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23. Straw man. I'm talking about double standards

Tue Apr 11, 2017, 08:21 AM

Apr 2017

on perfection.

Even a single vote against an admitted symbolic amendment on drug pricing that Bernie has deemed necessary is enough to get Corey Booker castigated as being "a corporate shill."

If Bernie deems they are worthy, then anything seems to be forgiven, and they are deemed to have "evolved" rather than be held to their votes.

This isn't about Northam per se: it's about Bernie believing He is the one who decides what is and is not forgivable, or tolerable. When he says "What Booker and John Lewis get RIGHT is....." instead of "I agree with them on these issues..."

Bernie doesn't apply these exacting standards to himself because he believes that anything he supports at any given time is the only correct way to see things.

The results of his endorsements - his actual endorsements - aren't very good, looking at November and the recent California special elections. So this may be a moot point.

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Bernie Sanders Says He's Willing To Campaign For Montana Populist Rob Quist [View all] Donkees Apr 2017 OP

Compete anywhere and everywhere democrank Apr 2017 #1

We may be seeing a pattern here...Ossoff in Georgia, O'Rourke in Texas and here in Montana, Quist.. Tikki Apr 2017 #2

If he wants to help anybody - the KANSAS candidate needs it! calimary Apr 2017 #4

Discussed it here recently ... Donkees Apr 2017 #11

Why is Dem party not focusing there? Alice11111 Apr 2017 #79

I love that Bernie is coming back to Montana. Delmette2.0 Apr 2017 #6

Leave No Possible Seat Unturned.... LovingA2andMI Apr 2017 #3

Bernie won the Democratic Primary in Montana. Delmette2.0 Apr 2017 #7

His pick for VA governor has a bad record on choice. ehrnst Apr 2017 #5

okay, his vote was unacceptable, his excuse for it is lame. But he has come around on this issue JCanete Apr 2017 #8

I don't recall Hillary getting that kind of understanding from Bernie ehrnst Apr 2017 #10

Clinton has a far more complicated history that we are all aware of, not to mention a different way JCanete Apr 2017 #13

Parsing/evolving - If she did it, it was bad. ehrnst Apr 2017 #16

When women or gays get thrown under the bus I agree, where that is happening. JCanete Apr 2017 #19

Sanders has been saying Democrats are "hung up on abortion and gay marriage" for years ehrnst Apr 2017 #28

yup, and that sums it up right there. JHan Apr 2017 #51

We call it pointing out double standards. Others call it "smearing." (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #57

sure, double standards are a problem, but I hardly see it here. People want to be like JCanete Apr 2017 #74

Well, "Endorsing her" is a strong phrase ehrnst Apr 2017 #75

He campaigned for her, and even with her. Do you think he will do even more for Pariello? JCanete Apr 2017 #76

If recent CA elections are any indication ehrnst Apr 2017 #78

Okay, I don't know what to do with that. This is in the realm of personal impressions clearly, and JCanete Apr 2017 #80

He's not in this race, so yes, he might not have any ehrnst Apr 2017 #82

you were making a double-standard claim. Is the double standard that he didn't run against Pariello JCanete Apr 2017 #83

Will he do more than say that Perriello is "preferable to Gillespie" ehrnst Apr 2017 #81

that was Booker's recent vote and Sander's own proposal. And since then it sounds like everybody is JCanete Apr 2017 #73

Our recollections on what happened after the primary diverge somewhat ehrnst Apr 2017 #77

whatever you do, do not call him an opportunist Skittles Apr 2017 #96

His opponent Ralph Northam voted for George Bush not once but twice. PatsFan87 Apr 2017 #14

I guess "perfect" is all about who approves of the "imperfections" ehrnst Apr 2017 #17

So you think voting for Bush twice is pro-women, pro-gay, pro-gun safety? PatsFan87 Apr 2017 #20

Straw man. I'm talking about double standards ehrnst Apr 2017 #23

Ironic accusing others of strawmen Kentonio Apr 2017 #25

Again, you ignore that I said this isn't about Northam ehrnst Apr 2017 #26

Clear but not in the slightest bit true. Kentonio Apr 2017 #27

No, I'm describing a Bernie that has stated these things in interviews ehrnst Apr 2017 #29

I opened the first link and it was a 15 minute video Kentonio Apr 2017 #30

Start at 9:00 ehrnst Apr 2017 #32

So that's the opposite of what you said then, no? Kentonio Apr 2017 #33

No - he's not willing to work outside of HIS particular parameters. ehrnst Apr 2017 #34

That's a really strange article. Kentonio Apr 2017 #36

I think that the lack of endorsements from peers says an awful lot about political skill. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #37

As for endorsements.. Kentonio Apr 2017 #40

Because if you're hiring someone for a job, and none of their co-workers will give them a ehrnst Apr 2017 #41

No, simply that Washington tends to be quite a close knit club Kentonio Apr 2017 #44

Yes, the Trump voters felt the same way. ehrnst Apr 2017 #46

I'm still waiting to see the insiders manage it, let alone the outsiders. Kentonio Apr 2017 #48

An 'outsider' like a 25+ year career politician? (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #55

Actually, Vermont is a rural very white, and now very lefty, and still small population. ehrnst Apr 2017 #38

Burlington wasn't 'very lefty' when it started electing him. Kentonio Apr 2017 #39

A tiny rural white population would of course be supportive of Bernie. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #42

You should really read up on his early mayoral campaigns. Kentonio Apr 2017 #45

That's going back a few years. Before he became a long-time career politician even. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #47

True. It took the time to see it working in practice to change peoples minds. Kentonio Apr 2017 #50

So much so that even his fellow Senator and Governor of Vermont ehrnst Apr 2017 #52

True, he did lose the governors race to a woman ehrnst Apr 2017 #53

Frankly if you're going to throw smears at him, then I have no interest in continuing to talk. Kentonio Apr 2017 #54

Pointing out some of the holes in your description and stating some facts about his career ehrnst Apr 2017 #56

No, you went from having a decent conversation to throwing a cheap smear. Kentonio Apr 2017 #58

That's a lot of projection there. ehrnst Apr 2017 #59

Ah, so you're actually just looking to refight the primary. Kentonio Apr 2017 #60

No. I'm simply pointing out where you yourself have done what you accuse me of ehrnst Apr 2017 #61

Ah I see. Kentonio Apr 2017 #62

Oh dear. ehrnst Apr 2017 #63

You seem quite obsessed with continuing these pointless attacks Kentonio Apr 2017 #64

Yet you keep returning. ehrnst Apr 2017 #65

Why did you put 'loathe' in quotes? Kentonio Apr 2017 #66

3..2...1.. And yer back! ehrnst Apr 2017 #67

When you post fake quotes, then yes you are likely to get me to repudiate them. Kentonio Apr 2017 #68

Ah, the "be an adult" passive aggressive jab. Nice choice. ehrnst Apr 2017 #69

You do seem stuck on this idea of trying to drive me away to another site. Kentonio Apr 2017 #71

Isn't that civilized? ehrnst Apr 2017 #72

There are some red pockets in Vermont. PotatoChip Apr 2017 #84

So Bernie says. ehrnst Apr 2017 #85

Very popular, dynamic grass roots candidate. Hope Sanders does some big rallies there with him. stuffmatters Apr 2017 #9

He didn't draw the voters for his candidates in California. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #49

Agree to disagree stuffmatters Apr 2017 #86

I'm referring to 2017 runoff/special elections ehrnst Apr 2017 #87

Fighting the Repubs as hard as we can ALL together is what's needed now. stuffmatters Apr 2017 #88

I understand that. I was simply responding to your claim ehrnst Apr 2017 #89

I recommend you read Charles Pierce today on Ks election results last night.. stuffmatters Apr 2017 #93

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I just want him to make a statement that he's not running in 2020. SaschaHM Apr 2017 #15

He's not known for graceful exits, even when it's clear things are not going to happen. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #18

bunch of BS! If he wanted to divide the party he would have run as Independent in General Election! Sunlei Apr 2017 #22

To be a disruptor, one must be in the middle of what one wishes to disrupt. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #24

Hope Sanders can make a difference. Rs will pile in lots of time & money to keep the spot Repub. Sunlei Apr 2017 #21

Then again Sanders campaigned hard for Feingold, who lost WI worse than Clinton did Recursion Apr 2017 #31

Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #43

He campaigned hard for Hillary, too Nevernose Apr 2017 #70

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #90

Great! 👍 nt ecstatic Apr 2017 #35

Did Bernie go to Kansas? nikibatts Apr 2017 #91

Quist Campaign Fundraising Tops $1.3 Million Donkees Apr 2017 #92

Bernie's a popular (populist) guy. He helps Democrats win. jalan48 Apr 2017 #94

Resist! Insist on Quist! Donkees Apr 2017 #95