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Sheepshank

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84. I don't know if the strategy has ever, for any Dem Policy...

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 11:44 AM

Jul 2012

under Obama, been to change RW minds.....necessarily.

You are absolutley correct, that mind changing from those on the right happens too rarely and in too few numbers to be reliable source for Obama votes. IMHO, the hammering helps to solidify or swing back the stance of those that have been almost convinced by the RIGHT regarding death panels and other such malarky.

The hammering of lies regarding health care, serves to put a black mark or at least a question mark on the all other talking points, if enough of those talking points are proven to be so obvious in their dishonesty. Encouraging a little questioning, a little research is all it takes. There are a lot of indie voters out there that, that truly don't have all the info and would be surprised at the lies perpetuation simply because the Right has been allowed to perpetuate and keep them alive. For them, the hammering would be very useful.

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For once, focus your bloodlust on Republicans --instead of the DLC/Firebaggers/ANYONE WITHOUT AN (R) [View all] kpete Jul 2012 OP

Since you said "please". Wait Wut Jul 2012 #1

Because he said please. Zalatix Jul 2012 #63

I love this rant. OKNancy Jul 2012 #2

K & R. n/t pnwmom Jul 2012 #3

THE ONLY FOCUS NOW SHOULD BE THE ECONOMY. russspeakeasy Jul 2012 #4

This right and good, because it puts LABOR at least near the cat-bird-seat . . . patrice Jul 2012 #8

We NEEEEED to discover & value what we really do share, more than what our differences are patrice Jul 2012 #5

I'm already doing what has been asked. TexasTowelie Jul 2012 #6

Personally, I think this is the wrong strategy... kentuck Jul 2012 #7

The gut level of what we are dealing with does not necessarily respond to nice. There are ways of patrice Jul 2012 #10

My point is: kentuck Jul 2012 #15

"Nice" loses. Chan790 Jul 2012 #23

When you wrestle with a pig, you get dirty.... kentuck Jul 2012 #25

Sorry but no. kenfrequed Jul 2012 #105

if you were in a foxhole with a freeper and the corporatists were coming... chknltl Jul 2012 #37

You always "shoot" an ally you can't trust. Chan790 Jul 2012 #43

advocating for a civil war... chknltl Jul 2012 #49

If you're advocating that we need be allies with conservatives, you're with the corporatists... Chan790 Jul 2012 #50

There is one enemy where You would make two chknltl Jul 2012 #55

Why not "keep it simple" and VOTE A STRAIGHT DEMOCRATIC BALLOT? xtraxritical Jul 2012 #97

i do, have done so since i turned 18. chknltl Jul 2012 #111

Wish I could rec this post 1000 times. woo me with science Jul 2012 #132

hey there woo me... chknltl Jul 2012 #133

Uhm this is absurd. kenfrequed Jul 2012 #106

Hmm freepers are not citzens of America? chknltl Jul 2012 #120

Right...whatever kenfrequed Jul 2012 #121

you speak of politicians, I speak of citizenry. chknltl Jul 2012 #130

Rhetoric of violence, anyone? PavePusher Jul 2012 #89

2 points, though you can probably guess both of them. Chan790 Jul 2012 #96

"Your mealy pacifism..." WTF? PavePusher Jul 2012 #98

Hmm. Chan790 Jul 2012 #116

Precisely kenfrequed Jul 2012 #108

Here's a thought Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #36

What gets Democrats to The Polls? bvar22 Jul 2012 #44

Good post. People need to pay attention. newthinking Jul 2012 #65

And what keeps them at home is bashing their President. SunSeeker Jul 2012 #115

Why can't we do both? silverweb Jul 2012 #16

Yes. kentuck Jul 2012 #19

... silverweb Jul 2012 #47

It's not the wrong strategy, it's just HARD TO FOLLOW. Speaking for myself. Zalatix Jul 2012 #64

I don't know if the strategy has ever, for any Dem Policy... Sheepshank Jul 2012 #84

You're right, that's what K. Rove et. al. do - plot and scheme how to float xtraxritical Jul 2012 #101

Nah Marrah_G Jul 2012 #9

Nobody wants you to change your views. We are trying to figure out how each of us can USE our own patrice Jul 2012 #12

Except the zero sum thinking is in the OP and projected at people who don't agree with him. EFerrari Jul 2012 #62

What is amazing is over and over the strategy causes lost opportunity newthinking Jul 2012 #66

I don't know if this guy qualifies as leadership but I would like to submit this EFerrari Jul 2012 #68

K&R! This is so true. Treat a win as a win and stop the incessant kvetching BlueCaliDem Jul 2012 #11

Did John send a copy to Ben Nelson, too? How about Max Baucus? Poll_Blind Jul 2012 #13

Keep pretending that we are making "incremental steps." woo me with science Jul 2012 #14

+100000! n/t RufusTFirefly Jul 2012 #17

Thanks for the demonstration. boppers Jul 2012 #26

It's all you have. nt woo me with science Jul 2012 #30

If I could build a giant puppet, and join a drumming circle, I'm sure I could make more change. boppers Jul 2012 #48

I don't think anyone is asking you to do that. rudycantfail Jul 2012 #112

Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! OnyxCollie Jul 2012 #51

Invisible rec for this post. progressoid Jul 2012 #61

+1,000,000 (n/t) a2liberal Jul 2012 #73

..he said, proving the point of the OP... dionysus Jul 2012 #75

It would almost be funny in it's confirmation of the OP Sheepshank Jul 2012 #85

+100000000 nt Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #131

I'm pure! Auntie Bush Jul 2012 #18

The DLC is why the 1996 election was one of the lowest turnouts ever Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #38

"All of these kids are from planned pregnancies!" gtar100 Jul 2012 #60

This is some rant! treestar Jul 2012 #20

Good rant. DevonRex Jul 2012 #21

We can't do it Flatpicker Jul 2012 #22

no thanks. iamthebandfanman Jul 2012 #24

I prefer to target conservatives DJ13 Jul 2012 #27

exactly. iamthebandfanman Jul 2012 #46

Identity politics is for neophytes. OnyxCollie Jul 2012 #52

Politics before good government? That's the republican way. FreeBC Jul 2012 #28

Excellent read, and damned excellent advice. Thanks for posting. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #29

What did we "WIN" ? bvar22 Jul 2012 #31

This thread was directed at you... and you still dont get it scheming daemons Jul 2012 #34

A WHOLE Thread? bvar22 Jul 2012 #40

If you're on medicare (if voting dem 46 years, sounds like you are), no more "donut hole" SunSeeker Jul 2012 #58

So in order to .... bvar22 Jul 2012 #95

The tax penalty runs around $90/year & no enforcement mechanism besides deduction from tax refunds. SunSeeker Jul 2012 #107

My criticisms are FAR from anything YOU will find on Fox news, and you know it. bvar22 Jul 2012 #113

I didn't say you were a wing-nut, just that you [your post] sounded like it. SunSeeker Jul 2012 #117

Bogus Nonsense to discourage honest discussion and honest evaluation of Party Policy. bvar22 Jul 2012 #118

Comparing the ACA to terrorism is not an "honest discussion." nt SunSeeker Jul 2012 #119

I see you still "got nothin". bvar22 Jul 2012 #122

Saving 45,000 Americans from death each year is not a "minor political victory for a small group." SunSeeker Jul 2012 #123

More Distortions, misdirection, and outright false claims. bvar22 Jul 2012 #124

"Bodily orifice"? No, I pulled it off Google. SunSeeker Jul 2012 #125

Oh well, if you found it on Google, it MUST be true. bvar22 Jul 2012 #127

In concrete terms. What have I "won"? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #39

THIS: Amonester Jul 2012 #56

Hey there fellow dem. chknltl Jul 2012 #67

So, you're a big fan of FDR??? PBass Jul 2012 #70

In case you missed it, further down the thread, PBass Jul 2012 #71

Social Security and Medicare established a firm FOUNDATION. bvar22 Jul 2012 #94

DU rec...nt SidDithers Jul 2012 #32

We need to be able to develop the skill to respond to statements with which JDPriestly Jul 2012 #33

Well, there he goes again hfojvt Jul 2012 #35

That is how it looks on MY radar. bvar22 Jul 2012 #41

+1 TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #45

As a liberal, I am very happy. I like progress, and I like doers, not talkers. PBass Jul 2012 #69

No, Cole was a big Iraq war booster.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #78

In the OP, he said 2006 or 2007 himself hfojvt Jul 2012 #86

Cole is nearly all the way to full metal jacket dirty fucking hippie.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #102

"rich people are not Democrats" hfojvt Jul 2012 #83

John Cole is at this point in his career a DLC water carrier rudycantfail Jul 2012 #114

k&r spanone Jul 2012 #42

This! nt tblue37 Jul 2012 #53

May I ask a simple question? kentuck Jul 2012 #54

Once a control freak, always a control freak. n/t EFerrari Jul 2012 #57

K&R SunSeeker Jul 2012 #59

K&R!!!!! October Jul 2012 #72

Just remember; (opposed to forgetting)... amerciti001 Jul 2012 #74

Will you be providing relocation to places like Canada and the United Kingdom as well? TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #82

Hmm, gee, then what was I doing in 2010? 2008? 2006? 2004? 2002? 2000? DRoseDARs Jul 2012 #76

Dem leadership needs to take some cues warrprayer Jul 2012 #77

"Quit shitting the bed!" Greybnk48 Jul 2012 #79

You do realize that Cole is talking about *both* sides, right? Fumesucker Jul 2012 #80

No, I didn't know that. Greybnk48 Jul 2012 #87

Almost all Republicans are authoritarians these days.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #104

I hate warrprayer Jul 2012 #92

Huge K&R! Bobbie Jo Jul 2012 #81

Damn! arthritisR_US Jul 2012 #88

another example of someone unclear of what a DISCUSSION board is yurbud Jul 2012 #90

I don't think you're reading the polling zipplewrath Jul 2012 #91

your last paragraph applies far, far more to Dem elected officials and party functionaries than us yurbud Jul 2012 #93

The author doesn't seem to have much experience (or knack!) for public speaking... Romulox Jul 2012 #99

PS: LOL at ANOTHER "ex" Republican trying to boss us around and kill dissent! Romulox Jul 2012 #100

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Thank you. Ship of Fools Jul 2012 #129

A win that is not a win... dtom67 Jul 2012 #109

For once, understand that it doesn't matter if it's the good cop or the bad cop that jails you. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #110

Well said! silverweb Jul 2012 #126

Good advice, but won't happen kctim Jul 2012 #128