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eniwetok

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81. you seem determined to ignore the defects in the system

Tue Apr 11, 2017, 01:56 PM

Apr 2017

There are any number of factors in play in an election... but if someone WINS the popular vote, and it's OVERTURNED by an antidemocratic abomination called the EC which gives a voter in WY a 4x bigger vote than a voter in CA... or in 2016 55k Trump voters a bigger vote than nearly 3 million HRC voters... THEN THAT IS THE REASON GORE AND HRC LOST.

As for Nader... AGAIN this is a defect in the system. Are you denying that we all should have the right to vote our conscience... that all we must do is revolve our vote around the defects in the system?

So aside from trying to get the Dems to abolish the EC... or change the amendment formula to permit it... a simple solution is moving to Instant Runoff Voting. So those Nader voters in FL could pick Nader as their first choice and if he did not win... voters would pick a second choice and no doubt 95% would have said Gore.

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The Nation article: we must transform the dem. Party [View all] rainy Apr 2017 OP

We just need to rename it Jonny Appleseed Apr 2017 #1

But these corporations are anti-democracy by their nature. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #2

Those wolves are wolves that weren't raised in the wild. Jonny Appleseed Apr 2017 #16

That's a meaningless concept... brooklynite Apr 2017 #66

"because 40% of the people want on" Jonny Appleseed Apr 2017 #68

yes, it's time to make changes. WhiteTara Apr 2017 #3

No it is no...we have no power at all ... we need to win elections and overturn Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #58

I didn't say I wasn't going to vote WhiteTara Apr 2017 #67

You need money to win elections these days... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #72

Like I said, it's their turn. WhiteTara Apr 2017 #73

Right. Which, as long as Citizens United is in effect will guarantee that we lose every election, Squinch Apr 2017 #4

It's been done Doremus Apr 2017 #23

Yep. It can be done. TDale313 Apr 2017 #34

Since Citizens United, it never has been done, so what makes you think so? Squinch Apr 2017 #45

Maybe during presidential years but not off year elections. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #59

Yep,maybe next time Go Vols Apr 2017 #83

That's an issue of the candidate, not the money. If we require that our candidates don't take Squinch Apr 2017 #44

Flaunting our purity is exactly what we need to do. Doremus Apr 2017 #50

No one cares about purity...jobs yes ...health care yes...purity no. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #61

Did you notice the election we just had? Squinch Apr 2017 #77

Bullshit...no one outside of those who are uber critical of the Democratic Party ... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #57

You're agreeing with me. Squinch Apr 2017 #78

Sorry must have been to a different poster...but I am glad we agree...great minds think alike? Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #91

+1000 brer cat Apr 2017 #93

If this was a post, it'd get alerted zipplewrath Apr 2017 #5

if true that would be both stupid and counterproductive eniwetok Apr 2017 #7

If the Nation keeps coming after the Democratic Party Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #62

Can't disagree more. KPN Apr 2017 #71

I wonder what side the Nation is on...They are helping Trump and hurting our chances to save the Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #92

How so? I don't see it. KPN Apr 2017 #95

Attacking the party as unworthy ...makes people less likely to vote and/or Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #96

Well, I can't argue that attacking the Party as unworthy prior to the election could KPN Apr 2017 #98

Why do you want to sow discord and discontent? Cary Apr 2017 #6

why are you? eniwetok Apr 2017 #10

What does that even mean? synergie Apr 2017 #24

"The party is corporate" is something that has been repeated over and over online. Hmmmmm.... Squinch Apr 2017 #46

No it doesn't...this article discourages people from voting for Democrats... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #63

here's where I disagree with the article eniwetok Apr 2017 #8

The Nation helped Trump win. athena Apr 2017 #28

utter bullcrap eniwetok Apr 2017 #29

Good luck moving the Democratic Party left after a loss like this. athena Apr 2017 #30

I have no idea what you're talking about. eniwetok Apr 2017 #33

Oh yes, the wonderful years after W won during which the Democratic Party moved left! athena Apr 2017 #60

you seem determined to ignore the defects in the system eniwetok Apr 2017 #81

Yes they did...I cancelled my subscription and never read that rag anymore. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #65

They do well under a Republican presidency. athena Apr 2017 #69

It is true...I subscribed to Washington Post, Mother Jones, New York Times and Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #70

How 'bout sticking *with* the Democratic party? UTUSN Apr 2017 #9

Are you going to criticize Bill Clinton for trying to change the party? eniwetok Apr 2017 #12

+1 ronnie624 Apr 2017 #15

But if the Dem Party is to mean anything it should be... eniwetok Apr 2017 #20

What is this corporate path you speak of, and can one see it synergie Apr 2017 #25

I didn't think this was some state secret... eniwetok Apr 2017 #32

Apparently it is. synergie Apr 2017 #42

Unaware? Really? KPN Apr 2017 #74

Indeed, mine is based in reality, not wishful thinking and revionistic history. synergie Apr 2017 #94

Huh? Gerrymandering? KPN Apr 2017 #97

the problem is your blanket assumption that a push from this direction is all empty sloganeering. JCanete Apr 2017 #84

There is no comparrison between the far left and the tea party. JCanete Apr 2017 #36

You might want to tell that to the folks who are branding themselves this way. synergie Apr 2017 #39

I think the show is worth-while. I've heard them say we need to get that kind of JCanete Apr 2017 #41

Exactly. Instead of relentlessly attacking it, for a change. athena Apr 2017 #31

I think we need to keep Russia out our elections FrenchieCat Apr 2017 #11

+1. This right here. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2017 #13

You're not going to "undo" anything ronnie624 Apr 2017 #14

We're going to have to start addressing the small fraction of the electorate synergie Apr 2017 #40

An event can have more than one cause. Jim Lane Apr 2017 #17

Russian interference would mean NOTHING if not for the fact.... eniwetok Apr 2017 #21

So eschewing large donations is your means to changing that? Kay... Squinch Apr 2017 #47

apples and organges eniwetok Apr 2017 #48

WTF are you talking about? Your arguments are nothing but a gish gallop of Squinch Apr 2017 #76

That's YOUR take eniwetok Apr 2017 #79

SMH. You have learned nothing. Have a nice day. Squinch Apr 2017 #80

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Wait you weren't convinced by all the caps, bold and punctuations? JTFrog Apr 2017 #86

No. Because I'm morally bankrupt, doncha know? Squinch Apr 2017 #87

But ... ... ... !! nt JTFrog Apr 2017 #88

1)we must end republican election fraud 2) move dems out of the cities and spread out n t msongs Apr 2017 #18

WHY should anyone move to compensate for the absurdities of an antidemocratic system???? eniwetok Apr 2017 #22

You are gonna hate what we are doing in California then. JTFrog Apr 2017 #89

30-40% of U.S. Americans are racists and fascists. Hillary Clinton ran on a progressive platform... hunter Apr 2017 #19

What a happy article! PatrickforO Apr 2017 #26

You overlook the fact that tens of millions of Americans Gman Apr 2017 #27

that is a perception that has to be undone. If we taxed right and regulated corporations right, JCanete Apr 2017 #37

And pick daisies? fleabiscuit Apr 2017 #35

After the elections in NJ JustAnotherGen Apr 2017 #38

Here's an example of what's wrong with our party's self appointed beltway strategy geniuses: Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #43

Getting rid of corporate money won't change the fact that politicians bloviate on TV SharonClark Apr 2017 #49

It's not the bloviating. It's the pre-emptive surrendering that's the problem. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #52

You're right.. JHan Apr 2017 #54

Maybe a little premature? kentuck Apr 2017 #51

Sigh. The same article that says Dems need to abandon big-dollar fundraising stopbush Apr 2017 #53

The whole idea from those who insist they are the only pure Democrats, where they Squinch Apr 2017 #90

This... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #55

Democrats need to speak for people rather than Wall Street/Silicon Valley alarimer Apr 2017 #56

And absolutely must transform the Republican Party. Orsino Apr 2017 #64

This article is now dated. The concepts have been hashed over here many times. KPN Apr 2017 #75