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JHB

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64. All I can say is that you don't understand the mindset of what we are up against.

Sun Apr 9, 2017, 11:22 PM

Apr 2017

Everything you are talking about is too far down the line. Their base didn't care about it. They voted for Trump to get a conservative on the supreme court, and nothing -- NOTHING -- was going to stop that. But capitulation to it would have damaged the Democrats, who already have a problem as being seen (with cause) as not being willing to fight.

The Republicans will only care about not having a majority when they've lost the one they have.

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What MIGHT Have Dems Done To Stop GOP On The Fillibuster? (title change) [View all] eniwetok Apr 2017 OP

None FBaggins Apr 2017 #1

All my ideas end up with me being carried away in hand cuffs. LOL Lib Apr 2017 #2

I want the 60 vote filibuster vlyons Apr 2017 #3

Be sure and leave some roses on my grave when that happens . . . hatrack Apr 2017 #5

It can't happen.... the GOP has become too rabid eniwetok Apr 2017 #7

the filibuster is a dual edged sword... eniwetok Apr 2017 #9

How do you propose to get to that result? onenote Apr 2017 #10

two ways to reform an antidemocratic, virtually reformproof system eniwetok Apr 2017 #12

Logically, seeing as the Dems have no leverage HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #4

Reid put it in motion with his 2013 nuke HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author eniwetok Apr 2017 #8

How did Schumer win anything? eniwetok Apr 2017 #13

Logically HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #14

So you said in your first post... eniwetok Apr 2017 #15

There was never a way to stop Gorsuch... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #17

So the question becomes why does Schumer want the nuke? HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #19

The base demanded it first of all Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #22

Base wanting the nuke is a valid reason for Schumer to support it HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #24

It was about the base and the mid-terms in my opinion. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #25

The GOP plays dirty because control of the courts IS key to their strategy eniwetok Apr 2017 #33

I don' t see your can reform SCOTUS Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #34

Reform? That NO Judge be ratified by Senators representing a minority of US population eniwetok Apr 2017 #38

It just is never going to happen. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #42

it's never going to happen when... eniwetok Apr 2017 #43

The Republicans would love to see CA seceed former9thward Apr 2017 #44

That's what I'm thinking as well n/t SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2017 #46

sure there would... the NATION would not stand for it eniwetok Apr 2017 #50

I think you have an odd definition of "the NATION". former9thward Apr 2017 #66

people are attached to their state and nation eniwetok Apr 2017 #68

If we take back both the House and Senate, we can do a lot more than "refuse"... regnaD kciN Apr 2017 #52

After your post I started MichMary Apr 2017 #67

1 n/t. okieinpain Apr 2017 #61

What plan could work? None is the answer. You all forget Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #18

Walk out of the Senate in protest? mvd Apr 2017 #11

They can't do that...that would be unconstitutional. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #16

depends what suffrage means... eniwetok Apr 2017 #20

This mean two for every state it was fought over and is very clear...never happen. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #21

You're EVADING the question eniwetok Apr 2017 #23

As written there are two Senators for each state...equal suffrage. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #26

RED HERRING ALERT!! eniwetok Apr 2017 #28

I ask AGAIN... what is suffrage? eniwetok Apr 2017 #31

clearly the intent was two Senator from every state to give the smaller states some say...so Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #35

EVASION ALERT!!! And please spare us the civics lessons eniwetok Apr 2017 #37

No, the Senate can't change the rules SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2017 #40

let them sue eniwetok Apr 2017 #41

what's the REAL intent of the Senate? Why do you believe those civics lessons? eniwetok Apr 2017 #39

You could make states virtual instead of physical HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #27

there's no way to make the EC fair since it has antidemocratic intent eniwetok Apr 2017 #51

None. McCamy Taylor Apr 2017 #29

The Senate may flip...and we can just change it when we get it back...it is done...and consider Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #36

None oberliner Apr 2017 #30

sure at THIS point eniwetok Apr 2017 #32

First of all the House has to start all money bills, the Senate has advise and consent duty. CK_John Apr 2017 #45

translation: you've bought into antidemocratic government eniwetok Apr 2017 #47

I'd be interested in seeing where SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2017 #48

do the math... eniwetok Apr 2017 #49

If you look at the estimated population numbers from 2016 SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2017 #53

as I said... I split the populations of the split states.... eniwetok Apr 2017 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author Calista241 Apr 2017 #59

Force them to get up and start talking Warpy Apr 2017 #54

The Only Thing Left to Do Leith Apr 2017 #55

No... the REAL message must be that the GOP represents THE MINORITY eniwetok Apr 2017 #58

Nothing. They're not interested in anything that doesn't capitulate to them right now. JHB Apr 2017 #56

it's not hot air if the threat is existential eniwetok Apr 2017 #60

All I can say is that you don't understand the mindset of what we are up against. JHB Apr 2017 #64

the issue here is NOT the GOP base... BUT THE DEMOCRATIC BASE eniwetok Apr 2017 #65

"Sure there are problems..." talk about an understatement! This would be a coup, not a "rule change" tritsofme Apr 2017 #69

the Constitution was a coup! eniwetok Apr 2017 #70

Government, including the Senate, is inherently unfair and non-representative. Calista241 Apr 2017 #62

can't have it both ways... eniwetok Apr 2017 #63