putin's interference in the 2016 election emulatorloo Apr 2017 #66

It's basically a symptom of CDS. This "so what" about collusion between Trump and Russia.... bettyellen Apr 2017 #69

yep. Or just gullibility. Some naively believe Putin's a leftist. Or something emulatorloo Apr 2017 #72

Every time I see this now and I look into post history - they all pushed the HHate propaganda ... bettyellen Apr 2017 #76

Yes, Russian intelligence knew their audience and targeted the message perfectly emulatorloo Apr 2017 #77

And now they say we don't even have a right to speak about what other nations do..... bettyellen Apr 2017 #110

Snowden's tweets are written by Russian Intelligence sharedvalues Apr 2017 #36

Yes I believe you're right about this FakeNoose Apr 2017 #73

Written by someone whose first language isn't English. NastyRiffraff Apr 2017 #44

Daily Beast has an interesting article about this salin Apr 2017 #64

Eddie better watch it, he is a half step away from Dawson Leery Apr 2017 #82