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ProfessorPlum

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65. no, you are not being objective

Tue Apr 11, 2017, 11:25 AM

Apr 2017

You apparently think that if someone claims to be a doctor, and they aren't actually a doctor, it justifies manhandling them and dragging them off.

"Again, how should the police react when a passenger refuses an order to leave? "

This is the fascist/police state's main question. I mean, we order someone to do something, and they don't comply, well, what are we supposed to do? Lay hands on them immediately, obviously and wrench and pull them, suppress and sedate them, taser and club them, bash them and beat them . . . ..

THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION IS . . . TALK!!!! Talk talk talk, talk till you are blue in the face, maintain a dialog, keep talking, talk until some kind of understanding happens. Talk until an agreement can be reached. Talk. Talk. TALK.

THAT is what police officers or security officers or anyone else SHOULD DO if someone doesn't "comply" with their "orders". Unless someone is in immediate physical danger, you talk. Maybe in the end they will do what you want. Maybe you will find some other solution to the issue together. Laying hands on another person should be the ABSOLUTE LAST RESORT, and never done out of convenience or impatience. People's bodily integrity needs to be RESPECTED and MAINTAINED.

I know you won't understand this.

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Story about 69 year old Dr. David Dao; the man United dragged off the plane [View all] OKNancy Apr 2017 OP

All American family exboyfil Apr 2017 #1

Yeah, that was a bad decision for United. Zing Zing Zingbah Apr 2017 #13

Well maybe cagefreesoylentgreen Apr 2017 #70

Such a horrific way to treat any human being Justice Apr 2017 #2

Yeah, he could have been afraid he was about to be deported. randome Apr 2017 #3

"How do we know he's a real doctor" BannonsLiver Apr 2017 #22

Not at all. It was a legitimate question. randome Apr 2017 #27

Really? atreides1 Apr 2017 #32

One who might state his dilemma rather than scream and fight the police. randome Apr 2017 #37

Okay Judgey Judgerton... You are right you don't know ... LakeArenal Apr 2017 #50

His immigration status and past conviction may have made him a little jumpy around the police. randome Apr 2017 #52

Now you are speculating... LakeArenal Apr 2017 #53

That's most of what we do on DU. randome Apr 2017 #55

Speak for yourself speculator... LakeArenal Apr 2017 #58

Some people will ALWAYS defend Wall Street and so on. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #102

Isn't that the truth. (nt) bekkilyn Apr 2017 #105

What past conviction? cannabis_flower Apr 2017 #59

He was convicted of selling painkillers. Had his license revoked but re-acquired. randome Apr 2017 #63

What kind of police HelenWheels Apr 2017 #67

Yeah, I'm confused about whether they were police or security guards. randome Apr 2017 #71

Apparently they were security guards. nt No Vested Interest Apr 2017 #189

Hired by UA. In the same way DAPL corp. hired security officers BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2017 #208

He paid for his flight JonLP24 Apr 2017 #249

Yes, he paid for a flight, not for a specific seat on a specific plane. randome Apr 2017 #250

Both parties are responsible -- United and the Chicago PD. JonLP24 Apr 2017 #251

No company operates without limits on compensation of some sort. randome Apr 2017 #252

I'll let the lawsuit sort all this out JonLP24 Apr 2017 #253

I have no doubt that's true. randome Apr 2017 #254

That was subsequently discovered to be liberalhistorian Apr 2017 #259

The doctor's identity is irrelevant. And, in fact, it's been 'proven' that the first ID was correct. randome Apr 2017 #265

No, United shares equal blame. liberalhistorian Apr 2017 #266

Wrong guy, randome lillypaddle Apr 2017 #234

Nice find! BlueMTexpat Apr 2017 #237

Hey, you're welcome lillypaddle Apr 2017 #242

Exactly. Makes you wonder what other forms of "classification" are going on. BannonsLiver Apr 2017 #122

I'm drifting with you BannonsLiver.. LakeArenal Apr 2017 #165

Righhhht BannonsLiver Apr 2017 #41

Well, he certainly is NOT a "typical doctor." cwydro Apr 2017 #49

Clearly the airline handled this terribly janterry Apr 2017 #56

They let him back on and he was presumably going/running (didn't see that part) back to his seat. PotatoChip Apr 2017 #170

Someone seated near him on plane said his head hit the floor and he was out for a bit womanofthehills Apr 2017 #195

And that's relevant to being dragged off a plane by goons how? BannonsLiver Apr 2017 #123

I'be been working in healthcare for thirty years. Laffy Kat Apr 2017 #186

And it was pretty evil that those "not so pretty facts" are being used pnwmom Apr 2017 #213

It was a shitty question ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #57

I'm simply trying to be objective. randome Apr 2017 #60

no, you are not being objective ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #65

No, the implication from the start is that if the man is a doctor, he is more deserving of respect. randome Apr 2017 #77

MAYBE they should have offered $100 more, or $200 more, or $300 more ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #83

But they did keep offering more, until they reached the maximum they had to offer. randome Apr 2017 #91

They offered *vouchers* not *money* bekkilyn Apr 2017 #93

The vouchers are pretty worthless. Most people have experienced that. Alice11111 Apr 2017 #228

Exactly, which is why no one wanted them. (nt) bekkilyn Apr 2017 #244

"the maximum they had to offer" a self-imposed maximum ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #95

Nazis? Nah, they would have pumped the whole plane full of zyclon b. LOL Lib Apr 2017 #109

The company-imposed limit is the _Company's_ problem JHB Apr 2017 #185

THIS! nt tblue37 Apr 2017 #216

Perfectly stated. MrPurple Apr 2017 #225

No they did not do "everything they could" bekkilyn Apr 2017 #90

I'm pointing out that if the scheduling situation was as dire as some have said... randome Apr 2017 #96

DON'T RESIST CITIZEN. OBEY. OBEY YOUR CORPORATE MASTERS ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #98

If someone is grabbing and threatening me with physical violence bekkilyn Apr 2017 #103

We don't know what occurred before the video. randome Apr 2017 #116

There was no good reason for him to have been required to leave in the first place bekkilyn Apr 2017 #125

That sounds reasonable. But maybe there were no alternatives. randome Apr 2017 #129

He probably refused and then security was called LeftInTX Apr 2017 #140

+1 dalton99a Apr 2017 #182

There are plenty of alternatives, but they just didn't try. (nt) bekkilyn Apr 2017 #150

It's bribery the minute they offer it BannonsLiver Apr 2017 #215

Bingo BadgerMom Apr 2017 #145

apparently they randomly selected his name. bdamomma Apr 2017 #161

This girl was "asked politely" to leave the classroom--first by the teacher, tblue37 Apr 2017 #167

But we don't know how much the police tried to talk Dr. Dao out of the plane. randome Apr 2017 #169

"To point out that people should meekly and compliantly agree to be brutalized is ridiculous" EX500rider Apr 2017 #183

Which means it would never have gotten straightened out bekkilyn Apr 2017 #191

and if he had a condition that might cause him to be easily frightened or disoriented? delisen Apr 2017 #172

A plane full of passengers is 'special'. Confining space. Nowhere to go. randome Apr 2017 #174

What United should have done was take responsibility for their own ineptitude bekkilyn Apr 2017 #192

It has occurred to me that someone his age growing up in Viet Nam is likely to have experienced Tanuki Apr 2017 #179

Agree. Plus too many police seem to be trained to bark orders at people delisen Apr 2017 #190

Which is why we see him in the later video pleading, "Don't kill me!" nt tblue37 Apr 2017 #217

They could have driven them there. It was only four hours away! LisaM Apr 2017 #202

Only typical doctors you mean. tazkcmo Apr 2017 #257

Yes. randome Apr 2017 #258

So if I were to be trespassing in your house, you'd mythology Apr 2017 #80

TALKING is what responsible grownups do ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #85

If the police then beat him up instead, is it your fault? jberryhill Apr 2017 #226

The man wasn't trespassing bekkilyn Apr 2017 #97

Find another means of getting the crew to Louisville BadgerMom Apr 2017 #142

The plane ended up being delayed two hours anyway--and part of the delay was because they had to tblue37 Apr 2017 #218

Thank you, Professor Plum, very good answer. Alice11111 Apr 2017 #227

Why should doctors be treated differently? Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #72

There is no evidence of tasering, despite some DUers pushing that possibility. randome Apr 2017 #82

I read it somewhere and I still wonder why you are so determined to blame the victim... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #112

I'm not blaming the victim. randome Apr 2017 #121

If a passenger were ordered to undress and do jumping jacks, must he comply? pnwmom Apr 2017 #214

That "flailing about", as you describe it, was most likely from being tazed and rendered unconscious brush Apr 2017 #66

I seriously doubt he was tazed. There is nothing that supports that possibility. randome Apr 2017 #84

Guess you've never seen videos of people being tazed. There is yelling. And how do you account for.. brush Apr 2017 #89

In the video, you see him hit his head against the opposing row of seats. randome Apr 2017 #94

I watched several videos and didn't see him hit his head. Why are you defending this horrific... brush Apr 2017 #138

I'm not defending anything. I'm saying he hit his head on the opposing row of seats. randome Apr 2017 #163

He did hit his face on the armrest. That is why he was bloodied. nt tblue37 Apr 2017 #219

He hit his face or the rough manhandling led to his face hitting the arm rest? brush Apr 2017 #221

That, I am sure--he was yanked around rather fiercely, so I imagine they hit his face tblue37 Apr 2017 #222

Here you go again ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #99

Oh, come on! Don't get a post hidden on my account! I'm not -as I'm sure you'd agree- worth it! randome Apr 2017 #111

"And pls. note everyone. They picked a POC to do that to." tarheelsunc Apr 2017 #209

He was tased from what I heard ...and I would have been furious... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #69

I feel confident in saying he wasn't tased. randome Apr 2017 #87

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #100

I'm not at all saying that. Geeze, get over yourself. randome Apr 2017 #108

man, come on d_r Apr 2017 #124

I feel blaming the victim is inappropriate...and too bad for United. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #110

How would one forcefully remove a passenger without the use of force? randome Apr 2017 #113

I find it disturbing that this discussion has gone as MontanaMama Apr 2017 #184

You can debate this until the cows come home Heartstrings Apr 2017 #196

I've wondered if s/he is arguing just for the sake of arguing bekkilyn Apr 2017 #203

Absolutely. warmfeet Apr 2017 #205

+1! eom BlueMTexpat Apr 2017 #239

One should not forcibly remove a passenger period so there was no need for any sort of force... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #207

Check upthread. BlueMTexpat Apr 2017 #238

Slander as well as assault. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #241

Please check upthread. BlueMTexpat Apr 2017 #236

aaaaaand. . . . right on schedule. niyad Apr 2017 #139

Frankly I don't think any mature adult would act like he did, Dr or not. EX500rider Apr 2017 #180

He screamed when thecthree goons attacked him. He may have been tased. yardwork Apr 2017 #194

He was not tased. No one on the plane said he was. randome Apr 2017 #197

Were you there? yardwork Apr 2017 #198

Someone on the plane would have said it. randome Apr 2017 #201

got a link? tazkcmo Apr 2017 #255

Entirely my opinion. I would not expect a professional man/woman to react w shouting & flailing. randome Apr 2017 #256

Who cares what YOU would expect? tazkcmo Apr 2017 #260

first news source to actually do their job and identify the man and confirm he is a physician. hlthe2b Apr 2017 #4

Ya know, I read the DM...daily. I have yet to see why it's called a "rag." I read more news there WinkyDink Apr 2017 #7

Well, they certainly seem to work at getting the story--rather than waiting to be spoon-fed the hlthe2b Apr 2017 #9

It's a rag because it runs scare stories about immigrants, and obsesses about female bodies muriel_volestrangler Apr 2017 #28

"Scare stories" or lies? There's a difference. And you are SERIOUSLY GOING BACK TO THE 30'S?! WinkyDink Apr 2017 #220

Scare stories AND lies. Yes, it does goes back to the thirties. It's been a rag for over 80 years muriel_volestrangler Apr 2017 #232

When it's competitor is "The Sun" (Murdoch rag)... mwooldri Apr 2017 #81

And soon to be the new owner of United Airlines madokie Apr 2017 #5

Not a chance FBaggins Apr 2017 #48

The United employees are liberalhistorian Apr 2017 #267

Thanks, but we don't need to know his past. Nobody deserved that assault and battery. WinkyDink Apr 2017 #6

Very true. And we must continue to keep this in mind when the Tanuki Apr 2017 #11

WHAT blemishes in his professional history? I didn't read anything of the kind? hlthe2b Apr 2017 #16

I am not trying to offend you or slander Dr. Dao. Tanuki Apr 2017 #19

I had seen none of this but agree with you that this is immaterial to hlthe2b Apr 2017 #31

So the smear campaign begins already. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #76

That case might involve some level of racist harassment too. hunter Apr 2017 #101

What if it had been Mitch McConnell? LeftInTX Apr 2017 #143

So what? athena Apr 2017 #118

excellent post! nt steve2470 Apr 2017 #132

+1000. byronius Apr 2017 #188

Yes! This! Lack of empathy, a chronic illness in our country... nt Heartstrings Apr 2017 #206

Do you work for United? Stop blaming the victim...don't care Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #75

They're not blaming the victim. athena Apr 2017 #120

No. It is important to get out there to fight the attempt to villainize him and destroy his rep hlthe2b Apr 2017 #14

limbaugh asked why didn't they just offer him a pepsi? certainot Apr 2017 #30

I've seen that Pepsi thing a few times christx30 Apr 2017 #106

limbaugh is making fun of the whole thing with a 'political correctness' reference certainot Apr 2017 #160

People I've seen it have been crapping on christx30 Apr 2017 #171

"PC" really means "Prejudice cover-up" sharedvalues Apr 2017 #223

here's one definition certainot Apr 2017 #224

I don't care itcfish Apr 2017 #8

I read that a random computer pick occurred tavernier Apr 2017 #10

Nope, he felt that it was racism and misandry HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #38

Totally agree. Respect for the man and what he's accomplished, but his being a doctor doesn't Fla Dem Apr 2017 #25

The claims for the amount of compensation vary from story to story csziggy Apr 2017 #12

Would have been cheaper for them to have offered 2 free first class tickets n2doc Apr 2017 #26

They could have hired a car and driver to drive their crew to Louisville csziggy Apr 2017 #35

Some DUers in the know say that doesn't work according to FAA regulations. randome Apr 2017 #39

As I said in my message,that might have been a consideration csziggy Apr 2017 #42

They could definitely be more forthcoming about the reason this became such a problem. randome Apr 2017 #45

They could have negotiated with a competitor to fly the crew hlthe2b Apr 2017 #43

Maybe they tried. If the entire region was screwed up, maybe there were no alternatives. randome Apr 2017 #46

Then hire a private service or join Netjet BadgerMom Apr 2017 #51

This... PoiBoy Apr 2017 #127

O'Hare's close to Palwaukee airport where I'm sure they could charter a nice small corp jet. Gidney N Cloyd Apr 2017 #147

I heard the flight they were repositioning for was next day. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2017 #64

I hadn't heard that. Definitely no logic to forcing passengers off if that's the case. randome Apr 2017 #92

Billions, w the boycott.TheChinese are boycotting too.Today alone was1/2 million just in stock loses Alice11111 Apr 2017 #230

Without a compelling excuse? cannabis_flower Apr 2017 #61

It depends on the job - for a doctor it could be a major problem csziggy Apr 2017 #168

I was actually thinking of the others on the plane.. cannabis_flower Apr 2017 #181

Of course we don't know how many passengers were already behind schedule csziggy Apr 2017 #187

He definitely looks dangerous in that pic Orrex Apr 2017 #15

Why I don't fly DownriverDem Apr 2017 #17

I quit flying in 1990 when the passengers were treated like cattle csziggy Apr 2017 #40

UA seems to have some serious problems Phoenix61 Apr 2017 #18

Weather canceled and delayed thousands of flights in the region. It was a scheduling mess. randome Apr 2017 #20

Thanks, I didn't know that Phoenix61 Apr 2017 #23

They also kill pets -- see my post below (and it's all over YouTube and Twitter) anneboleyn Apr 2017 #164

I appreciate you sharing that information. Morning Joe were on dae Apr 2017 #21

agreed NewJeffCT Apr 2017 #33

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2017 #54

69 years old & treated like that . Shame on them! luvMIdog Apr 2017 #24

Immigrants coming here and stealing our doctor jobs IronLionZion Apr 2017 #29

He was most likely tazed, and knocked unconscious. He was out cold when being dragged out with... brush Apr 2017 #86

I hope he sues the pants off of them TNLib Apr 2017 #34

When will the violence by Americans against the Vietnamese end? HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #36

We're just missing the Jackboots! SCVDem Apr 2017 #44

United needs employee training! Lonestarblue Apr 2017 #47

DING DING DING! Lonestarblue, you're our grand prize winner! rocktivity Apr 2017 #79

They are allowed to offer as high an amount as they like. athena Apr 2017 #146

The CEO's response reiterates this attitude. It is a shitty company. Top to bottom. AgadorSparticus Apr 2017 #175

Thanks for the lovely picture, OKNancy. elleng Apr 2017 #62

I will repeat what I said on another thread on the same subject.... Heartstrings Apr 2017 #68

Let's not ask Judge SCVDem Apr 2017 #73

+1 to you here, too (nt) bekkilyn Apr 2017 #78

Thanks good to see you bekkilyn! Heartstrings Apr 2017 #104

heres what i dont understand rdking647 Apr 2017 #74

I hope he sues the living daylights out of United. C Moon Apr 2017 #88

I hope all those DUers who accused him of lying about being a doctor apologize publicly. athena Apr 2017 #107

+1 nt steve2470 Apr 2017 #114

Amen get the red out Apr 2017 #134

I suggest that you not hold your breath waiting for that apology. there is a certain mindset niyad Apr 2017 #144

I can't even imagine athena Apr 2017 #149

it is better not to imgaine such disgusting things. niyad Apr 2017 #152

LOL. You're right. athena Apr 2017 #153

+1,000 I don't recognize this place these days malaise Apr 2017 #204

some days it is a puzzlement niyad Apr 2017 #246

NY Daily News writing about his previous run ins with the law... I'm NoMoreRepugs Apr 2017 #115

totally agree steve2470 Apr 2017 #130

My daughter may contact him . . . OldRedneck Apr 2017 #117

Woot! get the red out Apr 2017 #135

Let's ignore, for the moment, the wisdom.... LAS14 Apr 2017 #119

here's the thing to me. d_r Apr 2017 #128

Good point. No attempt to de-escalate the situation. nt LAS14 Apr 2017 #141

Please stop it with the "inappropriate reaction". The man was a 69 year old Vietnamese immigrant. haele Apr 2017 #154

I'm with you. Lifelong Protester Apr 2017 #158

Well thats fine d_r Apr 2017 #166

To begin with... Zambero Apr 2017 #131

It's an abuse of the system. athena Apr 2017 #137

Exactly.I am so fucking sick of the corporate shills -- United has also killed a bunch of pets anneboleyn Apr 2017 #162

Really, they should just up the compensation offers until someone accepts. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #177

An excellent solution Zambero Apr 2017 #245

WHAT LEGAL order??? why were the police even there in the first place? WHAT LeGAL ORDER niyad Apr 2017 #148

The one thing overlooked about this tikka Apr 2017 #126

And yet they still get the money for those no-shows. (nt) bekkilyn Apr 2017 #133

STOP THE STEREOTYPING onetexan Apr 2017 #136

did they treat a non-minority this way? niyad Apr 2017 #151

Did a non-minority refuse to vacate the seat when asked? eom tarheelsunc Apr 2017 #210

did they DEMAND that a non-minority give up a legally purchased and occupied seat? niyad Apr 2017 #247

I am not defending ANYTHING. tarheelsunc Apr 2017 #261

you do not KNOW that a white person would have received the same disgusting treatment niyad Apr 2017 #262

And you do not KNOW that they wouldn't have. eom tarheelsunc Apr 2017 #263

perhaps not, but we can sure make a good guess. niyad Apr 2017 #264

Lol! Squinch Apr 2017 #178

The doc said that it was because he was a Chinese man HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #231

Don't feed the trolls, guys. n/t Stand and Fight Apr 2017 #155

Thanks for this post! I have blocked three posters now who have been posting unbelievable, hostile anneboleyn Apr 2017 #156

I must have put at least twenty people on ignore since yesterday. athena Apr 2017 #159

a well bred family of drs. bdamomma Apr 2017 #157

Corporations are not all alike. United is seeming like one go the bad ones. delisen Apr 2017 #173

I had heard he started screaming when he was tazed .......... unconfirmed Angry Dragon Apr 2017 #176

I wondered my self about that duncang Apr 2017 #199

interesting, thanks Fast Walker 52 Apr 2017 #212

He's 69 years old? They beat up a senior citizen? McCamy Taylor Apr 2017 #193

yes they did onetexan Apr 2017 #233

This is a microcosm of how "free enterprise" ... Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2017 #200

this post was so much better than I feared it would be Fast Walker 52 Apr 2017 #211

I think the fact that he is from Vietnam may have something to do with the obvious fear HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #229

Certainly they could have found at least BlueMTexpat Apr 2017 #235

While there is no confusion about Dr. Dao's being a doctor, BlueMTexpat Apr 2017 #240

Wow people get angry because facts are reported HopeAgain Apr 2017 #243

They probably thought he was Chinese JonLP24 Apr 2017 #248